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Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« on: May 05, 2024, 10:13:28 AM »
What kind of contract do you demand for your members when they're instructors in one of the least proficient school systems in the entire nation?

How about a $50 BILLION contract that includes free abortions for union members, pay hikes of 9% per year for the next 5 years, and accommodation for illegals?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-teachers-50b-demands-includes-pay-hikes-abortions-migrant-accommodation


Reminds me of the budget that the local school system submitted to the county here about 20 years ago. It was a down time in the local economy, and the county was cutting services. The school chief was told to hold the line on that year's budget.

So, the schools came back with an annual budget demand that was nearly 60% higher than the previous year's...

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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #1 on: May 05, 2024, 10:32:52 AM »
Is that for 1 year or multiple?
Says the current budget is $9B up from $7.4B just  5 years ago.
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« Reply #2 on: May 05, 2024, 11:02:19 AM »
No, it's a multi-year contract.

They want $50 billion.

Apparently the entire tax base revenue for Illinois, the entire state, was $50.7 billion last year.
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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #3 on: May 05, 2024, 11:57:08 AM »
The Chicago school administration is every bit as wretchedly corrupt as the Chicago teacher's union, and has been for many decades. I got to see some of that when I was a high school student at a Chicago public high school back in the '70s.

I very much doubt honesty, integrity, and serving the best interests of students and parents has improved during the intervening years.

How will they handle this? Well, the current mayor of Chicago is a former Chicago teacher's union goon, so if you imagine a terrible outcome . . . you're probably still being an optimist.

But I stopped caring a while back - the people of Chicago know what they want, voted for it, and are now going to get it. Good and hard.
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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #4 on: May 05, 2024, 01:23:10 PM »
This is one of those conflicts where it's worth remembering you don't HAVE to pick a side

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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2024, 02:01:15 PM »
What kind of contract do you demand for your members when they're instructors in one of the least proficient school systems in the entire nation?

How about a $50 BILLION contract that includes free abortions for union members, pay hikes of 9% per year for the next 5 years, and accommodation for illegals?

https://www.foxnews.com/us/chicago-teachers-50b-demands-includes-pay-hikes-abortions-migrant-accommodation


Reminds me of the budget that the local school system submitted to the county here about 20 years ago. It was a down time in the local economy, and the county was cutting services. The school chief was told to hold the line on that year's budget.

So, the schools came back with an annual budget demand that was nearly 60% higher than the previous year's...

*expletive deleted*ck muppets.

Two decades ago the regional (three towns) high school district serving my town did something like that. The proposed budget was voted down by an overwhelming majority in all three towns, so the school board revised it -- and came back with an even higher proposed budget. We set a state record that still stands -- IIRC, the budget was rejected 17 times before finally passing on the 18th attempt. It showed just how little the members of the board of education cared about what their constituents -- the taxpayers -- thought or wanted. They thought they were just going to wait us out.

What actually happened was that the margin of defeat increased with every failed attempt -- as did the percentage of voter turnout. The following election cycle, some of the incumbent members of the school board declined to run again, and I think several others were voted out.
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« Reply #6 on: May 06, 2024, 12:57:37 AM »
Something I read about a week ago about this said the teachers want a "housing stipend" despite the fact that many of them are earning OVER $100,000 !!!  [barf]
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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #7 on: May 06, 2024, 01:12:45 AM »
Something I read about a week ago about this said the teachers want a "housing stipend" despite the fact that many of them are earning OVER $100,000 !!!  [barf]

Give them vouchers for Section 8 housing.
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« Reply #8 on: May 06, 2024, 09:14:15 AM »
Relevant to this, I just saw a news segment that said only 21% of Chicago 8th graders are proficient at reading. There was a time when the opposite of that, 21% NOT proficient, was an outrage. Chicago may be ground zero for the idiocracy generation.
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« Reply #9 on: May 06, 2024, 09:21:43 AM »
The original article I posted mentioned that statistic in passing.

Apparently mathematics scores aren't much better.
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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #10 on: May 06, 2024, 10:07:33 AM »
I would really like to see some real journalist ask the head of the Teacher's Union how the hell they justify asking for anything more given their current performance.  Let them justify the pathetic education they are providing.

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« Reply #11 on: May 06, 2024, 10:09:34 AM »
I would really like to see some real journalist ask the head of the Teacher's Union how the hell they justify asking for anything more given their current performance.  Let them justify the pathetic education they are providing.


Snerk!

The answer is obvious! There wasn't enough money thrown at the problem, so you just need to keep throwing increasing amounts of money at the problem!

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« Reply #12 on: May 06, 2024, 10:29:11 AM »

Snerk!

The answer is obvious! There wasn't enough money thrown at the problem, so you just need to keep throwing increasing amounts of money at the problem!
Spending ~50% more per pupil than the national average just isn't enough!

This scene could come right out of a Chicago Teachers Union meeting:  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T505YksOJb8
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« Reply #13 on: May 06, 2024, 10:51:34 AM »
When the solution is always throw more money at the problem more money usually isn't the solution
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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #14 on: May 06, 2024, 11:29:53 AM »
I would really like to see some real journalist ask the head of the Teacher's Union how the hell they justify asking for anything more given their current performance.  Let them justify the pathetic education they are providing.
No, no, no, that's not how any of this works.  If students do well, it's all because how awesome teachers are.  If students do poorly, teachers just can't help it because parents suck.

I'm only being half sarcastic.  Excessive credit taking aside, teachers and other school staff have a relatively small impact on the performance of their students.  They can't significantly impact the amount of support and emphasis on education that happens at home, and without that support they are just not capable of moving the needle on the vast majority of kids.  In areas with a culture that values education, teachers will perform well.  In an area with a culture that does not value education, teachers will perform poorly.

It's pretty similar to police, actually.  In areas with cultures that are self-governing and respect the law, Barney Fife can control a town with minimal effort and few issues.  In other areas ...

In both cases, the ones doing well will hold out their success as a reason to give them more money, and the ones doing poorly will blame their failures on lack of money.

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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #15 on: May 06, 2024, 12:18:51 PM »
I'm only being half sarcastic.  Excessive credit taking aside, teachers and other school staff have a relatively small impact on the performance of their students.  They can't significantly impact the amount of support and emphasis on education that happens at home, and without that support they are just not capable of moving the needle on the vast majority of kids.  In areas with a culture that values education, teachers will perform well.  In an area with a culture that does not value education, teachers will perform poorly.


I agree with you there, actually.  Then I'd like them to explain why the taxpayers should spend $50,000,000,000 on something that has a relatively small impact on their students.   >:D

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« Reply #16 on: May 06, 2024, 12:37:38 PM »
I agree with you there, actually.  Then I'd like them to explain why the taxpayers should spend $50,000,000,000 on something that has a relatively small impact on their students.   >:D
Sure, you and I agree, but I can't imagine getting a teacher's union rep to ever admit that there is any problem not solvable by a massive influx of money into school systems.

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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #17 on: May 06, 2024, 03:19:36 PM »
Relevant to this, I just saw a news segment that said only 21% of Chicago 8th graders are proficient at reading. There was a time when the opposite of that, 21% NOT proficient, was an outrage. Chicago may be ground zero for the idiocracy generation.
They could just play old Sesame Street videos and take turns reading Cat in a Hat and get a higher percentage than that.  That is some pretty strong effort given to fail that hard. 
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Re: Chicago Teacher's Union contract demands...
« Reply #18 on: May 06, 2024, 04:36:42 PM »
Excessive credit taking aside, teachers and other school staff have a relatively small impact on the performance of their students.  They can't significantly impact the amount of support and emphasis on education that happens at home, and without that support they are just not capable of moving the needle on the vast majority of kids.  In areas with a culture that values education, teachers will perform well.  In an area with a culture that does not value education, teachers will perform poorly.


My wife, who taught elementary school for 30 years agrees with you.  In recent years with the dot com boom in the Seattle area, she has been very pleased to see the kids from India or who have Indian parents. She lists that culture as one who places high importance on education and expectations of their kids in terms of academic performance and behavior.  She underlines the part about behavior.
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« Reply #19 on: May 06, 2024, 04:38:53 PM »
My wife, who taught elementary school for 30 years agrees with you.  In recent years with the dot com boom in the Seattle area, she has been very pleased to see the kids from India or who have Indian parents. She lists that culture as one who places high importance on education and expectations of their kids in terms of academic performance and behavior.  She underlines the part about behavior.

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« Reply #20 on: May 06, 2024, 04:57:23 PM »
My ex-wife was a high school English teacher. The town she taught in wasn't exactly an inner-city ghetto, but at the same time that town's high school was best known for its football team, not for academic excellence. My ex- was a couple of tiers down in seniority within the English department, so she didn't get (shall we say) the star pupils. One evening she was moaning about how hard it was to get any of her students to read anything, or to write anything.

For reading, I suggested she skip the classics like Wuthering Heights and have her kids read science fiction, such as Edgar Rice Burroughs. His books are written in good English, they're easy to read, and not difficult to follow.

For writing -- on a few occasions she drove my car to work. My car at the time was an autocross-prepped AMC Javelin, i.e. a race car. Most of her male students were gearheads, and most of her female students hung out with the male gearheads. So I suggested that, rather than assign her students to write about something that they didn't care about, she assign the boys to write something automotive. I don't remember what we came up with for the girls, but something related. And the deal was that my ex- wouldn't grade the automotive essays, I would.

The experiment was a success. Kids who didn't know they could write found out that, by golly, they could write. They just needed to be interested in the subject.
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« Reply #21 on: May 06, 2024, 11:02:20 PM »
My ex-wife was a high school English teacher. The town she taught in wasn't exactly an inner-city ghetto, but at the same time that town's high school was best known for its football team, not for academic excellence. My ex- was a couple of tiers down in seniority within the English department, so she didn't get (shall we say) the star pupils. One evening she was moaning about how hard it was to get any of her students to read anything, or to write anything.

For reading, I suggested she skip the classics like Wuthering Heights and have her kids read science fiction, such as Edgar Rice Burroughs. His books are written in good English, they're easy to read, and not difficult to follow.

For writing -- on a few occasions she drove my car to work. My car at the time was an autocross-prepped AMC Javelin, i.e. a race car. Most of her male students were gearheads, and most of her female students hung out with the male gearheads. So I suggested that, rather than assign her students to write about something that they didn't care about, she assign the boys to write something automotive. I don't remember what we came up with for the girls, but something related. And the deal was that my ex- wouldn't grade the automotive essays, I would.

The experiment was a success. Kids who didn't know they could write found out that, by golly, they could write. They just needed to be interested in the subject.
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« Reply #22 on: May 06, 2024, 11:14:08 PM »
My ex-wife was a high school English teacher. The town she taught in wasn't exactly an inner-city ghetto, but at the same time that town's high school was best known for its football team, not for academic excellence. My ex- was a couple of tiers down in seniority within the English department, so she didn't get (shall we say) the star pupils. One evening she was moaning about how hard it was to get any of her students to read anything, or to write anything.

For reading, I suggested she skip the classics like Wuthering Heights and have her kids read science fiction, such as Edgar Rice Burroughs. His books are written in good English, they're easy to read, and not difficult to follow.

For writing -- on a few occasions she drove my car to work. My car at the time was an autocross-prepped AMC Javelin, i.e. a race car. Most of her male students were gearheads, and most of her female students hung out with the male gearheads. So I suggested that, rather than assign her students to write about something that they didn't care about, she assign the boys to write something automotive. I don't remember what we came up with for the girls, but something related. And the deal was that my ex- wouldn't grade the automotive essays, I would.

The experiment was a success. Kids who didn't know they could write found out that, by golly, they could write. They just needed to be interested in the subject.


The shitty books and idiotic assignments handed down in the “traditional English curriculum” that universally sucks across schools is purposefully designed by the school systems to ensure most students hate it.

We never read a single, good book in my grade school English classes. The universal crap, sure. The teachers by dnd large don’t know any better because it’s what they had to endure as “the right way”

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« Reply #23 on: May 07, 2024, 08:23:04 AM »
There were a couple of good books assigned in my English lit courses in high school... All Quiet on the Western Front and the Great Gatsby, but yeah, some of the "classics" we had to read?

Holy *expletive deleted*ck. I LOVE to read, and some of those books made me HATE reading.

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« Reply #24 on: May 07, 2024, 09:31:46 AM »
The shitty books and idiotic assignments handed down in the “traditional English curriculum” that universally sucks across schools is purposefully designed by the school systems to ensure most students hate it.

. . . some of the "classics" we had to read?  Holy *expletive deleted*ck. I LOVE to read, and some of those books made me HATE reading.

I can relate - this has been a problem with reading/English classes for a LONG time.

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Last year I followed the English course prescribed for my two sons, who are in college. The required reading seemed to have been selected for the sole purpose of turning the hearts of young people against books.

In elementary school, one of the books we read was Uncle Tom's Cabin. The teacher was rather upset when a student (not me . . . this time) asked the teacher an unexpected question: How we could go about starting a Simon Legree fan club?

We also read George Orwell's 1984 and Animal Farm. Today, both would probably be presented as a blueprint for the future rather than as cautionary tales.
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