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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #25 on: May 30, 2023, 06:16:58 PM »
You're both right. Any tax that indemnifies is inherently wrong.
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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #26 on: May 30, 2023, 10:06:34 PM »
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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #27 on: May 31, 2023, 08:51:32 AM »
Personally I think that property taxes are the single most offensive form of taxes.  All taxes are offensive of course, but the notion that you have to pay a tribute to the government for the right to call property yours is even more offensive than having to tell the government how much money you made (and from which sources) so they can scarf some of it. 

The least offensive tax directly paid by the individual is retail sales tax. 

The absolute least offensive tax are import tariffs because those are only indirectly paid by individuals as an imputed part of purchase costs on a portion of whatever goods you buy.  They have their own problems in terms of trade, and may not be a good option as a result, but that’s a separate issue.
All taxes have a negative effect at some level. Government was always termed as a necessary evil for a reason.  I tend to like the sales tax more than others since it doesn't tax someone for just saving money.  And everyone pays it no matter where they live, what they own, or how much they make. 

I would agree that your property shouldn't be seized over failure to pay.  A lien on the property would make more sense.  Once the lien's are more than the property value, then maybe sieze it. 

If there is any perceived benefit to property taxes, it is just that someone can't just sit on property and do nothing with it without cost.  It encourages industrious use of the property even if only a little.  On one side, a rich guy can't just sit on a ton of property without cost.  On the other side, a poor widow might lose her property because she can't afford to keep up with the taxes.  It probably made more sense back when it was only the property owners voting. 
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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #28 on: May 31, 2023, 10:03:06 AM »
All taxes have a negative effect at some level. Government was always termed as a necessary evil for a reason.  I tend to like the sales tax more than others since it doesn't tax someone for just saving money.  And everyone pays it no matter where they live, what they own, or how much they make. 

I would agree that your property shouldn't be seized over failure to pay.  A lien on the property would make more sense.  Once the lien's are more than the property value, then maybe sieze it. 

If there is any perceived benefit to property taxes, it is just that someone can't just sit on property and do nothing with it without cost.  It encourages industrious use of the property even if only a little.  On one side, a rich guy can't just sit on a ton of property without cost.  On the other side, a poor widow might lose her property because she can't afford to keep up with the taxes.  It probably made more sense back when it was only the property owners voting.
One problem I see with property taxes, is the disparate amount of tax collected on a person's primary residence. Ignoring the residences of people like Jeff Bezos, Michael Dell, Bill Gates and other multi-billionaires, a relatively modest upgrade to a home can mean a SIGNIFICANT bump in taxes . . . with no bump in services! If you pay more property tax on your home, you're NOT going to get better police, fire, or EMS coverage, your kids' school won't be better than your neighbor's, potholes in your street won't be fixed faster, etc.

OK, so I'm being Captain Obvious about this, but it's something I've found irksome about taxation since I was a child and was only being personally hit with sales tax on the little stuff I could buy - I was perceptive enough to see MORE taxes in my future.
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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #29 on: June 14, 2023, 11:21:33 PM »
BREAKING: New U.S. Supreme Court Decision Supports NYSRPA v. BRUEN and Gun Rights
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OZnIhWFsJuM

This guy does a little more detailed breakdown of this decision.  Sounds like they are taking a view of all the Bill of Rights similar to the Bruen decision. 
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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #30 on: June 15, 2023, 12:33:53 AM »
I think Steve Lehto covered this decision recently.
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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #31 on: June 15, 2023, 09:39:33 AM »
I believe he did.  I thought this guy made a good point about the way the SC viewed the case.  It might bode well for future Bill of Rights cases.
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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #32 on: June 16, 2023, 03:14:30 PM »
Ok.... so I'm not watching the video... what is this case?

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Re: Fifth Amendment SCOTUS win
« Reply #33 on: June 16, 2023, 03:45:52 PM »
It's Mark Smith of Four Boxes Diner.
He is talking about Tyler vs. Hennepin County.
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