Non-Citizens as Police

[Ben]

This may be more common than the Twitchy link suggests, as they make it sound like a new piece of news, but Minneapolis has hired a non-citizen as a cop. The video shows a Somali woman, so likely some woke thing there, but the non-citizen is apparently Mexican.

I understand the military takes non-citizens in, but somehow it sits wrong with me that a non-citizen as a civilian police officer has the powers of arrest over me .

https://twitchy.com/justmindy/2024/09/28/non-citizen-police-officer-minneapolis-pd-n2401531

[Bogie]

They had a Somali cop shoot someone a bit back...

[WLJ]

They had a Somali cop shoot someone a bit back...

Was he wrong in doing so?

[dogmush]

They had a Somali cop shoot someone a bit back...

Mohammad Noor.  They overturned his murder conviction and turned him loose like 2 years ago.
https://www.mprnews.org/story/2022/06/27/exminneapolis-officer-who-killed-911-caller-leaves-prison

Was he wrong in doing so?

Yes, he shot the unarmed woman that had called 911 to report a rape in in the alley behind her house.

[WLJ]

Thanks, that jogged my memory

[RocketMan]

They've been hiring non-citizen (read illegal alien) cops recently in CA if I remember correctly.

[BobR]

They've been hiring non-citizen (read illegal alien) cops recently in CA if I remember correctly.

LAPD hiring DACA non-citizens. They had to pass policy so the DACA officers could keep their firearms at all times. Because there are federal laws preventing them from firearm possession off-duty the to hire the previously unqualified.They were trying to figure out how to make them "on-duty" 24/7. It's all a bunch of BS in my book, they created an artificial shortage of officers by treating them like crap and not supporting them so now they have to hire the previously unqualified. ATF weighed in and said they could carry guns as part of their official duties so they are always on duty.

https://abc7.com/lapd-los-angeles-michel-moore-daca-recipients/14303048/

bob

[HankB]

Hiring foreign nationals - mercenaries - and placing them under arms with authority over Americans in our own country - this is treasonous.

I have no issues with nationalized citizens becoming police officers so long as they pass all the other requirements, but foreigners? Uh uh.

[230RN]

This country has been inflicting "death by a thousand cuts" on itself for a long time.

The last scratch may be this November.

This ongoing business of embracing everybody who shows up with brotherly love has been polluting the concept of "we the people."  We have been "securing to our posterity" a legacy that "American" means nothing any more.

Nada.

Press 1 for English.

Terry, 230RN

[Ben]

This ongoing business of embracing everybody who shows up with brotherly love has been polluting the concept of "we the people."  We have been "securing to our posterity" a legacy that "American" means nothing any more.

For a while there, we were able to embrace immigrants with brotherly love after they properly applied for immigration and were funneled through a little place called Ellis Island, where we could somewhat ensure that they would love us back.

I suppose that suggesting Ellis Island be reinstated now would be akin to saying you want to reinstate nazi concentration camps.

[230RN]

^ Agreed

Selection from the famous poem at the Statue of Liberty in New York Harbor:

"...Give me your tired, your poor,
Your huddled masses yearning to breathe free,
The wretched refuse of your teeming shore.
Send these, the homeless, tempest-tost to me,
I lift my lamp beside the golden door!”

We've had enough of your xxcking wretched refuse.

       Stop! Close the damned golden door!

Terry, 230RN

REF: (Poem in total):
https://www.nps.gov/stli/learn/historyculture/colossus.htm

[Hawkmoon]

LAPD hiring DACA non-citizens. They had to pass policy so the DACA officers could keep their firearms at all times. Because there are federal laws preventing them from firearm possession off-duty the to hire the previously unqualified.They were trying to figure out how to make them "on-duty" 24/7. It's all a bunch of BS in my book, they created an artificial shortage of officers by treating them like crap and not supporting them so now they have to hire the previously unqualified. ATF weighed in and said they could carry guns as part of their official duties so they are always on duty.

https://abc7.com/lapd-los-angeles-michel-moore-daca-recipients/14303048/

Does federal law allow non-citizen police to carry firearms even when ON duty? I don't recall any exceptions in the federal law that allow this.

I agree with Ben -- no alien cops. We have enough trouble getting U.S. citizen cops to remember that pesky Constitution.

[Northwoods]

I'm ok with green card holders as cops.  But not H1B's, let alone illegals.

For that matter cops should come from within their general community. Someone from NY shouldn't be a cop in LA.  Otherwise they'll just start throwing kraut theives off Nakatomi Tower.

[JTHunter]

IIRC, ILL-ANNOY is trying to "arrange" for non-citizen LEOs as well.  I don't believe they were limiting it to DACAs either.   

[HankB]

I'm ok with green card holders as cops . . .

Not me, I won't consent to be policed by an armed foreigner, right here in my own country.

Period.

[Hawkmoon]

Not me, I won't consent to be policed by an armed foreigner, right here in my own country.

Period.

Agreed. A green card is a permission slip to live and work in the U.S. legally for an indefinite period. It should not be a gateway to any type, sort, or kind of position involving governmental authority.

[Northwoods]

Green card holders are usually on their way to citizenship.  Many are very fine people. And would be preferable to some natural born citizen jack boots with a badge we have now.

[HankB]

Green card holders are usually on their way to citizenship.  Many are very fine people. And would be preferable to some natural born citizen jack boots with a badge we have now.

Once they actually are naturalized citizens, they're no longer foreigners, and are eligible for every job short of POTUS. I'm good with that.

But not until then.

[Hawkmoon]

Green card holders are usually on their way to citizenship.  Many are very fine people. And would be preferable to some natural born citizen jack boots with a badge we have now.

I understand that many are fine people. My late wife had a green card -- she never became a citizen. Although she was a wonderful person, she had zero understanding of the United State Constitution. The rights enshrined in our Bill of Rights are fundamentally different from civil/human rights as they exist in the constitution of her native country, and she had difficulty wrapping her head around the differences. Therefore, she would have made a lousy cop or judge, or juror.

[230RN]

Or voter.


Hawkmoon said,

"The rights enshrined in our Bill of Rights are fundamentally different from civil/human rights as they exist in the constitution of her native country, and she had difficulty wrapping her head around the differences. Therefore, she would have made a lousy cop or judge, or juror."

Unfortunately, neither do many --too many --of our own natural citizens.  I suspect our legally-naturalized citizens are more familiar with it than many of our population, including Cops, Judges, DAs, and AGs.

Terry said,

"...including Cops, Judges, DAs, and AGs."

The very title of the "Bruen Case" strongly attests to this: "New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc., et al. v. Kevin P. Bruen, in His Official Capacity as Superintendent of New York State Police, et al."

Humph. You'd think someone who rose to the position of State Police Superintendent would be able to read simple English.

Terry, 230RN

[230RN]

Once they actually are naturalized citizens, they're no longer foreigners, and are eligible for every job short of POTUS. I'm good with that.

But not until then.

That's what I've been wondering.  Why can't the DACA people who are old enough to become cops go through the regular naturalization process?

I mean, it's not like after world war two when we grabbed every German scientist we could without even thinking twice about "admitting" them to the U.S.  I understand that many German POWs held here in the States did not want to be repatriated to Germany, and either went through the naturalization process or just "stayed" somehow.

So are there some kind of provisions for "automatic" citizenship, or are we just being rigid in recent times because of all the illegal "migrants" causing BIG problems.  I guess I'm not understanding the immigration situation, and no wonder there's a local law office whose sign advertises, "Immigration Issues."

A couple of hundred "migrants" walking in and also registering to vote while they're getting their driver's license is one thing, but hundreds of thousands of them walking up to the voter register counter and claiming to be citizens ("Here be me car license thing, yo American") is another. Especially since they're practically guaranteed to vote on the socialist side of any issue.

By plan?

"Something is rotten in the state of Denmark."  Ham 1;4

Terry, 230RN

[Ben]

Ben, fellow Kraut, are you familiar with that?

I'm not, but Trump and me like the krauts that weren't captured. 

[dogmush]

That's what I've been wondering.  Why can't the DACA people who are old enough to become cops go through the regular naturalization process?

There is no pathway for someone that received Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) to become a citizen. They can keep renewing their DACA status, or they can get a green card a couple ways (marrying a citizen being the easiest), but since they entered the country illegally, there is no way for them to become a citizen.

[RocketMan]

There is no pathway for someone that received Deferred Action for Childhood Arrival (DACA) to become a citizen. They can keep renewing their DACA status, or they can get a green card a couple ways (marrying a citizen being the easiest), but since they entered the country illegally, there is no way for them to become a citizen.

There is no pathway now, but once Harris is installed in the White House, I am sure that will be resolved.

[dogmush]

There is no pathway now, but once Harris is installed in the White House, I am sure that will be resolved.

That's a congressional issue.

It's been a component of the DREAM act since 2017 or so and has failed to pass.  (The first version of the DREAM act, from 2001, predates DACA which is an Obama Executive Action)