Execution by Nitrogen = Torture

[Ben]

The UN is stating that execution by Nitrogen is torture. This in reference to the first such execution in the US for an Alabama death row inmate. I recall we have discussed this in-depth here and that most scientific evidence suggests this is actually a relatively painless death, especially when compared to other forms of execution*. Interesting that the UN once again runs to the fainting couch.

https://www.foxnews.com/us/alabama-death-row-execution-nitrogen-gas-could-amount-torture-violates-human-rights-treaties-united-nations-says


* I submit that there actually are more pain free and quicker ways to execute someone, but modern US society can't handle a shot to the head or a guillotine. Other than the fear of seeing death coming, the midget in North Korea likely has more painless execution methods than we do. They're just kinda gory.

[Perd Hapley]

Is this the same UN that's considering genocide allegations against Israel?

[Northwoods]

They're just opposed to executions in non-communist countries.  *expletive deleted*ck them.

[AmbulanceDriver]

My beef with the death penalty is not with regards to how painful it might be to the criminal.  I don't believe the Constitutional guarantee against cruel/unusual punishment mans it should be pain free, but rather, avoids being needlessly painful.

My concern with the death penalty is that I don't trust the government - either through incompetence or through malice - to get it right 100% of the time

[Brad Johnson]

The UN is stating that execution by Nitrogen is torture.

...

I submit that there actually are more pain free and quicker ways to execute someone, but modern US society can't handle a shot to the head or a guillotine.

Ok... carbon monoxide, then. Lots of people die in their sleep from carbon monoxide poisoning so it must be relatively painless. That should make the UN happy.

Also, from what I've read it seems guillotining, while certainly effective and quick, is not painless by a long shot.

My concern with the death penalty is that I don't trust the government - either through incompetence or through malice - to get it right 100% of the time

100% hell - I don't trust them to get it right at all.

Brad

[WLJ]

Has the UN ever come out against lopping people's head's off with a sword and/or stoning as forms of executions both of which are practiced in many certain non-western counties? 

[230RN]

My beef with the death penalty is not with regards to how painful it might be to the criminal.  I don't believe the Constitutional guarantee against cruel/unusual punishment mans it should be pain free, but rather, avoids being needlessly painful.

My concern with the death penalty is that I don't trust the government - either through incompetence or through malice - to get it right 100% of the time

Dead nuts on, there, AmbulanceDriver.

Could not, did not, read the Fox article, but I wonder what evidence did the complainant have?

Apart from the hand-wringing sentiment, I see this (naturally) as part of the long-term strategy to disrupt and criticize anything, no matter how minor, that the West does.

It also strikes me (without reading the Fox article) that some Editor somewhere was having a slow day and told one of his reporters "Yeah, OK, run with it."

Thanks again, AmbulanceDriver.

Terry, 230RN

[Pb]

I'm just going to suggest that detcord necklaces could be the solution here.

[Ben]

My concern with the death penalty is that I don't trust the government - either through incompetence or through malice - to get it right 100% of the time

I think a good number of us here are in that boat. I myself came from, "execute them all" to "only in cases with lots of independent and corroborating evidence, including things like unbiased video proof". Or if the person puts it on facebook or proudly says they did it. If they brag about it, I'm happy to see them dead, even if they made it up for notoriety. Darwin.

[Northwoods]

I'm just going to suggest that detcord necklaces could be the solution here.

We need a like button.

[WLJ]

I'm just going to suggest that detcord necklaces could be the solution here.

Wedlock was a movie where the prisoners wore neck collar explosives that were radio connected to another prisoner and if they went beyond a certain range from each other they would both explode. Who your neck device was tied to was unknown to the prison population.

[Brad Johnson]

Wedlock was a movie where the prisoners wore neck collar explosives that were radio connected to another prisoner and if they went beyond a certain range from each other they would both explode. Who your neck device was tied to was unknown to the prison population.

Also Running Man.

Brad

[WLJ]

Also Running Man.

Brad

Did they? Forgot all about that

[HankB]

Wedlock was a movie where the prisoners wore neck collar explosives that were radio connected to another prisoner and if they went beyond a certain range from each other they would both explode. Who your neck device was tied to was unknown to the prison population.

We need collars like that for politicians - once their disapproval rating among those who voted in the last election exceeds their approval rating, they have a couple of weeks to improve it - if it doesn't go up, they have 1 day to either resign or . . . BANG!

[French G.]

I have gone to euthanizing hopeless chickens with a zip lock bag containing a paper towel soaked in starter fluid. Seems to be the most stress free method.

[WLJ]

We need collars like that for politicians - once their disapproval rating among those who voted in the last election exceeds their approval rating, they have a couple of weeks to improve it - if it doesn't go up, they have 1 day to either resign or . . . BANG!

Be no politicians left after a short period of time. Is there a negative side to this?

[cordex]

I have gone to euthanizing hopeless chickens with a zip lock bag containing a paper towel soaked in starter fluid. Seems to be the most stress free method.

I guess I'm okay with you using that method to euthanize criminals too.  Might be crowded for the chicken with them both in there, but whatever.

[Perd Hapley]

Dead nuts on, there, AmbulanceDriver.

Could not, did not, read the Fox article, but I wonder what evidence did the complainant have?

Apart from the hand-wringing sentiment, I see this (naturally) as part of the long-term strategy to disrupt and criticize anything, no matter how minor, that the West does.

Thanks again, AmbulanceDriver.

Terry, 230RN

And we do their work for them. Now we hold our own state and national governments to an impossible standard of 100% certainty in every capital case, or we don't trust them with the basic duty of executing murderers.

[De Selby]

https://www.ohchr.org/en/press-releases/2023/09/saudi-arabia-revoke-death-penalty-social-media-activity-un-experts-urge

Has the UN ever come out against lopping people's head's off with a sword and/or stoning as forms of executions both of which are practiced in many certain non-western counties?

Yes, many times. But you have to actually read what the UN is writing to know.

Saudi Arabia must immediately revoke the death sentence handed down to Mohammed Al Ghamdi for his tweets and YouTube activities, as the crackdown on freedom of expression in the country continues to escalate, UN experts* said today.

More here:

https://www.ohchr.org/en/topic/death-penalty#:~:text=Our%20work,abolition%20of%20the%20death%20penalty.

[MechAg94]

I didn't know any state allowed the use of nitrogen for execution.  Interesting. 

I guess they know they had better use medical grade Nitrogen NF or the FDA will come down on them.   

[230RN]

I'm just going to suggest that detcord necklaces could be the solution here.

Fragmentation problem with that unless ultra-strong garbage bags are used on the "perp."

Maybe in a sealed room with a couple of floor drains.

Still, seems "cruel and unusual" for the witnesses.

[JTHunter]

This is where the ChiComs have it down to an "art".
Put a .22 bullet in the back of the head of the"criminal", then they bill the family.  Or so I've heard.

[230RN]

We need collars like that for politicians - once their disapproval rating among those who voted in the last election exceeds their approval rating, they have a couple of weeks to improve it - if it doesn't go up, they have 1 day to either resign or . . . BANG!

That inherently leads to tyranny by majority. 

I'd be just for corporal and financial punishment for initiating, sponsoring, or voting for laws that are inherently, obviously, and immanently violations of Constitutional provisions, and for their perjury in violating their oaths of office.

Yeah, I know, but "Supreme Court."  Hey, that's flawed, too.

Terry, 230RN

[AmbulanceDriver]

I think a good number of us here are in that boat. I myself came from, "execute them all" to "only in cases with lots of independent and corroborating evidence, including things like unbiased video proof". Or if the person puts it on facebook or proudly says they did it. If they brag about it, I'm happy to see them dead, even if they made it up for notoriety. Darwin.

Ben that's exactly where I stand.   And exactly where I came from as well.   

[230RN]

And we do their work for them. Now we hold our own state and national governments to an impossible standard of 100% certainty in every capital case, or we don't trust them with the basic duty of executing murderers.

Once again, you seem to be putting words in people's mouths.

For myself, I'm not for "100% certainty and nothing less."  I'm pretty sure that both Ben and AmbulanceDriver recognize that we can only try to approach certainty (P=1.0), just as I do.  For myself, I look at the goal to be "removal from society," though some people would include vengeful deadly punishment in some instances.

They're entitled to that opinion.

Terry, 230RN