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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #51 on: October 08, 2023, 08:33:33 AM »
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #52 on: October 08, 2023, 08:51:00 AM »
In the video you can see Hamas paragliders coming in

Israeli woman describes terrifying ordeal as she played dead for three hours while Hamas terrorists massacred fleeing revellers who ran straight from festival attack.. towards waiting gunmen
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12607219/They-going-tree-tree-shooting-Israeli-festivalgoer-describes-horrifying-moment-Hamas-gunmen-opened-fire-people-fleeing-lives-storming-dance-festival.html
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #53 on: October 08, 2023, 09:11:15 AM »
In the video you can see Hamas paragliders coming in

I don't want to sound sterile and analytical while the killing is still going on, but there certainly is an interesting dichotomy going on with this attack.

From what I've seen on the news, this attack was strategically well-planned in the long term, with insertions via land, sea, and air. Yet when they hit the ground, they didn't act like trained military (or paramilitary) units, moving in a coordinated effort. Instead, it's bands of roving terrorists haphazardly roaming the streets and shooting targets of opportunity like it's a big post-apocalyptical party (or "peaceful protest" in Portland).

From the armchair, it seems like there was military expertise (Iran?) available to plan the insertion, but then they threw in the undisciplined crazies that they rounded up off the street and handed AKs to (or no guns at all). Which I suppose is a strategy in itself as far as terrorizing the enemy.

I'm wondering if some of that was also distraction to possibly allow some trained paramilitary units to come in and do the kidnapping while the fanatics did the killing. From what I saw on the news this morning, hamas is talking about "prisoner exchange", which certainly seems like a planned event.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #54 on: October 08, 2023, 09:34:40 AM »
Again, just from the TV, but reporting is that "dozens" of US citizens are among the hostages.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #55 on: October 08, 2023, 09:38:22 AM »
I'm only seeing it on the Fox right now, so no confirmation, but their on-scene reporter is saying that hamas was able to capture Israeli tanks and other mil vehicles and drive them back across the border.

Though I'm not sure just a few tanks would better serve them than the asymmetrical warfare they're engaging in now.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #57 on: October 08, 2023, 09:49:05 AM »
Perhaps propaganda, but a hamas spokesman is confirming that Iran assisted with planning.

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/08/hamas-spokesperson-iran-n2388269
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #58 on: October 08, 2023, 11:19:08 AM »
I have a funny feeling that Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the map.

All of the terrorism apologists are going to go out of their minds over how cruel and ruthless Israel is.
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« Reply #59 on: October 08, 2023, 11:22:34 AM »
All of the terrorism apologists are going to go out of their minds over how cruel and ruthless Israel is.

Corrie Bush is first up:

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/08/cori-bush-n2388267
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #60 on: October 08, 2023, 11:26:48 AM »
You can't live in peace with someone who in their heart and soul wants you wiped from existence, either you die or they die.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #61 on: October 08, 2023, 11:29:13 AM »
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #62 on: October 08, 2023, 11:46:40 AM »
Now here's a thought
Considering the "closed" border situation does Hamas and/or Iran have cells in place here waiting for the signal?
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #63 on: October 08, 2023, 12:19:15 PM »
Now here's a thought
Considering the "closed" border situation does Hamas and/or Iran have cells in place here waiting for the signal?

To paraphrase Mike, that's a given. Add China and North Korea.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #64 on: October 08, 2023, 12:25:18 PM »
I find myself not really caring about this, at least not to the level it seems a bunch of my fellow Americans are.

Hamas pulled off an attack that was WAY more successful than their usual ones, but it's still Israelis and Palestinians killing each other.  So, you know, a day that ends in "Y".  Like an earlier poster said, you don't coexist with people that want you dead.  One of you dies.  There's probably plenty of folks living in Gaza that don't want to wage war on their neighbor,  but there are clearly enough that do, that you are going to have a war.


Since they're going to go ahead and have a war, I feel we should point out to the Israelis that the Carthaginians haven't bothered their neighbors for some time now.

And then we should keep our nose, and money,  out of it on both sides. 

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #65 on: October 08, 2023, 12:33:48 PM »
I have a funny feeling that Israel is going to wipe Gaza off the map.

All of the terrorism apologists are going to go out of their minds over how cruel and ruthless Israel is.

That was my first reaction.  But I think Israel may actually be smarter than that.  As evidenced by the fact that they specifically declared war on Hamas.  Yes,  that's like declaring war on Antifa.  But I suspect Israel as a people, and therefore her military, will not stop until every known member of Hamas leadership is dead.   
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #66 on: October 08, 2023, 12:34:35 PM »
And then we should keep our nose, and money,  out of it on both sides.

I partially agree with this, however, one of them is also calling for the death of the great satan, so we can't ignore the situation. Certainly we don't have to get actively involved, but it seems sensible to monitor the people that want you wiped off the face of the map.

Also, only one of them (that I'm aware of) is committing atrocities, so even if I don't want heavy US involvement, I'm certainly rooting for one side over the other.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #67 on: October 08, 2023, 01:15:36 PM »
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #68 on: October 08, 2023, 02:30:51 PM »
I find myself not really caring about this, at least not to the level it seems a bunch of my fellow Americans are.

Hamas pulled off an attack that was WAY more successful than their usual ones, but it's still Israelis and Palestinians killing each other.  So, you know, a day that ends in "Y".  Like an earlier poster said, you don't coexist with people that want you dead.  One of you dies.  There's probably plenty of folks living in Gaza that don't want to wage war on their neighbor,  but there are clearly enough that do, that you are going to have a war.


Since they're going to go ahead and have a war, I feel we should point out to the Israelis that the Carthaginians haven't bothered their neighbors for some time now.

And then we should keep our nose, and money,  out of it on both sides.

All of this ^

8 Billion for the protection of their border while ours is wide open ...

It appears "our" government has misplaced priorities.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #69 on: October 08, 2023, 03:29:13 PM »
it's like this ...
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #70 on: October 08, 2023, 03:33:51 PM »
I'd like to see Israel wipe the Gaza Strip FLAT and reclaim it.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #71 on: October 08, 2023, 04:29:17 PM »
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After a similar appearance by his Israeli counterpart, the Palestinian ambassador to the United Nations has spoken to reporters at the UN.

Riyad Mansour expressed his concern that messages about “Israel’s right to defend itself” could be interpreted by the Israeli government as “a licence to kill.” He has requested an emergency meeting of the League of Arab States (LAS) in Cairo in the next few days.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #73 on: October 08, 2023, 06:38:20 PM »
Related: We went to grocery shopping today down near Temple Terrace, FL and there were protests going on.  (Temple Terrace is the HQ of CAIR in the states. Large Muslim population.)

The pro Israelis were standing on one side of the street with signs and yelling,  while the Palestinians were driving up and down the street with Palestinian,  Hamas, and Jihad flags on their trucks and shmaughs over their faces.  Everyone on both sides was male and 20-35 or so.

About 30 TPD officers stood nervously between the groups.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #74 on: October 08, 2023, 07:56:38 PM »
And Rep. Rashida Tlaib, a squad member, has finally weighed in.... with one of the most disgusting, pro-Islamic terrorism statements that has ever been made.
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