Over/Under on Trump keeping his mouth shut?

[charby]

Gag order, I wonder if he can actually keep mouth shut and his comments to himself or is he going to spend 30 days in the pokey.

https://deadline.com/2023/10/trump-gag-order-trial-1235562959/

[K Frame]

I'm thinking the better over/under would be on how many times he's cited for contempt of court because, while he has the right to remain silent, he simply doesn't have the ability to remain silent.

[Pb]

If I were Trump, I would violate the order and go to jail.  It is sure to make him even more popular.

[Ben]

If I were Trump, I would violate the order and go to jail.  It is sure to make him even more popular.

Yup. This gag order only helps Trump, regardless if he follows it or breaks it.

[MechAg94]

The over/under might be on whether jail would force a higher court to get involved. 

Was this the judge that made a comment about if she didn't like the jury's decision she would throw it out?

[charby]

The judge is a he, and there is no jury in this type of court.

[Hawkmoon]

I'm thinking the better over/under would be on how many times he's cited for contempt of court because, while he has the right to remain silent, he simply doesn't have the ability to remain silent.

Quoted for truth.

[WLJ]

Telling Trump to keep his mouth shut is like telling AOC not to be stupid

[DittoHead]

Yup. This gag order only helps Trump, regardless if he follows it or breaks it.

It helps him with his base, that's not where he needs the help though.

The Democrats in tandem with these rogue prosecutors, and the state-run media are doing their damndest to prop Trump up now in order to anoint him as the inevitable GOP nominee—because they know the vast majority of independents and undecided voters are not going to be as sympathetic towards him as Republican primary voters currently are

[dogmush]

I agree that's what they are thinking, I'm not sure it's a great bet. 

Americans, in general, like an underdog, and Trumps polling is rising v. Biden already.  Unless their plan is to kick the current team out and bring in a (D)ark horse, Trump may do well, even from prison.

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/

[Ben]

Americans, in general, like an underdog,

It's certainly interesting how this is ingrained in our society, so much so that we will rally behind people we would normally dislike, or people not representative of our own values. I disagree with most of what RFK says, and will not vote for him, but am certainly rooting for him against the dem establishment.

Which is another point in the "pro" column on Trump - he's not just being made an underdog, he's actively being attacked by the establishment - something else that most Americans who value individualism hate.

[grampster]

I agree with the underdog thingy.  That's how Obama got re-elected imho.  The Rs were sliming on him vociferously.  I predicted he'd be re-elected as a result...and he was.

[cordex]

Trump could sometimes benefit from a Biden style of handling where he plays puppet for someone who does the actual thinking instead of reacting strictly based on emotion, but then he wouldn’t be Trump.

[WLJ]

 

Trump Skirts Gag Order With Mini-Trump Ventriloquist Doll
https://babylonbee.com/news/genius-trump-skirts-gag-order-with-mini-trump-ventriloquist-doll

[K Frame]

Trump Skirts Gag Order With Mini-Trump Ventriloquist Doll
https://babylonbee.com/news/genius-trump-skirts-gag-order-with-mini-trump-ventriloquist-doll

Wow... That is absolutely hysterical!

[MechAg94]

That actually makes a little sense as Trump refers to himself in the 3rd person a lot.   

At publishing time, an outcry arose over Trump's decision to choose the puppet as his running mate.

Better than Pence? 

[Bogie]

What a lot of Washington/Media doesn't realize is that there are a LOT of Trump voters who are doing so because they're voting with their wallets... The Tea Party is still alive, only they aren't paying attention to the Big Bus politicians anymore.
 
Every so often, someone bitches about the prices at work. To which I respond, because I've basically quit caring... "Hey, I didn't vote for him." Virtually everyone smiles and agrees. And my store gets about 50% black customers. I still get people wearing King Obama t-shirts tho...
 
I have had VERY few technicolor hair folks bitch about the prices. But overall, they're a small percentage of the population.
 
I think that they are going to need to work VERY hard to steal it...

[HankB]

The judge is a he, and there is no jury in this type of court.

So we are running kangaroo courts after all. And then they wonder why respect for our institutions is on the decline.

[charby]

So we are running kangaroo courts after all. And then they wonder why respect for our institutions is on the decline.

It's a bench trial for a civil lawsuit. Nothing out of the normal there.

Trump's legal team could have requested a trial by jury, but they didn't. I'm pretty sure Trump would have a hard time getting a sympathetic jury in NY and probably why they didn't.

[HankB]

It's a bench trial for a civil lawsuit. Nothing out of the normal there.

Trump's legal team could have requested a trial by jury, but they didn't. I'm pretty sure Trump would have a hard time getting a sympathetic jury in NY and probably why they didn't.

I saw Trump standing outside saying he should have a jury. He made it sound like he was being denied a jury, but based on what you said, it was just Trump being Trump.

[JTHunter]

It's a bench trial for a civil lawsuit. Nothing out of the normal there.

Trump's legal team could have requested a trial by jury, but they didn't. I'm pretty sure Trump would have a hard time getting a sympathetic jury in NY and probably why they didn't.

Considering some of the biased statements this judge has made, Trump's team probably should have tried a change of venue.
Either that or they are hoping to use that bias for an appeal later. 

[charby]

Considering some of the biased statements this judge has made, Trump's team probably should have tried a change of venue.
Either that or they are hoping to use that bias for an appeal later. 

If Trump loses, you can bet the farm he will appeal.

[RocketMan]

If Trump loses, you can bet the farm he will appeal.

This is a political prosecution.  Trump was guaranteed a loss before he set foot in that courtroom.  The judge is going to rule against him regardless what the evidence shows.

[charby]

This is a political prosecution.  Trump was guaranteed a loss before he set foot in that courtroom.  The judge is going to rule against him regardless what the evidence shows.

I have a feeling that he truly guilty of the fraud charges and will lose on the appeal too. Most business tycoons are guilty of some sort of fraud if you dig deep enough. His empire will crumble and his name (and legacy) won't be the same, this will break Trump and his somewhat shallow ego.

[RocketMan]

I have a feeling that he truly guilty of the fraud charges and will lose on the appeal too. Most business tycoons are guilty of some sort of fraud if you dig deep enough. His empire will crumble and his name (and legacy) won't be the same, this will break Trump and his somewhat shallow ego.

He has been charged with overvaluing assets in the process of obtaining financing.  I am puzzled how that can be the case when 3rd party assessors usually establish collateral property valuations, not the party trying to obtain financing.  And given the fact that the prosecutor ran for office on the promise that she was going to "get Trump" one way or another, make the whole legal proceeding even more suspect in my opinion.