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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2023, 11:32:15 AM »
Quote from: Ben on February 04, 2023, 10:57:49 AM
At that point, what's the point?
Also maybe it is more likely to survive crashing into water so it can be captured?
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2023, 11:32:18 AM »
What if…
It’s a “trial balloon” (literally) for political antagonism now but also as a possible delivery system , for oh I don’t know say a deadly pandemic virus? Biochem agents? Hmmm?
We already funded the gain of function research for them. (Thank you dr face diaper)
Who knows how much further it goes beyond what we know.
I trust the Chinese only somewhat less than I trust our own government.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2023, 11:34:31 AM »
Quote from: cordex on February 04, 2023, 11:32:15 AM
Also maybe it is more likely to survive crashing into water so it can be captured?

Capture won't happen. I guarantee that if it's military, that they have a sterilization system onboard that they can activate remotely and through something like an altimeter trigger as a backup. By the time it hits the surface, even gently, it will be an inert hunk of plastic and metal.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2023, 11:48:38 AM »
Quote from: Ben on February 04, 2023, 11:34:31 AM
Capture won't happen. I guarantee that if it's military, that they have a sterilization system onboard that they can activate remotely and through something like an altimeter trigger as a backup. By the time it hits the surface, even gently, it will be an inert hunk of plastic and metal.
Yeah, probably. Unless it is an explosive system, though there is likely to be some value in examining it. If only to see what kinds of sensors it has.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2023, 11:52:40 AM »
Apparently over NC now.  Folks about 40 miles north of us in Boone were supposedly posting pictures of it on Fecesbook.  If that's true, I might be able to see it from my place in Hickory if it's still around 60k feet.  I'll take a look if it warms up enough to walk the pups soon.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2023, 12:26:05 PM »
I feel dumber just reading this

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    If the balloon had anti-black history messages stenciled on it, or if it were dropping anti-trans pamphlets down to earth, or if it were broadcasting denunciations of wokeness non-stop, MAGA would be pro-balloon. They’d be welcoming the balloon. They’d be worshipping the balloon.

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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2023, 12:31:15 PM »
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2023, 12:51:26 PM »
Seeing on social media that there is a second one and it is in the 30,000 feet commercial airline altitude.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2023, 12:54:28 PM »
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Seeing on social media that there is a second one and it is in the 30,000 feet commercial airline altitude.

In the Chinese news
Evil Western barbarian airliner rams one of our peaceful weather balloons!
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2023, 12:54:35 PM »
Quote from: RocketMan on February 04, 2023, 11:52:40 AM
Apparently over NC now.  Folks about 40 miles north of us in Boone were supposedly posting pictures of it on Fecesbook.  If that's true, I might be able to see it from my place in Hickory if it's still around 60k feet.  I'll take a look if it warms up enough to walk the pups soon.

Nope, didn't see it.  Maybe too far east at this point.  Lots of cirrostratus and stratus clouds as a backdrop, so it probably wouldn't stand out well even if it was still within visual range.
And it's kind of tough to do a good scan of the sky when you are walking your dogs.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2023, 01:23:45 PM »
Pair of KC-135s and  a P-8 circling around off the coast of S.C.
Probably other mil aircraft in the area but they're not showing up on FlightRadar24
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2023, 01:26:59 PM »
I find it perversely amusing that if a gaggle of Chinese or Russian fighters or bombers were to enter U.S. airspace we would probably not hesitate to shoot down as many as possible. But a lone weather balloon is too dangerous to shoot down.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2023, 01:28:29 PM »
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South Carolina police warn residents not to shoot at suspected spy balloon
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2023, 01:29:55 PM »
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The suspected surveillance balloon is now above Charlotte, CNN affiliate shows
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #64 on: February 04, 2023, 01:36:06 PM »
KC-46 Circling around along the coast of N.C. Another KC-46 further inland.
Tells me there are a few air assets in the area that aren't showing up
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #65 on: February 04, 2023, 01:42:49 PM »
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Speaking of spying, I caught most of this video from yesterday.  He starts off showing a video of a spy drone designed to be launched and recovered from a submerged submarine.  Not new tech these days I assume. 
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #66 on: February 04, 2023, 01:45:03 PM »
Apparently everyone but the Chinese are in favor of taking it out, so Biden is considering it…
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #67 on: February 04, 2023, 01:45:59 PM »
Rumble keeps sending me emails about the latest Infowars videos.  One of the headlines mentioned the balloon is a possible EMP attack test. 
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #68 on: February 04, 2023, 01:47:36 PM »
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FAA issues ground stops for 3 airports in the Carolinas for "national security effort"

From CNN's Pete Muntean and Oren Liebermann

The Federal Aviation Administration has issued a ground stop for three airports in the Carolinas as a suspected Chinese spy balloon drifts through the area, a spokesperson confirmed in a statement.

The administration also restricted airspace near Myrtle Beach between 12:45 p.m. and 2:45 p.m. ET. for "national defense airspace.”

The affected airports are in Wilmington, North Carolina; Charleston, South Carolina; and Myrtle Beach, South Carolina.

    “The FAA has paused departures to Wilmington (ILM), Myrtle Beach International (MYR) and Charleston International (CHS) airports to support the Department of Defense in a national security effort,” according to a statement from the FAA.

The notice comes as the balloon has been spotted over various parts of the Carolinas as it drifts closer to the coast.
https://www.cnn.com/politics/live-news/suspected-chinese-balloon-over-us-02-04-23/index.html
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #69 on: February 04, 2023, 01:49:27 PM »
Xi is in China laughing his butt off watching the Biden admin.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #70 on: February 04, 2023, 01:57:16 PM »
A couple of K35R aircraft have popped up on my FlightAware receiver.  They're in the area of the airspace closures at 21k to 23k feet altitude.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #71 on: February 04, 2023, 02:36:39 PM »
Right now Charleston, Wilmington and Myrtle Beach airports are in a ground stop due to "security"

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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #72 on: February 04, 2023, 02:42:37 PM »
They should have shot it down a week ago over the Pacific. But we are ruled by incompetent dumbasses. I still don't see conformation on the second balloon I've been hearing about since yesterday.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #73 on: February 04, 2023, 03:03:32 PM »
Quote from: Jim147 on February 04, 2023, 02:42:37 PM
They should have shot it down a week ago over the Pacific. But we are ruled by incompetent dumbasses. I still don't see conformation on the second balloon I've been hearing about since yesterday.
I haven't heard anyone confirm if we knew it was there a week ago.  I figure we should have, but I don't know.
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Re: Pentagon decides not to shoot down Chinese spy balloon over US
« Reply #74 on: February 04, 2023, 03:06:17 PM »
Shot down

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/us-military-shoots-chinese-spy-balloon-atlantic-ocean

Since they didn't want to shoot it down I'd hope we at least collected any ELINT available from it.
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