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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #25 on: April 15, 2024, 07:21:38 AM »
Mass killings (with any weapon) are rarer in Australia because it's a mostly homogenous, high trust culture with a solid first world police force, has solid borders to keep out unwanted stuff and people, and is prosperous enough that very few people are desperate and unnoticed enough to slip into the kind of psychosis that leads to mass killings. (at least mass killings of the kind we imagine when we hear the term).  It has *expletive deleted*ck all to do with the availability of various weapons.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #26 on: April 15, 2024, 08:09:47 AM »
Doomscrolling dumsterfire.com this morning and I see this report of another stabbing in Sydney.

https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1779830784729264395?t=ePRkcyHWTq0qHeemWYCmSw&s=19

Obviously no details but i am interested that the police apparently had to protect the stabber after the initial violence.   The would be victims were willing to handle this themselves.   Despite me calling it a high-trust culture (it is) that doesn't show a lot of trust in the government to handle this to the victim's satisfaction.


Or, because it's Twitter,  it could be something entirely different.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #27 on: April 15, 2024, 08:28:46 AM »
My they're hiding something sense is still tingling
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #28 on: April 15, 2024, 09:19:01 AM »
Mass casualty events where lots of victims are armed still happen, and when the perp has an AR pattern firearm it stands to reason on average you’ll get more deaths as compared to a knife attack.

That may be true... but arson attacks can kill the even more than a rifle attack.

In 2009 Australia suffered deliberatly set bushfires that killed at least 135 people.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2009/feb/09/australia-bushfires

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #29 on: April 15, 2024, 10:30:08 AM »
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #30 on: April 15, 2024, 10:34:19 AM »
The mass shootings that didn’t happen killed zero people. You clearly understand what a nonsense comparison this is.

Mass casualty events where lots of victims are armed still happen, and when the perp has an AR pattern firearm it stands to reason on average you’ll get more deaths as compared to a knife attack. Sometimes a good guy with a gun stops it, but not always, sometimes the perp slips on a banana peel. Cherry picking incidents is what anti-gun propagandists do.

Making arguments that are clearly wrong in support of gun rights does not advance the cause.

And now you are shifting goal posts like a typical feckless liberal.  You said, and I quoted you, bolding the relevant part, that "no matter what" a mass casualty event with an AR would kill more people than a knife attack.   I showed you you a recent example of a counterfactual and your response is to move the goal post to "on average".

As dogmush said, choice of weapon, or availability of various options, means fuckalll to likelihood of them happening or even ultimate body count.  The worst one use usa history I'm aware of the perps used box cutters and airplanes.  Excluding Islamic terrorists, the Bath school massacre used explosives, not guns.  There have also been a number of knife attacks in China that killed more than most AR attacks in the USA.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #31 on: April 15, 2024, 01:20:26 PM »
This feels like crazy incel to me.  At least more than politically motivated violence.

Could well be.  His father has stated he believes his son was very frustrated at not having a girlfriend.  He was also schizophrenic.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #32 on: April 15, 2024, 01:22:20 PM »
Could well be.  His father has stated he believes his son was very frustrated at not having a girlfriend.  He was also schizophrenic.

Reportedly the guy was working as an escort for both men and women according to one of the above links so I don't know what to make of what the father is saying
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #33 on: April 15, 2024, 01:44:39 PM »
I'm getting evil "assault" knife vibes here.

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The father also said he took five knives, which he described as U.S. military combat grade, from his son while they were living together in the Toowoomba family home last year.
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"I said to my mate, ‘Why do I feel I’m going to be killed in my own house by my own son with a U.S. combat knife?’" he added.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/australian-killers-father-reveals-why-son-targeted-women-during-deadly-stabbing-sydney-mall
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #34 on: April 15, 2024, 02:09:37 PM »
Mentally ill, incel. Stabbed women, and the only guy with the stones to confront him.

The obvious solution that will clearly prevent more such tragedies is more gun control. With knife control as a bonus.

Aside - can one even buy pointy knives in (formerly) Great Britain anymore?  Or do they have to have rounded, blunt tips now?

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #35 on: April 15, 2024, 02:33:26 PM »
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The father also said he took five knives, which he described as U.S. military combat grade, from his son while they were living together in the Toowoomba family home last year.

 :O :O

Da Faq?  The Army has never issued me anything besides a shitty ass baynet that cuts nothing and does not hold an edge.  Every unit I know of leaves US Military Grade knives in the arms room.  Maybe a KaBar?  Not exactly a Hitori Hanzo knife there either.

Honestly the most "US Military Grade" knife you can buy is a Gerber Multitool.  We still actually issue those.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #36 on: April 15, 2024, 02:35:13 PM »
Why are some calling him an incel when he doesn't seem to meet the definition of an incel? At least so far.

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incel
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noun: incel; plural noun: incels

    a member of an online community of young men who consider themselves unable to attract women sexually, typically associated with views that are hostile toward women and men who are sexually active.

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: a person (usually a man) who regards himself or herself as being involuntarily celibate and typically expresses extreme resentment and hostility toward those who are sexually active
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #37 on: April 15, 2024, 02:42:51 PM »
:O :O

Da Faq?  The Army has never issued me anything besides a shitty ass baynet that cuts nothing and does not hold an edge.  Every unit I know of leaves US Military Grade knives in the arms room.  Maybe a KaBar?  Not exactly a Hitori Hanzo knife there either.

Honestly the most "US Military Grade" knife you can buy is a Gerber Multitool.  We still actually issue those.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #38 on: April 15, 2024, 02:43:23 PM »
Why are some calling him an incel when he doesn't seem to meet the definition of an incel? At least so far.


It's become a generic term for sexually frustrated young men, regardless of why, or how they identify.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #39 on: April 15, 2024, 02:46:06 PM »
It's become a generic term for sexually frustrated young men, regardless of why, or how they identify.

If the reports of him working as a an escort for both men and women are true where are we getting sexually frustrated from?
His father said he couldn't get a girl friend and that just means to me once girls found out how crazy he was they left. add to that his father may have been completely unaware of his son's line of work. Again if true.
Unless I'm missing something I just don't think the label applies......yet.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #40 on: April 15, 2024, 02:51:11 PM »
I love this meme, that' all.




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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #41 on: April 15, 2024, 02:51:42 PM »
Maybe the escort story is bs?

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #42 on: April 15, 2024, 03:01:13 PM »
Why are some calling him an incel when he doesn't seem to meet the definition of an incel? At least so far.

I was just spitballing based on the reports of him running around knifing women.  That fits with the general "incel" theme of "I'm fine, but these evil women are whores but won't sleep with me for some reason" that  seems to headline the *very* little bit of incel generated online content I've seen.

If he himself was a whore, I hope this does not portend a trend.  The last thing the US needs is all the Only Fans folks getting violent when they get sick of whoring.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #43 on: April 15, 2024, 03:04:34 PM »
Maybe the escort story is bs?

Like I said if true.
Just seeing the incel label getting thrown about and wondered if I'm missing something. Just don't think it applies yet. Maybe more will come out saying one way or another.

If just being sexually frustrated makes you an incel I guess I could have been called an incel for a good chunk of my life.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #44 on: April 15, 2024, 03:17:55 PM »
Like I said if true.
Just seeing the incel label getting thrown about and wondered if I'm missing something. Just don't think it applies yet. Maybe more will come out saying one way or another.

If just being sexually frustrated makes you an incel I guess I could have been called an incel for a good chunk of my life.

I think the key discriminators to incel vs. sexually frustrated is giving up on seeking out sexual relationships, and blaming the oppisite sex for the outcome.

Like I said, I'm not saying this tool was, just that the attack had the vibe to me.  I threw it out there in context with other folks implying political or racial motivation early on.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #45 on: April 15, 2024, 03:23:00 PM »
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:O :O

Da Faq?  The Army has never issued me anything besides a shitty ass baynet that cuts nothing and does not hold an edge.  Every unit I know of leaves US Military Grade knives in the arms room.  Maybe a KaBar?  Not exactly a Hitori Hanzo knife there either.

Honestly the most "US Military Grade" knife you can buy is a Gerber Multitool.  We still actually issue those.

I expect cheap Chinesium "survival" knives
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #46 on: April 15, 2024, 03:55:19 PM »
Mass killings (with any weapon) are rarer in Australia because it's a mostly homogeneous, high trust culture with a solid first world police force, has solid borders to keep out unwanted stuff and people, and is prosperous enough that very few people are desperate and unnoticed enough to slip into the kind of psychosis that leads to mass killings. (at least mass killings of the kind we imagine when we hear the term).  It has *expletive deleted*ck all to do with the availability of various weapons.

Oddly enough, that is one of the points made about Japan as well.
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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #47 on: April 15, 2024, 09:11:22 PM »
If the media is calling him an incel, that's because they think incels are right-wing. It allows them to assign blame, politically.



I'm getting evil "assault" knife vibes here.


https://www.foxnews.com/world/australian-killers-father-reveals-why-son-targeted-women-during-deadly-stabbing-sydney-mall


Those comments about not just military but specifically US military knives sound pretty fishy. He's deliberately trying to blame the United States for his Australian kid stabbing people. Just trying to deflect blame, though, I suppose.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #48 on: April 15, 2024, 10:13:45 PM »
Mass killings (with any weapon) are rarer in Australia because it's a mostly homogenous, high trust culture with a solid first world police force, has solid borders to keep out unwanted stuff and people, and is prosperous enough that very few people are desperate and unnoticed enough to slip into the kind of psychosis that leads to mass killings. (at least mass killings of the kind we imagine when we hear the term).  It has *expletive deleted*ck all to do with the availability of various weapons.

Yeah, mass casualty events happen at a lower rate for sure. 30 percent of Australians were born overseas, so I’m not sure what you mean by “homogenous” - it’s the democratic institution and government support that seems to keep people relatively well off that I see, not any mysterious features of the culture which is hugely impacted by immigration, much much more so than in the USA.

Having public healthcare means treatment is more likely to be available to the mentally ill, and having industrial relations that actually prevent unfair or capricious firings reduces the level of workplace and financial stress that frequently causes mass shootings in the USA.

On an incident by incident basis, though, it is obviously the case that fewer people die when knives are the most deadly instrument available to the average mentally ill attacker. Sumpnz’s point is transparently ridiculous - it’s akin to arguing that an attempted suitcase nuke attack is less deadly than other forms if the batteries go out and the bomb doesn’t detonate. The randomness of specific incidents changes body counts; it’s still absurd to say the risk to human life changes not at all with the selected weapons.

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Re: Knife attack in Sydney
« Reply #49 on: April 15, 2024, 11:25:56 PM »
Sumpnz’s point is transparently ridiculous - it’s akin to arguing that an attempted suitcase nuke attack is less deadly than other forms if the batteries go out and the bomb doesn’t detonate. The randomness of specific incidents changes body counts; it’s still absurd to say the risk to human life changes not at all with the selected weapons.

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