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Knife attack in Sydney
« on: April 13, 2024, 09:02:32 AM »
40 year old man goes on a stabbing rampage at a shopping centre (mall?) stabbing multiple people including a baby before being shot by a police officer
Reported 6 dead, unclear how many injured.
Suspect has not been IDed yet but article says he was known to police.

Revealed: Sydney knifeman, 40, who killed five women and one man in Westfield shopping centre bloodbath 'was known to police' and targeted screaming mum and her baby first before unleashing 15 minutes of horror until lone female cop shot him dead
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13303971/Knifeman-goes-rampage-Sydney-Four-feared-dead-shopping-centre-stabbing-spree-attacker-shot-killed-police.html
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2024, 09:08:44 AM »
Getting the impression he was targeting women as the one guy may have been fighting him. Maybe
They're saying it's not terrorism related but a voice in my head keeps whispering Gaza
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2024, 09:25:08 AM »
7 reported dead now
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2024, 11:11:20 AM »
"but a voice in my head keeps whispering Gaza"

You just noticed from the photographs that he looks like a strong, proud person of color lashing out at the unfair repression of white supremacy.

That makes you a racist white supremacist fascist!
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2024, 11:44:11 AM »
"but a voice in my head keeps whispering Gaza"

You just noticed from the photographs that he looks like a strong, proud person of color lashing out at the unfair repression of white supremacy.

That makes you a racist white supremacist fascist!

Too late to change my post to say "obviously a Trump loving far right wing trans-phobic white supremacist since they're the only ones known to do something like this"?

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2024, 12:08:24 PM »
Good thing he didn't have a gun or those people would be even more dead.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2024, 02:11:06 PM »
Good thing he didn't have a gun or those people would be even more dead.
Aren't stabbing murders a sign that more gun control is needed?
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2024, 04:53:43 PM »
Aren't stabbing murders a sign that more gun control is needed?

Clearly.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2024, 05:06:26 PM »
Still all we have is

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"Not terrorism"

My they're hiding something sense is tingling
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2024, 07:14:32 PM »
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2024, 09:17:57 PM »
This feels like crazy incel to me.  At least more than politically motivated violence.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2024, 09:41:06 PM »
He was apparently was targeting only women. Being reported by some he would pass men to go after women. The only guy stabbed tried to stop him. So maybe incel maybe not incel. Maybe time will tell.
I think the part they're trying to bury is that he was apparently on police radar too.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #12 on: April 14, 2024, 12:06:18 AM »
My they're hiding something sense is tingling.

So - you've been bitten by that spider too?  :rofl:
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #13 on: April 14, 2024, 07:25:01 AM »
More than likely not incel, apparently worked as an escort for both men and women.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13306409/Sydney-killer-escort-Joe-Cauchi-sex-work-massacre.html



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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #14 on: April 14, 2024, 07:25:43 AM »
Good thing he didn't have a gun or those people would be even more dead.

Amen! He would totally have killed fewer people if he’d had a rapid fire rifle
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #15 on: April 14, 2024, 10:02:28 AM »
Amen! He would totally have killed fewer people if he’d had a rapid fire rifle

Or, with RKBA, there could have been an Eli Dicken available to put the killer down rather than allowing him to rampage for 20+ minutes.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #16 on: April 14, 2024, 10:14:31 AM »
Or if maybe the obviously severe mentally ill weren't allowed to freely roam the streets maybe this would have never happened especially considering the fact the police were aware of this guy having issues.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #17 on: April 14, 2024, 10:59:12 AM »
I have been reading a lot about Inspector Amy Scott, a senior commissioned officer who stopped the assailant.   She happened to be in the area on other duties, was the first police officer on the scene, was directed by shoppers to the assailant and went after him. After he turned and raised the knife, did not follow commands to drop it and started toward her, she fired once with her Glock. She then administered CPR to him as per her training and requirements.

Many people on the Net and Reddit are suggesting that billboards with her face be erected outside of the Uvalde police headquarters.

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-australia-68806806

https://nypost.com/2024/04/13/world-news/hero-cop-who-singlehandedly-stopped-crazed-sydney-mall-stabber-idd-as-amy-scott/
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #18 on: April 14, 2024, 11:11:48 AM »
While not giving the Uvalde cops an iota of respect, gun vs gun is a little different than gun vs knife. The Aussie cop still gets full creds and props. In the land of gun free zones, the bad guy thought that the one-knifed man would be king, but a bullet proved him wrong.

I totally get her administering CPR. However, not knowing the condition of the assailant at the time, I might have waited for backup so that he couldn't pull a Ser Gregor on me after he was down. He might have already been down and out though.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #19 on: April 14, 2024, 05:51:10 PM »
Or if maybe the obviously severe mentally ill weren't allowed to freely roam the streets maybe this would have never happened especially considering the fact the police were aware of this guy having issues.

How many mass attacks have we read about in recent years where AFTER THE FACT it comes out that the perpetrator was "an individual known to the police"?

I don't get it. I though the purpose of all the spying our government overlords have instituted against private citizens was supposed to make us safer. Instead, it always seems to be just a talking point after a mass killing incident.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #20 on: April 14, 2024, 08:50:08 PM »
I don't get it. I though the purpose of all the spying our government overlords have instituted against private citizens was supposed to make us safer. Instead, it always seems to be just a talking point after a mass killing incident.

Don't be stupid.   The purpose of all the spying the government does on us is to male THEM safer. 

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #21 on: April 15, 2024, 12:32:49 AM »
How many mass attacks have we read about in recent years where AFTER THE FACT it comes out that the perpetrator was "an individual known to the police"?

I don't get it. I though the purpose of all the spying our government overlords have instituted against private citizens was supposed to make us safer. Instead, it always seems to be just a talking point after a mass killing incident.

This is a difficult issue because if you allow for widespread detention of the mentally ill, you give the government the power to go after people with mental issues for example like denying the election result or just not being liked by the people around them. Broad powers to detain people deemed mentally ill are not a good solution.

It just discredits gun rights activism to seize on cases like this and imagine it somehow would’ve been less deadly if it happened with ready access to firearms by all parties. That’s a clearly wrongheaded argument. Mass shootings with access to AR pattern rifles are going to rack up a higher body count than knife attacks no matter what.



The reason these events are rarer in Australia no matter the choice of weapon has more to do with the economy and health system. Welfare states have fewer unsupported, desperate and ill people which means events like this are less common.



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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #22 on: April 15, 2024, 12:38:40 AM »
This is a difficult issue because if you allow for widespread detention of the mentally ill, you give the government the power to go after people with mental issues for example like denying the election result or just not being liked by the people around them. Broad powers to detain people deemed mentally ill are not a good solution.

It just discredits gun rights activism to seize on cases like this and imagine it somehow would’ve been less deadly if it happened with ready access to firearms by all parties. That’s a clearly wrongheaded argument. Mass shootings with access to AR pattern rifles are going to rack up a higher body count than knife attacks no matter what.



The reason these events are rarer in Australia no matter the choice of weapon has more to do with the economy and health system. Welfare states have fewer unsupported, desperate and ill people which means events like this are less common.

What makes you this way?  Have you sought help? Your last paragraph even disputes itself.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #23 on: April 15, 2024, 01:02:19 AM »
This is a difficult issue because if you allow for widespread detention of the mentally ill, you give the government the power to go after people with mental issues for example like denying the election result or just not being liked by the people around them. Broad powers to detain people deemed mentally ill are not a good solution.

It just discredits gun rights activism to seize on cases like this and imagine it somehow would’ve been less deadly if it happened with ready access to firearms by all parties. That’s a clearly wrongheaded argument. Mass shootings with access to AR pattern rifles are going to rack up a higher body count than knife attacks no matter what.



The reason these events are rarer in Australia no matter the choice of weapon has more to do with the economy and health system. Welfare states have fewer unsupported, desperate and ill people which means events like this are less common.





The mass shooter Eli Dicken took care of managed to kill 3 people.  The Sydney attacker killed 7 last I heard.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #24 on: April 15, 2024, 01:19:09 AM »
The mass shooter Eli Dicken took care of managed to kill 3 people.  The Sydney attacker killed 7 last I heard.

The mass shootings that didn’t happen killed zero people. You clearly understand what a nonsense comparison this is.

Mass casualty events where lots of victims are armed still happen, and when the perp has an AR pattern firearm it stands to reason on average you’ll get more deaths as compared to a knife attack. Sometimes a good guy with a gun stops it, but not always, sometimes the perp slips on a banana peel. Cherry picking incidents is what anti-gun propagandists do.

Making arguments that are clearly wrong in support of gun rights does not advance the cause.
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