Lewiston, Maine shooting

[WLJ]

On the news this morning they said that a boat he owns is missing. Maybe escape attempt or suicide at sea. Though they didn't say what kind of boat or if he kept it on the coast. I supposed he could have gone down the river, but I'd assume they'd be searching there.

Saw it reported as a 12ft jet ski but also he did own a boat in the past.
Seeing some speculation he may off himself in some secluded hidden spot to keep the fear going. Who knows, maybe at sea or a river.

[WLJ]

Speaking of hearing voices

    Many people hear voices in other countries.
    The difference is those countries don’t let civilians have AR-15s
    — David Hogg 🟧 (@davidhogg111) October 26, 2023

https://twitchy.com/samj/2023/10/27/david-hogg-people-in-other-countries-hear-voices-n2389079

[MillCreek]

My wife and I think they will find his body in the forest with a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

[WLJ]

Investigators searched Card’s car yesterday and recovered a .308-caliber AR-15 rifle, according to a law enforcement official. A second law enforcement official told CNN that the weapon is similar in description and caliber to the gun used in the attack.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.html

Note they still call it an AR-15. I would actually be somewhat shocked if they didn't.

[HeroHog]

Oh look, an upcoming Presidential election! Oh look, a tailor made scenario for gun control against the Right!
Too often an occurring pattern to be a coincident.

[Ben]

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.html

Note they still call it an AR-15. I would actually be somewhat shocked if they didn't.

If a .223 millimeter caliber AR-15 super assault weapon turns bones to powder (I heard that on the news yesterday) what will a .308 caliber gauge AR-15 assault weapon do to someone?

[WLJ]

If a .223 millimeter caliber AR-15 super assault weapon turns bones to powder (I heard that on the news yesterday) what will a .308 caliber gauge AR-15 assault weapon do to someone?

556 is bigger than 308 
I'm waiting to hear some MSM "gun expert" to say something to the effect of thank goodness it wasn't 556 or this would have been a lot worse

Before someone says "actually..." Yes I know

[BobR]

556 is bigger than 308 
I'm waiting to hear some MSM "gun expert" to say something to the effect of thank goodness it wasn't 556 or this would have been a lot worse

Before someone says "actually..." Yes I know

You are onto something there. After all the AR15 must be much more powerful, at least half again, as the AR10. Thank all the deities  they haven't found out about the AR180 yet. 

bob

[WLJ]

The gun that investigators believe the Lewiston mass shooting suspect, Robert Card, used to kill 18 people and wound 13 others was purchased legally just days before he was hospitalized and ordered to undergo a psychiatric evaluation, multiple law enforcement sources told CNN.

What we know about the weapon: The rifle was a Ruger SFAR, chambered for high-powered .308 ammunition, the sources said.

The .308 round is favored by military snipers firing at long distances and big game hunters. It's larger and more powerful than the regular ammunition carried in the rifles of soldiers and SWAT teams.

One of the challenges in identifying victims at the two crime scenes from Wednesday's mass shooting was nearly all the victims were shot in the head, rendering some of them unrecognizable, a law enforcement source told CNN.

https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shootings-10-27-23/index.html

[WLJ]

Maine reportedly has a "Yellow Flag" law which according to some of what I'm seeing could have been triggered but wasn't.
The different between Red and Yellow Flag laws are, if I'm reading this right, is that under Yellow Flag laws the person needs to be evaluated and deemed a threat by a medical professional before firearms can be seized, Red Flag laws remove that requirement.

Two articles ~1 year apart.

Maine's 'yellow flag' law scrutinized as 'woefully weak' after mass shooting
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/maines-yellow-flag-law-scrutinized-woefully-weak-mass-shooting-rcna122541

From 2022

Maine's 'yellow flag' law could be a model for gun control, but legal experts say it has limitations
https://www.mainepublic.org/politics/2022-07-01/maines-yellow-flag-law-could-be-a-model-for-gun-control-but-legal-experts-say-it-has-limitations

[WLJ]

Not much in the way of details yet

Maine mass shooting manhunt: Robert Card found dead, law enforcement sources say
https://www.foxnews.com/live-news/lewiston-maine-mass-shooting-october-27

[MillCreek]

Breaking news. The suspect found dead in the woods from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

[WLJ]

He had been fired from his job at a recycling plant, and had split from a recent partner.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682155/Maine-mass-shooter-dead-woods-two-gunshot-wounds-head-sources-say.html

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you usually see the term partner used when the relationship is "non-traditional" so to speak?

[Hawkmoon]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682155/Maine-mass-shooter-dead-woods-two-gunshot-wounds-head-sources-say.html

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you usually see the term partner used when the relationship is "non-traditional" so to speak?

I believe that is correct.

[RocketMan]

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682155/Maine-mass-shooter-dead-woods-two-gunshot-wounds-head-sources-say.html

Correct me if I'm wrong but don't you usually see the term partner used when the relationship is "non-traditional" so to speak?

That's usually correct in the USA.  However, in the UK the term partner is also used to refer to someone of the opposite sex in a relationship with another person.  The story is from the UK Daily Mail.

[WLJ]

That's usually correct in the USA.  However, in the UK the term partner is also used to refer to someone of the opposite sex in a relationship with another person.  The story is from the UK Daily Mail.

Yeah, thought about the UK angle after I posted. But did the use of the term partner come from the DM or a source in the US?

[WLJ]

And a AR-10/LR-308 would level the forest

    Joy Behar: "If you shoot with an AR-15, let's say you shoot a deer, you can't eat it because you basically demolish the animal."

    Lol who wants to tell her?

    pic.twitter.com/XMdm0waOkZ
    — DC_Draino (@DC_Draino) October 27, 2023

https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2023/10/27/joy-behar-the-view-deer-ar-15-the-view-n2389121

[Ben]

I have heard "partner" for traditional relationships for a couple of decades. It all depends on where you live. Enlightened liberals like to say it as a way to normalize non-traditional relationships. I heard "partner" way more than "husband" or "wife" back in Santa Barbara. Here in sticksville, I don't think I have ever heard someone say "partner" unless it's their business partner.

In fact back in Santa Barbara, at least a couple of times, somebody thought I was gay because I said something like, "I'm hooking up with my partner this weekend to go quail hunting". Because boomers call guys they do stuff with partners and buddies*. But just like "gay" no longer means "happy", "partner" apparently doesn't actually mean "partner" anymore.


*Also, "hooking up" doesn't mean what it did when I was a kid. Don't even ask me how many times I nearly got into sexual harassment trouble at work because I said I was hooking up with a female coworker.

[Ron]

My buddy in Colorado came by and visited while he was in town visiting his mom. He introduced me to his partner he's been with for a couple years, she is a cute little thing but man was she a raging lefty.

[HankB]

You are onto something there. After all the AR15 must be much more powerful, at least half again, as the AR10. Thank all the deities  they haven't found out about the AR180 yet. 

bob

And just think, we fought - and won! - a WAR with a lowly M1, only 1/15 as powerful as the AR15.

Breaking news. The suspect found dead in the woods from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Too bad he didn't start his spree that way.

[WLJ]

Breaking news. The suspect found dead in the woods from a self-inflicted gunshot wound.

Too bad he didn't start his spree that way.

Unfortunately some shooters seem to want to send a message and/or become famous in the process so the higher the body count the better in their view. This guy seems to have wanted to make sure his perceived enemies where dead first.

[WLJ]

Out comes info about his ex wife who was reportedly in hiding with their son
Only married two years and  divorced in 2007.

But there is the possibility he was looking for another ex

One trigger for the massacre was floated by Card's sister, who told investigators she believed he may have been looking for an ex when he rampaged through the Sparetime Recreation bowling alley and Schemengees Bar and Grille, police sources told the outlet.

It is not confirmed whether Card's sister was referring to Lamb when she made the claim, or a more recent ex-partner.

Of note is this requirement made to the divorce agreement at a later date

The couple jointly filed for divorce in 2007 in Sagahoc County court, citing irreconcilable differences.

In 2013 the divorce agreement was amended to include an ominous requirement, stipulating that 'all guns in either party’s home shall be under lock and key during which time they are not being used.'

She may have just been worried the son would have access to guns but the MSM will probably run wild with speculation

Maine mass shooter Robert Card's former wife and teenage son were in HIDING amid fears killer was hunting for an ex when he gunned down 18 - as bombshell divorce papers reveal he was ordered to keep weapons 'under lock and key'
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12682845/Maine-mass-shooter-Robert-Card-wife-son-HIDING.html

[lee n. field]

Saw it reported as a 12ft jet ski but also he did own a boat in the past.
Seeing some speculation he may off himself in some secluded hidden spot to keep the fear going. Who knows, maybe at sea or a river.

He's hearing voices.  Could be anywhere, for any particular reason.

[WLJ]

He's hearing voices.  Could be anywhere, for any particular reason.

As it was he was found near the recycling plant where he had recently been fired from not too far from his abandoned vehicle .

[WLJ]

And just like that more info on that.
Sounds like they didn't do a very good job of searching not once but twice

The Maine mass shooter's body was discovered at the back of an industrial tractor trailer in an area that investigators admitted they previously 'cleared' twice.

Army reservist Robert Card, 40, was found at around 7pm on Friday evening, two days after he opened fire in a bowling alley and bar, killing 18 people and injuring 13 others.

The body was discovered by a recycling plant that he was recently fired from, just a short walk from where the killer's vehicle was first found roughly four hours after the shooting erupted.

Mike Sauschuck, Maine's public safety commissioner, revealed in a Saturday morning press conference that the manhunt scoured the plant twice, and said officials only returned to the area at the direction of the factory's manager.

He said the location where the body was found was in an overflow parking lot containing roughly 60 trailers, which officials seemingly did not realize existed.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12683037/Maine-mass-shooter-Robert-Card-body-industrial-trailer.html