More on Walz's military service

[Perd Hapley]

I don't know how many people have seen this, but it looks like another instance of Walz giving the impression he went into a war zone with his Guard unit, but without actually saying it.

I had the privilege of serving in this state’s national guard. I stood one night in the dark of night on the tarmac at Bagram Air Base in Iraq and watched a military ramp ceremony–a soldier’s body being loaded onto a plane to be returned home.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/08/the-typical-leftist-fantasy-life-of-tim-walz.php

Hasn't he said other things like this, which are not outright lies, but that suggest he served in combat?

[cordex]

Hasn't he said other things like this, which are not outright lies, but that suggest he served in combat?

“We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are at.”

[HankB]

. . . Hasn't he said other things like this, which are not outright lies, but that suggest he served in combat?

A wise man once told me that one of the best ways to lie is to tell the truth - a carefully-selected small portion of the truth.

For example, a colleague's brother has spent a lot of time in Stillwater Prison. In fact, from what he's told me, his brother has been in and out of that prison a lot in recent years.

The rest of the story: He's a prison guard.

[dogmush]

Bagram Air Base.............in Iraq?

I believe that statement is an outright lie.  He has never watched a ramp ceremony in either Bagram or Iraq.

Between that and his BS CSM rank on his House of Rep coins, this guy is really starting to annoy me.

I'd have more sympathy if he had really drunk horse cum.  That's one bad decision.  In reality he's made a series of lies over decades to further his *expletive deleted*it political career.

[Ben]

I believe that statement is an outright lie.  He has never watched a ramp ceremony in either Bagram or Iraq.

I don't know what to believe on the news anymore, but one thing I read was that he was at Bagram as a Congressman. Which means if it wasn't an outright lie, he was purposely making it sound like he was there in uniform instead of a suit. Plus he still got the whole freakin' country wrong.

In the meantime, I saw the wikipedia was actively being edited to remove all Vance's military history. The Soros crew has become extremely active on the mid/disinformation front.

[dogmush]

At this point if I saw a picture of Tim Walz in Bagram, I'd run it through an AI detector before I even thought about believing it.  Although, honestly the details of his deployment ducking are more of a .mil specific sideshow.  I wouldn't expect most folks to understand, or even care, about the details.  Lots of politicians did not go to Iraq, and most politicians lie about their accomplishments.

The more pressing issue is how Tim Walz prefers to use militarized forces:

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1823283076056674626

[Ben]

The more pressing issue is how Tim Walz prefers to use militarized forces:

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1823283076056674626

I missed that during the covids. What an ahole.

[Bogie]

And it's gone...

[dogmush]

And it's gone...

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1823336521845399701

Same post is back up.  I don't know why they moved it.  People need to remember what Walz and MPD did.

[WLJ]

https://x.com/TPostMillennial/status/1823336521845399701

Same post is back up.  I don't know why they moved it.  People need to remember what Walz and MPD did.

I remember that video

[Hawkmoon]

I don't know how many people have seen this, but it looks like another instance of Walz giving the impression he went into a war zone with his Guard unit, but without actually saying it.

https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2024/08/the-typical-leftist-fantasy-life-of-tim-walz.php

Hasn't he said other things like this, which are not outright lies, but that suggest he served in combat?

Sounds a lot like the senior senator from Connecticut, Richard Blumenthal.

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/richard-blumenthal-vietnam/

[WLJ]

TBB giving the dems ideas

Tim Walz Clarifies That He Is Not Stealing Valor, Just Redistributing It
https://babylonbee.com/news/tim-walz-clarifies-that-he-is-not-stealing-valor-just-redistributing-it

[Perd Hapley]

“We can make sure that those weapons of war, that I carried in war, is the only place where those weapons are at.”

That's an example of an outright lie. I'm talking about the more weasely statements where he says true things that lead one to believe something that's not true. Like the statement in the OP.

[K Frame]

Maybe we can get Dan Rather to come out of retirement to do an expose comparison between Waltz's (glorious) and Vance's (alleged) military service.

Went so well for him last time.

[K Frame]

Maybe we can get Dan Rather to come out of retirement to do an expose comparison between Waltz's (glorious) and Vance's (alleged) military service.

Went so well for him last time.

[HankB]

Maybe we can get Dan Rather to come out of retirement to do an expose comparison between Waltz's (glorious) and Vance's (alleged) military service.

Went so well for him last time.

Like an iceberg, no more than 10% of media perfidy is above the surface, 90% (probably more today) doesn't become visible to the general public.

[JTHunter]

A wise man once told me that one of the best ways to lie is to tell the truth - a carefully-selected small portion of the truth.

For example, a colleague's brother has spent a lot of time in Stillwater Prison. In fact, from what he's told me, his brother has been in and out of that prison a lot in recent years.

The rest of the story: He's a prison guard.

    

[zxcvbob]

What was Walz's rank?  Was he an E9 but not CSM, or was he an E8; perhaps promoted to E9 on retirement?

[BobR]

What was Walz's rank?  Was he an E9 but not CSM, or was he an E8; perhaps promoted to E9 on retirement?

From what I understand he was an E8 that was frocked* into the CSM (E9) slot but was never officially promoted to E9 because he did not finish the coursework required to be a CSM. Because of that he was retired an an E8 (MSG).

* That is what we would call it in the Navy.

From Google AI, it is accurate to my knowledge:

In the US Army, "frocking" is a tradition that allows commissioned or non-commissioned officers who have been selected for promotion to wear the insignia of their higher grade before the official promotion date. Frocked officers are not entitled to the pay or allowances of their higher grade, but they are given the courtesies of that rank.

[dogmush]

More complicated, a little. 

The US Army has "Conditional Promotions" (sometimes, depending on policy at the time).  As the name implies you can get promoted, but there are conditions attached, and if you fail to meet those conditions, the promotion is rescinded.  Words matter here:  The soldier is not "demoted" (reduced from one rank to the lower one), the promotion is "rescinded" (the conditions for promotion were not met, so the promotion is invalid, and never happened.

MSG Walz took a conditional promotion to E9.  That promotion was contingent upon him completing the Sergeant Major Acadamy AND completing a 2 year ADSO (Additional Service Obligation).  He pinned E9, and was assigned to a Bn CSM position based on that conditional promotion.

Before graduating the SMA, he submitted a retirement packet, and received retirement orders.  After retiring the MNG HR system caught up with his failure to meet the conditions of promotion (probably around the time the SMA was supposed to have been completed.  The conditions give you X number of months to complete the schooling, but I don't know what MSG Walz's time limit was), and they rescinded his promotion to E9.  They updated his retirement paperwork to show his retired rank, correctly, to be E8.

As far as the Army is concerned, he was never a CSM, because he never met the requirements of the promotion to CSM. 

Also, there is ZERO chance that he doesn't know ALL of this.  the fact that he allows himself to be introduced as CSM and had the CSM rank all over his congressional office and swag is just straight up lying.

[zxcvbob]

Thanks.  There's not a damn thing wrong with being a MSG or 1SG, so why lie about it?  I guess because he was a MSG rather than a 1SG, and it has something to do with being in leadership.

At Texas A&M, one of the cadets in my outfit had a commission in the National Guard when he was a senior.  I don't know what his assignment was, but he had green tabs on his epaulets and he wore them on his cadet uniform too.  The brass -- real officers, not cadet officers -- didn't like it because they didn't have green tabs. 😂  (I'm remembering this from over 40 years ago, may not have it exactly right)

[Perd Hapley]

Walz's only defense for all this was some malarkey about how proud, DAMN PROUD!!, he is of his service.

He lies because he is not proud of his service.

And because he's a liar.

[Hawkmoon]

Also, there is ZERO chance that he doesn't know ALL of this.  the fact that he allows himself to be introduced as CSM and had the CSM rank all over his congressional office and swag is just straight up lying.

"How do you know when a politician is lying? When his lips are moving."

[dogmush]

"How do you know when a politician is lying? When his lips are moving."

True, but as a Soldier, this offends me.  He's claiming my tribe, he should be better.

I know, I know, there are dirtbags in the Army, always have been.  But this still pisses me off.

[Perd Hapley]

Some are saying his actual rank is full bird Blue Falcon.