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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2200 on: December 13, 2024, 09:42:30 AM »
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Yes. I do.  I hate the BS "Refugee" crap that has been going on for the last couple years (decade in Europe).  It's put us in a crap situation on many fronts.

That said, I would not feel comfortable sending any female back to Syria.  Especially one that has been granted refugee status for the length of their civil war.  It's bad to let them stay here.  It's worse to sentence a woman and her children to a fundamentalist Islamic government.

Don't think us forcibly sending them back was what he meant. I could be wrong
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2201 on: December 13, 2024, 11:39:31 AM »
Don't think us forcibly sending them back was what he meant. I could be wrong

It's never forcible the first time an authoritarian asks for something......

He said (or rather was translated as saying) "All these people that received asylum, have been displaced, they must return.  They MUST return." (emphasis in the translation).  Must return, or what?

Now what would be reasonable is if every government that granted asylum from someone fleeing Assad's regime were to inform the asylumees that Assad's regime is gone, and they have 45 days to return home to Syria, or if warranted reapply for asylum based on the new government.  I would even offer free flights to Damascus on national flagged carriers.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2202 on: December 13, 2024, 12:52:46 PM »
That said, I would not feel comfortable sending any female back to Syria.  Especially one that has been granted refugee status for the length of their civil war.  It's bad to let them stay here.  It's worse to sentence a woman and her children to a fundamentalist Islamic government.
I'm not sure how I feel about this line of thinking.  If we are going to hold to that principle, why would we turn down asylum applications from anyone from a shithole country?  Or if you'd prefer to limit approvals to women and children ... would you have us accept them all?

I get the sentiment, but just like I don't want to go to war to save everyone from a bad government, I don't want to import all of them either.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2203 on: December 13, 2024, 02:11:02 PM »
I'm not sure how I feel about this line of thinking.  If we are going to hold to that principle, why would we turn down asylum applications from anyone from a shithole country?  Or if you'd prefer to limit approvals to women and children ... would you have us accept them all?

I get the sentiment, but just like I don't want to go to war to save everyone from a bad government, I don't want to import all of them either.

No I would not willy nilly accept accept all asylum applicants from every shithole.  We can't save everyone.

That said, there's a difference to me with telling someone currently in a shithole they can't come, and telling people that have made it out, they have to go back.  Whether or not you think the Regugee/asylum process was abused by Syrians (and there's valid reasons to say it was) they are out now, and Asylum was granted.  Saying that the specific piece of crap they were granted asylum from is gone, so go back to a country run by militant aholes and be treated like chattel is a stance I would not take.

Also if the Stockholm Syndrome women WANT to follow their men back and roll the dice on Sharia, I would not stop them.  Like I said, If I were a country in Europe with a national flag airline, I'd be offering free flights to Damascus (one-way).  But if they want to renew their asylum application because *expletive deleted*ing Al Qaeda took over their home, I'd be more favorable to that than the original Assad is a big meany application.

For any Syrians in the US that want asylum, I think we owe it to them because we let the CIA fund terrorist takeover of their home.

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« Reply #2204 on: December 13, 2024, 02:19:31 PM »
Also if the Stockholm Syndrome women WANT to follow their men back and roll the dice on Sharia, I would not stop them.  Like I said, If I were a country in Europe with a national flag airline, I'd be offering free flights to Damascus (one-way).  But if they want to renew their asylum application because *expletive deleted*ing Al Qaeda took over their home, I'd be more favorable to that than the original Assad is a big meany application.

I can suggest one test: If they advocate for Sharia law here, they should go back to where Sharia law is law.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2205 on: December 13, 2024, 06:20:20 PM »
 
. . . I would not feel comfortable sending any female back to Syria.  Especially one that has been granted refugee status for the length of their civil war . . .
And if the females were of the same political persuasion as Ihlan Omar or Rashida Tlaib?
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2206 on: December 15, 2024, 06:28:33 PM »
Something big went boom

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BREAKING:

Absolutely HUGE EXPLOSION after Israeli airstrikes hit a weapons depot near the city of Tartus in Syria

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2207 on: December 15, 2024, 07:06:18 PM »
And if the females were of the same political persuasion as Ihlan Omar or Rashida Tlaib?

The political, religious, or philosophical beliefs of the women have no bear8ng on whether I would send them to a fundamentalist Muslim country.

If they choose to go, that's on them.  If we revoke or end asylum,  that's on us.

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« Reply #2208 on: December 15, 2024, 07:49:44 PM »
The political, religious, or philosophical beliefs of the women have no bear8ng on whether I would send them to a fundamentalist Muslim country.

If they choose to go, that's on them.  If we revoke or end asylum,  that's on us.
If they don't want to return to Syria, they can go to one of the nearby countries that should have given them asylum in the first place rather than passing them on to Western nations.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2209 on: December 15, 2024, 07:52:28 PM »
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2210 on: December 15, 2024, 07:57:51 PM »
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Issa Al_slahi 🇾🇪🇵🇸
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🚨🚨🚨🇮🇱🇸🇾The Zionist enemy uses banned concussion bombs in its aggression against Syria.
These were raids on Tartus a short while ago
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Concussion bombs? WTH? they think this is Star Wars or something?
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« Reply #2211 on: December 15, 2024, 08:00:06 PM »
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2212 on: December 15, 2024, 08:10:18 PM »
Someone in comments said that where the Russian naval base is.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2213 on: December 15, 2024, 08:57:17 PM »
Something big went boom ... Another
Another angle of explosion that shows secondary explosion to bottom right of screen (Comments guessed "underground complex/exit point underground. All toasted") - https://x.com/ConflictDISP/status/1868428400341434494

"leighlahalala" is repeated which is Arabic translated to "for god's sake".
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2214 on: December 15, 2024, 10:44:37 PM »
The political, religious, or philosophical beliefs of the women have no bear8ng on whether I would send them to a fundamentalist Muslim country.

If they choose to go, that's on them.  If we revoke or end asylum,  that's on us.
We differ there - I wouldn't extend asylum to anyone who hates our country.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2215 on: December 16, 2024, 04:17:56 AM »
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https://x.com/Issa_slahi21/status/1868431163918102553

Concussion bombs? WTH? they think this is Star Wars or something?

What's a concussion bomb? I can't even find the term when I do an Internet search on it. Is that an air burst bomb?

Did the Israelis perhaps use a "bunker buster" bomb? Is that what this person thinks is a concussion bomb?
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2216 on: December 16, 2024, 07:40:02 AM »
Just another jabbering diaper head not knowing WTF he's jabbering about, or simply lying like the goat *expletive deleted*ing piece of camel crap he is. Oh dear, did I say that out loud? I actually meant to scream it...


My guess is that he's talking about general purpose high explosive bombs, which have a lot of concussive force. In that sense they are something like a stun grenade -- large explosive filling, not much of a case and little fragmentation potential/damage.

But GPHE bombs are most certainly NOT banned.

The only aerial bombs that I know of that are banned by international convention are cluster bombs/munitions. And the US, Russia, and Israel (among others) have NOT signed that treaty.

And Lithuania recently withdrew from it saying "hey, Russia is using CBMs in Ukraine, they'll likely use them in a conflict with NATO, so we're not going to participate in anything that keeps us from killing Russians."

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2217 on: December 16, 2024, 10:22:11 AM »
CNN made a big deal out of one of their teams helping to free this guy claiming he had been held there and tortured for months. A lot of people on X were pointing out he looked suspiciously clean and healthy for someone like that.

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The prisoner CNN helped free from a secret facility in Syria was actually a notorious member of Bashar al-Assad’s forces known to torture those who refused to pay him off, according to a shocking local fact check.

The network went viral last week with footage of the startled prisoner being led from the prison by journalist Clarissa Ward, who called it “one of the most extraordinary moments I have witnessed” in her 20 years of reporting.

But “independent and unbiased” fact-checkers Verify-Sy published a detailed report Sunday saying that the seemingly innocent prisoner was actually Salama Mohammad Salama — a first lieutenant in Syrian air force intelligence with a long history of alleged war crimes

Whoops

Prisoner CNN helped free from Syrian prison was actually notorious Assad regime torturer: report
https://nypost.com/2024/12/16/world-news/prisoner-filmed-by-cnn-being-freed-from-syrian-prison-was-actually-notorious-assad-regime-torturer-report/
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2218 on: December 16, 2024, 10:30:45 AM »
What's a concussion bomb? I can't even find the term when I do an Internet search on it. Is that an air burst bomb?

Did the Israelis perhaps use a "bunker buster" bomb? Is that what this person thinks is a concussion bomb?

Like K-Krame said, screaming beards be pulling *expletive deleted*it out of their ass to scream about the Jewz and America.

That said, a "concussion" bomb (that's not D&D or SciFi) tends to be something with a high ratio of explosive to shell/shrapnel. Think Flash-Bang grenade. They are designed to limit damage from shrapnel to stuff you want to keep, or be less lethal to friendlies nearby.  I'm not going to say we NEVER made one that was aircraft launched, (Because the US tends to strap anything we have that explodes to an airplane sooner or later) but I don't know of one.  The pictures kinda look like a Thermobaric JDAM sized thing with secondaries afterwards, but I am far from an expert in bomb damage assesments.  In general the large fireball thing is indicative of thermobarics rather than high explosives.

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« Reply #2219 on: December 16, 2024, 10:43:35 AM »
"That said, a "concussion" bomb (that's not D&D or SciFi) tends to be something with a high ratio of explosive to shell/shrapnel."

Gee, sounds like my comment re: GPHE bombs...  =D

If the jabbering jihadi buttplug was talking about thermobaric bombs, they're not banned, either.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2220 on: December 16, 2024, 12:27:14 PM »
Concussion bomb hell, everyone knows they used an AR-15.
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« Reply #2221 on: December 16, 2024, 01:39:14 PM »
"That said, a "concussion" bomb (that's not D&D or SciFi) tends to be something with a high ratio of explosive to shell/shrapnel."

Gee, sounds like my comment re: GPHE bombs...  =D

If the jabbering jihadi buttplug was talking about thermobaric bombs, they're not banned, either.

My understanding is GPHE (actually LDGP in US inventory) bombs, have a pretty significant shrapnel load built into their design.  It mostly comes from the casing, but it's a design component to maximize death and damage. For example, the Mk84 GP bomb causes lethal frag damage out to 400ft or so.  IIRC Danger Close on those in JDAM config is like 500M

"Concussion " bombs omit the frag characteristics.  I forget it's designation now but there's a carbon fiber based versi9n of the 500lbs Mk82 like this.  Stuff like that, and Thermobarics are "concussion " weapons.

Again, I'm not a JTAC, and it's been a while since I called in any air, but that's what I remember from the class.

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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2222 on: December 16, 2024, 02:21:19 PM »
Wasn't there a Tom Clancy novel (Clear and Present Danger?) where a special disintegrating munition was dropped on a drug lord's compound in South America? As I recall, the fuze and guidance system were the only "solid" parts of the "smart" bomb, with the main part of the casing being something like glorified cardboard.  which would be consumed when the payload detonated.

OK, ok, I know the book (and subsequent movie) were works of fiction.

But Clancy had a reputation for researching his technobabble before including it in his books, so maybe it was inspired by something real.
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« Reply #2223 on: December 16, 2024, 02:35:21 PM »
Cellulose bomb. IIRC.
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Re: Israel Under Attack
« Reply #2224 on: December 17, 2024, 09:13:25 AM »
I wonder if this is part of the strategy of the recently talked about "Islamic Army"? It would make  sense for the actual terrorists to use these dimwits as canon fodder.

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