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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #25 on: May 13, 2023, 01:58:08 PM »
I always wondered what the big deal was when they "lost" somebody in transport, or even getting killed when they materialized.  You've got the person's last body and memory saved, just print another copy.

Running short of Redshirts? Just press a button and Vola! You can have dozens, hundreds, even millions of expendable Redshirts n minutes!
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #26 on: May 13, 2023, 02:06:17 PM »
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #27 on: May 14, 2023, 11:40:16 AM »

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Sorry, I'm no longer intimately familiar with Trek/Trek offshoot stuff.  Spock had big ears, girl was green, Warp7 was faster than Warp4, WarpN was faster than c.  That's about it, nowadays.

Kind of got bored with it ten+ years ago, rarely watch any of the re-runs or any "future/space/conflict/danger/OMG that rock is sentient" efforts any more.  They started to sound committee written --and incidentally, too woke-flavored.  (That's one of the reasons I started to dislike M*A*S*H. That "painting the prejudiced soldier with iodine" one tore it for me.)

Same thing with Western "sheepherders v cattle/railroad coming through/refined pure lady becomes floozy, then redeemed/ floozy becomes refined lady, then backslides/Indians villains/Indians upstanding" stuff.

I still like "McHale's Navy" despite the outrageously dangerous gun handling and the frequent plot device that "the engine is dead," even though most American PT boats each had three (3, count 'em) very powerful aircraft engines,  any one of which could push the craft at 20 knots or better.

I guess you could calc'late that 20 knots was "Warp1" for a PT boat, and debate stuff from there.  I think about 290 knots would be the world speedboat record, so call that "Warp 10," beyond which any faster was impossible. Until the committee decided faster was needed for the plot.  "But Captain, we'll tear the ship apart!"

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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #28 on: May 14, 2023, 11:45:22 AM »
I still like "McHale's Navy" despite the outrageously dangerous gun handling and the frequent plot device that "the engine is dead," even though most American PT boats each had three very powerful aircraft engines,  any one of which could push the craft at 20 knots or better.

Like in Top Gun?
"The catapult is down"
All 4 of them??

Oh and to get nerdy here Spock was Vulcan/Human* not Klingon and his ears weren't really bigger just elf like pointed.

*Which always begged the question how could a human mother carry a baby with copper based blood?
and related to that issue B'Elanna Torres was Human/Klingon although I think Klingon blood was suppose to be similar to human blood despite being pink in ST:6 due to trying to keep the movie at a PG rating (see it's not real blood).

Edit: I don't recalled which type of blood she had was ever stated.

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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #29 on: May 14, 2023, 12:10:26 PM »
Could you imagine a Human/Klingon woman with red hair? God help us is you threw in some Hispanic in there as well, Klingons are already short tempered as it is.
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #30 on: May 14, 2023, 01:09:09 PM »
Like in Top Gun?
"The catapult is down"
All 4 of them??

Oh and to get nerdy here Spock was Vulcan/Human* not Klingon and his ears weren't really bigger just elf like pointed.

*Which always begged the question how could a human mother carry a baby with copper based blood?
and related to that issue B'Elanna Torres was Human/Klingon although I think Klingon blood was suppose to be similar to human blood despite being pink in ST:6 due to trying to keep the movie at a PG rating (see it's not real blood).

Edit: I don't recalled which type of blood she had was ever stated.



Obviously, that "fact" about Spock's ears destroyed my whole position.  Despite "larger" being a relative term and him having to cover them with a hat.

Oh, honestly...

And I wasn't 100% sure about the 20 knots, so that disqualifies my comments as well.

Oh, honestly...

I was glad to hear the exquisite details about blood type, color, and composition.  I'm happy that someone's on top of data like that. Invaluable information!

Totally invaluable indeed.

LOL =D
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #31 on: May 15, 2023, 02:29:07 PM »
I think I always assumed they were much faster than they actually are in universe.  According to that, the original Enterprise would have taken 3 days at maximum warp just to reach Proxima Centauri.  For their 5 year mission, the original Enterprise could only have traveled a maximum of 2,560 light years at maximum warp assuming no stops.  That doesn't get you very far.
Google says the Milky Way is 100,000 light years across.  2560 light years doesn't seem large compared to 100,000, but it still covers quite a few stars.  Considering how big a deal the Voyager show made for being in the delta quadrant, that sounds about right. 
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #32 on: May 15, 2023, 02:46:11 PM »
Google says the Milky Way is 100,000 light years across.  2560 light years doesn't seem large compared to 100,000, but it still covers quite a few stars.
That's true, but 2560 is if they went max warp nonstop.  Of course they made a lot of stops and maybe didn't go maximum warp the whole time.

I guess my assumption is that life is rare.  In the Star Trek universe it clearly isn't, so they can get into lots of trouble in a much smaller area than I would expect.

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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #33 on: May 15, 2023, 04:00:12 PM »
Oh and to get nerdy here Spock was Vulcan/Human* not Klingon and his ears weren't really bigger just elf like pointed.

The ones with the big ears were the Ferengi.  They originally showed up in STNG but when DS9 came out, there was Quark and his bar.
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #34 on: May 15, 2023, 09:15:22 PM »
That's true, but 2560 is if they went max warp nonstop.  Of course they made a lot of stops and maybe didn't go maximum warp the whole time.

I guess my assumption is that life is rare.  In the Star Trek universe it clearly isn't, so they can get into lots of trouble in a much smaller area volume than I would expect.
Science nerd fixup applied.  ;)

The amazing thing is that apart from a few major exceptions, much of the life in the ST universe seems to be bipedal humanoids. Oh, sure, things like ears (Vulcan, Ferengi), noses (Tellarites) skin color (Orions) and antennae (Andorians) vary, but an awful lot of these aliens could actually be Earth-type humans with makeup applied. It's even more startling that they often can eat the same food and breathe the same air even with major changes in blood chemistry. (Iron based or copper based.)
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #35 on: May 15, 2023, 09:35:12 PM »
Science nerd fixup applied.  ;)

The amazing thing is that apart from a few major exceptions, much of the life in the ST universe seems to be bipedal humanoids. Oh, sure, things like ears (Vulcan, Ferengi), noses (Tellarites) skin color (Orions) and antennae (Andorians) vary, but an awful lot of these aliens could actually be Earth-type humans with makeup applied. It's even more startling that they often can eat the same food and breathe the same air even with major changes in blood chemistry. (Iron based or copper based.)
There was that one ST:TNG episode where they found all the major races locally were from planets seeded by an older race that died out.
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #36 on: May 15, 2023, 09:39:57 PM »
Science nerd fixup applied.  ;)

The amazing thing is that apart from a few major exceptions, much of the life in the ST universe seems to be bipedal humanoids. Oh, sure, things like ears (Vulcan, Ferengi), noses (Tellarites) skin color (Orions) and antennae (Andorians) vary, but an awful lot of these aliens could actually be Earth-type humans with makeup applied. It's even more startling that they often can eat the same food and breathe the same air even with major changes in blood chemistry. (Iron based or copper based.)

There was that one ST:TNG episode where they found all the major races locally were from planets seeded by an older race that died out.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/The_Chase_(episode)
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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #37 on: May 15, 2023, 09:43:11 PM »
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Sorry, I'm no longer intimately familiar with Trek/Trek offshoot stuff.  Spock had big ears, girl was green, Warp7 was faster than Warp4, WarpN was faster than c.  That's about it, nowadays.

Kind of got bored with it ten+ years ago, rarely watch any of the re-runs or any "future/space/conflict/danger/OMG that rock is sentient" efforts any more.  They started to sound committee written --and incidentally, too woke-flavored.  (That's one of the reasons I started to dislike M*A*S*H. That "painting the prejudiced soldier with iodine" one tore it for me.)

Same thing with Western "sheepherders v cattle/railroad coming through/refined pure lady becomes floozy, then redeemed/ floozy becomes refined lady, then backslides/Indians villains/Indians upstanding" stuff.

I still like "McHale's Navy" despite the outrageously dangerous gun handling and the frequent plot device that "the engine is dead," even though most American PT boats each had three (3, count 'em) very powerful aircraft engines,  any one of which could push the craft at 20 knots or better.

I guess you could calc'late that 20 knots was "Warp1" for a PT boat, and debate stuff from there.  I think about 290 knots would be the world speedboat record, so call that "Warp 10," beyond which any faster was impossible. Until the committee decided faster was needed for the plot.  "But Captain, we'll tear the ship apart!"

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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #38 on: May 18, 2023, 03:03:33 AM »


Oh, honestly...

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Re: Federation Starship Warp Speeds Compared
« Reply #39 on: May 18, 2023, 10:21:22 PM »
There was that one ST:TNG episode where they found all the major races locally were from planets seeded by an older race that died out.

There was an original series episode - "Return to Tomorrow" - one of the 2 episode Diana Muldaur was in before she playe Dr. Pulaski on STNG.

https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0708445/?ref_=nm_knf_eps_tt_1
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