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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #25 on: May 01, 2024, 02:58:35 PM »
So if a situation arises where you need to run a mother *expletive deleted*er over (such as a mostly peaceful but fiery protest) is this system going to prevent that?

Because if so I can see a nice new tactic that will debut in the always delightful and wonderful inner cities where the upstanding members of society sometimes forget they were on the way to church and accidentally hijack and murder drivers. Only accidentally of course.
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #26 on: May 01, 2024, 06:38:08 PM »
Folks are already stopping and *expletive deleted*ing with the autonomous cars using a traffic cone.

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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #27 on: May 01, 2024, 07:08:31 PM »
So if a situation arises where you need to run a mother *expletive deleted*er over (such as a mostly peaceful but fiery protest) is this system going to prevent that?

That's actually an interesting tangent, as we've often talked about your vehicle being your best defense if you accidentally take a wrong turn into an antifa riot.
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #28 on: May 01, 2024, 11:03:35 PM »
I despise the AEB system in every car I've driven that's had it.  It triggers at inappropriate times far too often.

How difficult is it to bypass/delete?
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #29 on: May 01, 2024, 11:46:33 PM »
How difficult is it to bypass/delete?

Enough that for the short time I drove them it wasn't worth it.
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #30 on: May 02, 2024, 08:53:19 AM »
Automobile deaths really are a crisis, a bigger one than almost anything you hear on the news. There's a thousand simple things that could be done to fix it, many of them cheap or free, and guaranteed to work. But in late-stsge America, this is what we actually get...a "solution" approved by the industry being regulated and more or less guaranteed not to fix the crisis.
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #31 on: May 02, 2024, 10:51:32 AM »
So if a situation arises where you need to run a mother *expletive deleted*er over (such as a mostly peaceful but fiery protest) is this system going to prevent that? . . .
You know, putting on my tinfoil conspiracy hat for a moment   [tinfoil] . . .

You raise an interesting point. I can't help but wonder if maybe, just maybe, someone behind this law hasn't thought of that, and considers it a feature. After all, there ARE people in .gov (including, sadly, part of the LEO community) that has allied itself with the thug class . . .
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #32 on: May 02, 2024, 11:21:46 AM »
I don't know if my Tacoma will auto-brake for collision avoidance.  It will buzz at me if the forward radar thinks I will hit something.  Usually it is someone turning right ahead of me.  I am timing it so they will be off the road by time I pass by, but the computer can't tell that. 

The biggest annoyance is with my cruise control.  It maintains following distance and will brake to do that.  That can be nice on the open interstate, but doesn't work well in heavier traffic.  It doesn't always do a good job of only looking in my lane.  The best example is a highway that is curving to the right, but there is a turn lane on the left side.  The cruise control will think the guy turning left ahead is in my lane and start braking hard.  It is somewhat slow to recover and get back up to speed.  So it acts like an overly cautious driver.
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #33 on: May 04, 2024, 05:27:42 PM »
I posted this in the Israeli thread, but am curious how an AEB system handles this:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1786162226493342139
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/05/04/student-protesters-trash-car-that-targeted-them-this-wasnt-an-accident-n2395886

I couldn't identify the car to look up if it had one or not.
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #34 on: May 04, 2024, 06:01:21 PM »
I posted this in the Israeli thread, but am curious how an AEB system handles this:

https://twitter.com/i/status/1786162226493342139
https://twitchy.com/brettt/2024/05/04/student-protesters-trash-car-that-targeted-them-this-wasnt-an-accident-n2395886

I couldn't identify the car to look up if it had one or not.

That is a 2021-2023 Toyota Camry SE.

Per here: https://www.captoyota.com/blog/2023/may/9/advanced-2023-toyota-camry-safety-features.htm it should have auto braking. 

I think I read that Japan has required the system for several years now.

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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #35 on: May 06, 2024, 01:03:57 AM »
Depending on WHERE and what TYPE of sensor is used, a piece of foil or sheet metal to cover the sensor, or maybe, just some spray paint?
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #36 on: May 06, 2024, 07:30:09 AM »
I'm pretty sure I know something that would cut auto accident deaths by more, and it wouldn't require expensive tech to be added to your car.
 
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #37 on: May 06, 2024, 07:37:42 AM »
Don't issue licenses until the kid hits 18.
And rescind them at 75?

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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #38 on: May 06, 2024, 10:22:15 AM »
I'm pretty sure I know something that would cut auto accident deaths by more, and it wouldn't require expensive tech to be added to your car.
 
Don't issue licenses until the kid hits 18.
 
Suburban mommies and daddies would freak.


Honestly? If my kids couldn't drive at 16-17 my wife and I would go nuts.  We already spend all our spare time driving the 2 youngers to sports.  17(almost 18) year old drives himself where he needs to go and him being able to help, even if only occasionally, drive his siblings is huge.

I get the reasoning and the stats behind it. But we already infantilize kids these days so much. 
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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #39 on: May 06, 2024, 12:15:48 PM »
It ain’t kids trying to run me off the road on a daily basis. It’s adults. Often illegals and the shitheads of society running around no license, no insurance, no tags/stolen tags, on four different size donuts and a car made of dents and three or four different colors of quarter panels and primer.

The real problem is the cops and courts not doing *expletive deleted*it about these rolling road hazards. And when they run red lights and hit you, you and your insurance company bear the pain.

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Re: To combat a "crisis in roadway deaths "
« Reply #40 on: May 08, 2024, 04:35:34 PM »
It ain’t kids trying to run me off the road on a daily basis. It’s adults. Often illegals and the shitheads of society running around no license, no insurance, no tags/stolen tags, on four different size donuts and a car made of dents and three or four different colors of quarter panels and primer.

The real problem is the cops and courts not doing *expletive deleted*it about these rolling road hazards. And when they run red lights and hit you, you and your insurance company bear the pain.

In June of '73, a 75 y.o. man in a Ford 4-door p/u made a rolling stop at a yield sign in front of my motorcycle.  In trying to brake, I went into him sideways and broke both bones just above my left ankle.  Two weeks later, when my brother took me back to the PD in that town to collect some of my possessions they had picked up off of the pavement, we saw this "yay-hoo" and followed him.  His rear passenger door was caved in from the bottom to just below the window.
When my insurance company sued him, he swore in court that I had swerved out of my lane to hit him.

He lost.
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