Israel Under Attack

[Hawkmoon]

The more I think about this, the more the genius of this op is striking me.

Right now, Hezbollah (although some people are saying they should be renamed Hez-ah since they got their balls blown off) is looking at every single piece of equipment wondering what's going to blow up next.  Comms are going to be *heavily* disrupted since no one will trust any device for a long time.   Supply chain will be severely disrupted since no one is going to trust any new supplies.  Not only did Israel take hundreds - maybe even in the thousands - of Hezbollah terrorists out of the fight permanently (some of the injuries I'm seeing will either be fatal in the near term or permanently crippling) but they've completely disrupted their logistics for the foreseeable future.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FPQlXNH36mI

[Angel Eyes]

Mossad is at it again:

https://x.com/Dannyjokes/status/1836823264775262505

[AmbulanceDriver]

Mossad is at it again:

https://x.com/Dannyjokes/status/1836823264775262505

*Gigglesnort*

[WLJ]

Posted on X
Got a very strong feeling it's fake but here it is

Vivid.🇮🇱
@VividProwess
⚠️BREAKING: Leaked Hezbollah intelligence documents have been discovered regarding the damage from the pager explosions.

- 879 Hezbollah Terrorists died.
- 291 Senior Commanders died.
- 509 Blinded.
- 1,735 injured in “reproductive organs.”
- 613 Permanent function damage.

https://x.com/VividProwess/status/1837028598177239383

[WLJ]

This guys says it's fake because...

🇱🇧 Lebanon Israel 🇮🇱
@Lebanonisrael1
I've seen this picture being shared about the number of people who died after operation plucked eye balls. Personally, I believe it's fake for several reasons, one of them being the use of the Gregorian calendar instead of the Hijri calendar.

https://x.com/Lebanonisrael1/status/1837039498808414426

Also some are noting spelling mistakes

[Opportunity]

I’m going to spare you my normal sarcasm- it wouldn’t bother me a bit considering much of the Islamic world wants to kill me.

Thank you for your honesty, at least it's more worthy of respect than talk about a new genius weapon that kills only bad guys and frees the civilian population from their dictate))

[WLJ]

I can admire what went into this and the effects it may have had on a terrorist group while at the same time knowing that there may have been some unfortunate collateral damage. Trouble is Hezbollah regularly lies about such things so we don't know what to believe at this point on that matter. 

[K Frame]

I can admire what went into this and the effects it may have had on a terrorist group while at the same time knowing that there may have been some unfortunate collateral damage. 

Very very little collateral damage for such a widespread operation. Surgical isn't the word for it.

Of course, Hezbollah will respond with their own "surgical" response -- dumb missiles fired randomly and blindly.

But, as I've said before, Hezbollah isn't in the collateral damage game because for them, because every Israeli -- elderly man, elderly woman, mother of 5, 7 year old girl, 3 day old infant -- is a target and that's just dandy.

Yet let the Israelis kill one non-combatant the wailing and screeching about war crimes and crimes against humanity is deafening.

[cordex]

Opportunity, you seem to consider this attack to be particularly odious.  What bothers you so much about it?

[Opportunity]

Opportunity, you seem to consider this attack to be particularly odious.  What bothers you so much about it?

No, I don't think this attack to be particularly odious, no - a regular war.
I'm just a little surprised by the absolutely one-sided assessment of this conflict. There are bad guys - these are the Arabs, and there are good guys - these are the Jews.
What a primitive world order you have ))

[cordex]

It's easier to think about wars as good vs. evil, for sure.  If someone declares their enemy to be Nazis (whether or not that is true), then obviously it makes the war and attendant atrocities easier to justify.

I'm not sure my personal views of Israel's strike against Hezbollah, or the parallel conflict with Hamas, are as "primitive" or one-sided as you assert, but admittedly in this conflict I do see Israel as the less bad guy than Hamas or Hezbollah - and not merely based on the religion of the participants.  Do you have a different perspective?

I'd note that there are a lot of threads on this forum, and we've had plenty of members take quite the opposite position when it comes to Israel.  You might try searching for threads relating to the USS Liberty, or some of De Selby's posts in this thread for that matter.

[K Frame]

"I'm just a little surprised by the absolutely one-sided assessment of this conflict. There are bad guys - these are the Arabs, and there are good guys - these are the Jews.
What a primitive world order you have"

Actually not primitive at all, as our view of this particular world order has been established by the entirety of the Arab response to Israel since its creation in 1948 -- Israel, and all of the Jews, MUST be eradicated! Allah wills it!

Constant invasions (literally from day 1 of its existence), economic threats, terrorist attacks over the last 70+ years.

Attacks that have repeatedly targeted not legitimate military targets, but the civilian infrastructure.

Then there's the quaint trick that the Arabs have of launching their missile strikes from schools, hospitals, and heavily populated residential areas. Nothing says legitimate "freedom fighter" like using your own children as human shields.

The only time the Arabs "cares" about those civilians is when Israel strikes back. Then the Arabs cry a Jordan River of crocodile tears about the mean Israelis and their war crimes against women and children.

Not bothering to mention that the Arabs themselves were using those same women and children as human shields, but we're not supposed to mention that.

What a joke.

[JTHunter]

  Will they drop down to passenger pigeons next?

Get a bunch of 12 gauges with #6 - #8 birdshot and go hunting. 

[JTHunter]

Just put pistol powder in a rifle cartridge.

  What would 4F black powder do if loaded in a rifle cartridge? 

[JTHunter]

Cordex and K Frame - Well put !! 

[zxcvbob]

What would 4F black powder do if loaded in a rifle cartridge? 

It explodes quite spectacularly if you fill a .30-06 or .300 Win Mag (etc) case with 4F powder and crimp the end shut on a piece of cannon fuse.  And it's even louder if you wrap the whole thing with a tight layer of duct tape so the brass holds together a millisecond longer.  Don't ask me how I know that. 

But that doesn't mean it would blow up the breach of a modern rifle.  If you want to do that, I think Bullseye powder (it is unusually high in nitroglycerin) or flash powder (the silvery kind in firecrackers) might actually detonate if you have enough of it.  Although, if you generate enough pressure to blow up the gun I don't know if it matters whether it went high-order or not.   

[cordex]

Ryan McBeth is doubling down on his assertion that there were not explosives in the pagers.

I’m not sure what he thinks made those explosions if not explosives.

[AmbulanceDriver]

Cordex and K Frame - Well put !! 

Agreed. They both summarized my position better than I could have.

[Hawkmoon]

I can admire what went into this and the effects it may have had on a terrorist group while at the same time knowing that there may have been some unfortunate collateral damage. Trouble is Hezbollah regularly lies about such things so we don't know what to believe at this point on that matter.

Collateral damage is certainly unfortunate, but I temper that with the understanding that when Hamas attacked Israel ALL the hostages were civilians, almost all were unarmed and not any threat to Gaza, and most were tortured and killed. How's THAT for collateral damage?

As for Hezbollah, they don't worry about collateral damage when they lob rockets at Israel. They aren't targeting military targets that are a direct threat to them. They are targeting Israel.

[K Frame]

What would 4F black powder do if loaded in a rifle cartridge? 

Most likely nothing, other than gum up the works.

Might blow the primer, but today's modern firearms are more than strong enough to take pressures generated by a load of 4F.

[K Frame]

"But that doesn't mean it would blow up the breach of a modern rifle.  If you want to do that, I think Bullseye powder (it is unusually high in nitroglycerin) or flash powder (the silvery kind in firecrackers) might actually detonate if you have enough of it.  Although, if you generate enough pressure to blow up the gun I don't know if it matters whether it went high-order or not."

See my post about the effects of a .30-06 case loaded with EC flash powder and fired in a Model 1917 Enfield.

[WLJ]

Collateral damage is certainly unfortunate, but I temper that with the understanding that when Hamas attacked Israel ALL the hostages were civilians, almost all were unarmed and not any threat to Gaza, and most were tortured and killed. How's THAT for collateral damage?

As for Hezbollah, they don't worry about collateral damage when they lob rockets at Israel. They aren't targeting military targets that are a direct threat to them. They are targeting Israel.

I know they don't but that doesn't mean I shouldn't while at the same time understanding some collateral damage is often unavoidable in war.

Edit: Fixed

[Ben]

I don't they don't but that doesn't mean I shouldn't while at the same time understanding some is often unavoidable in war.

Kinda early in the morning to be drunk posting, eh?

 

[WLJ]

I don't they don't but that doesn't mean I shouldn't while at the same time understanding some is often unavoidable in war.

Kinda early in the morning to be drunk posting, eh?

 

I know they

F'ing aspergers combined with my first cup of coffee hadn't had time to soak in yet. It's a bad combo 
And maybe add the fact Pakal was having the zoomies playing with Ashi around the room as a distraction.

[WLJ]

Someone isn't happy about a cartoon.
Wonder if she's aware of TBB article?

https://x.com/RashidaTlaib/status/1837198454545862992