Author Topic: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?  (Read 930 times)

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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #25 on: April 23, 2023, 01:12:52 PM »
Well, if you want an inexpensive 22 revolver, you might look again at the Ruger Wrangler.  As mentioned by someone above, the grip frame is zinc, but it looks like the most of the frame is aluminum; perhaps it won't have the issue with flame cutting like the Diamondback I linked too. 

(The Wrangler isn't my kind of gun, but it appears to be better thought of than the Diamondback, I haven't shot either).

The Wrangler frame is machined from cast aluminum alloy, which is both lightweight and easy to manufacture. The barrel and cylinder are made from steel, of course, but the grip frame is cast from a zinc alloy.

https://www.gunsandammo.com/editorial/ruger-wrangler-review/364125

It's unlikely that the grip frame is actually made of "zinc." It's far more likely that it's made of Zamak, and probably Zamak 3. Zamak 3 is not junk metal like what is commonly referred to as "pot metal," which has no standard formulation and which has inconsistent properties. Zamak 3 has surprisingly good physical properties.

Zamak 3:
Compressive strength:  60,000 psi
Ultimate tensile strength: 38,900 psi
Yield strength: 30,200 psi
Modulus of elasticity: 14,000,000 psi
Brinell hardness: 82 to 97 (sources vary)

4140 Steel:
Compressive strength: 60,000 psi
Ultimate tensile strength: 95,000 psi
Yield strength: 60,200 psi
Modulus of elasticity: 30,000,000 psi
Brinell hardness: 197 (sources vary)


Zinc:
Compressive strength: ??
Ultimate tensile strength: 13,150 psi
Yield strength: 10,800 psi
Modulus of elasticity: 10,208,000 psi
Brinell hardness: ??

Aluminum (6061): https://asm.matweb.com/search/SpecificMaterial.asp?bassnum=MA6061O
Compressive strength: 14,900 psi
Ultimate tensile strength: 18,000 psi
Yield strength: 8,000 psi
Modulus of elasticity: 10,000,000 psi
Brinell hardness: 30

I'm not seeing a problem with Zamak

[Edit to correct Zamak mechanical properties]
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #26 on: April 23, 2023, 01:40:42 PM »
On the Primary & Secondary podcast, they were talking about some guy that keeps a .22 LCR in each front pocket, and on each ankle.
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #27 on: April 29, 2023, 10:02:01 AM »
Ruger has a new version of the Wrangler with adjustable sights, and cylinders for both .22 LR and .22 magnum; looks like a better option:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/04/24/rimfire-report-ruger-super-wrangler/

Front sight is plastic though.   =|

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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #28 on: April 29, 2023, 11:44:52 AM »
Ruger has a new version of the Wrangler with adjustable sights, and cylinders for both .22 LR and .22 magnum; looks like a better option:

https://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2023/04/24/rimfire-report-ruger-super-wrangler/

Front sight is plastic though.   =|

MSRP $329. For comparison, I paid $350 out the door for my Super Single Six when I bought it (which was obviously a while ago).
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #29 on: April 29, 2023, 11:46:42 AM »
Yeah, I would get the single six at that price too... :lol:

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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #30 on: April 29, 2023, 04:36:28 PM »
Yeah, I would get the single six at that price too... :lol:

The Super Single Six now carries an MSRP of $799 -- more than twice what I paid for mine. If I were shopping today, I doubt I'd buy it (for current prices -- I'd certainly buy it for $350).
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #31 on: April 30, 2023, 08:41:01 PM »
I grabbed a 5.5" old model SingleSix 15 years or so ago.  Paid way more than I could afford at the time, and have no regrets.
All regret is attached to the LNIB Ruger MK2 6-7/8 GVT I traded away.  I've considered spending an unmentionable sum to replace that.

In Tuco's opinion a used Single Six or bull barreled MK2 is worth the cost of entry. And re-entry
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #32 on: April 30, 2023, 08:56:44 PM »
I have an H&R revolver with 22 and 22 mag cylinders.  It was only $200 about 10 years ago.  I don't think they make them anymore. 

The main reason I was eyeing the Diamondback revolver was just that it used a 9 or 10 shot cylinder.  Seems kind of a waste of space to have a big cylinder that only has 6 shots of 22.
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #33 on: April 30, 2023, 10:59:07 PM »
https://heritagemfg.com/revolvers/heritage-rough-rider/344-4-75-rough-rider-22-lr-22-wmr-black-standard-cocobolo
Anyone know anything about Heritage Arms?  Their revolvers are inexpensive.
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #34 on: May 01, 2023, 10:06:22 PM »
https://heritagemfg.com/revolvers/heritage-rough-rider/344-4-75-rough-rider-22-lr-22-wmr-black-standard-cocobolo
Anyone know anything about Heritage Arms?  Their revolvers are inexpensive.

They are inexpensive for a reason.

Universal gripe: they have a funky cross-hammer manual safety that looks absolutely goofy. The Lone Ranger would be ashamed to have one in his holsters.

Over on The Firing Line, there's a recent thread by a long-time member who bought one, and recently found that the barrel has come unfastened. https://thefiringline.com/forums/showthread.php?t=616620

I wouldn't buy one. The Ruger Wrangler is a much better purchase, IMHO, even though I don't really care for the Wrangler, either.
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #35 on: May 02, 2023, 09:32:11 AM »
I am sure there are quality issues for cheap revolvers like this.  To me it is like buying a high point and then complaining that the ergonomics suck.   =)  Again, mine was $200 and included the 22 mag cylinder.  I have shot it very little over the years.  I will have to get some pictures to post later on.

If you are going to demand top quality, buy a S&W or Ruger 22 revolver.  You will pay top money, but get a very good pistol. 

For a cheap plinker, IMO, the Keltec P17 makes a decent pistol.  Very light and has been reliable.  The only issue I had is the rear sight adjustment screw tended to drift while shooting.  Just put something on the screw to stiffen it up a little.  It wasn't very accurate suppressed, not sure why.  The Walther/Colt 1911-22 is a better suppressor host, also fairly light.  I hear good things about the Taurus 22 pistol, but haven't shot it.
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #36 on: May 02, 2023, 09:37:54 AM »
I have an H&R revolver with 22 and 22 mag cylinders.  It was only $200 about 10 years ago.  I don't think they make them anymore. 

I recall the H&Rs being good quality.

Anyways, you guys are driving me crazy.  =D

Reading all the replies, I guess maybe it'll be taking a chance on the Wrangler, or just skipping it altogether. I just don't want a .22 revolver bad enough to pay $600+ for it. Maybe I'll wait till I have some more Cabelas points, then get the Wrangler for free, and then if it's not great, at least it was free.  =)
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Re: Diamondback Sidekick .22 Revolver?
« Reply #37 on: May 02, 2023, 01:54:08 PM »
I got an email add on GunZoneDeals.com for a Ruger Super Wrangler (22 and 22 Mag cylinders) for $284.  That isn't to bad a price.
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