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Oppenheimer movie...
« on: October 06, 2024, 12:07:08 PM »
I finally got around to watching it on Prime video on Friday.

Wow. What a fantastic movie!

Plays a bit fast and loose with some aspects of Oppenheimer's life and interactions, and it fully goes down the road of "Strauss and Teller were responsible for Oppenheimer losing his security clearances," but all in all quite a good movie.

Cillian Murphy's performance was absolutely stunning, very much the same sort of "he's not playing a character, he has become the person" that Gary Oldman put into his performance as Winston Churchill in Darkest Hour.

Oddly enough, Oldman had a small role in Oppenheimer as Harry Truman, and wow, that one simply didn't bite.

In any event, fantastic movie. If you've not seen it, see it.

And, it was a REALLY good workout for my new sound system. LOTS of explosions.
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Re: Oppenheimer movie...
« Reply #1 on: October 06, 2024, 02:36:45 PM »
Heard it bombed in Japan
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« Reply #2 on: October 06, 2024, 02:43:14 PM »
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Re: Oppenheimer movie...
« Reply #3 on: October 06, 2024, 02:47:47 PM »
Plays a bit fast and loose with some aspects of Oppenheimer's life and interactions, and it fully goes down the road of "Strauss and Teller were responsible for Oppenheimer losing his security clearances," but all in all quite a good movie.

That was my take as well when I watched a week or two ago.  It was a few days before the storm moved through this area.  Enjoyed the movie, well worth watching.
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« Reply #4 on: October 06, 2024, 04:22:24 PM »
I was busy with something else, so I only saw snippets of that on the "Story" channel, but several scenes grabbed me.  Yes, it was more than merely playing the part.

Bruno Ganz was the same way in portraying Hitler in the movie "Downfall."

"Ganz received renewed international acclaim for his portrayal of Adolf Hitler in the Oscar-nominated film Downfall (2004)."

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https://youtu.be/xBWmkwaTQ0k


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Re: Oppenheimer movie...
« Reply #5 on: October 06, 2024, 04:38:49 PM »
Heard it bombed in Japan

Actually some Japanese were not happy the movie did not spend more time on their perspective. Really, turn your phone around take a picture and stare at it until the flash goes off. There you go, Japanese perspective!  >:D


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« Reply #6 on: October 06, 2024, 05:06:19 PM »
Yeah, "their perspective..."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Japanese_war_crimes

Many many confirming examples abound even on our sanitized 2024  internet.

Their barbarism was so bad it was even detailed in "Total War," a major highly respected history of WWII by Peter Calvocoressi & Guy Wint.

Hey, BobR, there were two flashes.  Do it again.

Sorry, but I can't get behind the idea that the Japs have any reasonable "perspective" for their atrocities and their two sneak attacks, one of which was a surprise night attack against neutral Russian ships at Port Arthur in 1904.

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« Reply #7 on: October 06, 2024, 05:18:46 PM »
Yeah, "their perspective..."

https://allthatsinteresting.com/japanese-war-crimes

Their barbarism was so bad it was even detailed in "Total War," a major highly respected history of WWII by Peter Calvocoressi & Guy Wint.

Hey, BobR, there were two flashes.  Do it again.

Sorry, but I can't get behind the idea that the Japs have any reasonable "perspective" for their atrocities and their two sneak attacks (one against Russsia).

Back in the day whenever we went to the Philippines we could get T-Shirts made over night. we were deployed to Misawa AFB (Northern Japan) when we did a trip there. Our crew had multi-color shirts made that showed a P3 coming at you head on with a billowing mushroom cloud in the background. It was printed with bold black letters, Made n the USA  Tested in Japan, The skipper told us we could not wear them in public in Japan. :)

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« Reply #8 on: October 06, 2024, 07:12:42 PM »
He was probably more concerned with atrocities against his crew than any negative PR.



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« Reply #9 on: October 07, 2024, 07:04:54 AM »
Heard it bombed in Japan

It was apparently banned in Japan, which I don't understand at all, considering that they saw it in 3D in 1945.
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Re: Oppenheimer movie...
« Reply #10 on: October 07, 2024, 10:10:07 AM »
I thought Oppenheimer was a pretty good movie, but IMHO the timeline jumped back and forth too much for it to be a great movie. Sloppy storytelling in my estimation. YMMV.

This fellow tried to track the different timelines:  https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/18n1py7/oppenheimer_movie_timeline_oc/#lightbox
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Re: Oppenheimer movie...
« Reply #11 on: October 07, 2024, 10:15:53 AM »
I actually didn't have any problem following the various timelines. I thought they were all quite obvious.
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« Reply #12 on: October 07, 2024, 11:50:09 AM »
I thought Oppenheimer was a pretty good movie, but IMHO the timeline jumped back and forth too much for it to be a great movie. Sloppy storytelling in my estimation. YMMV.

This fellow tried to track the different timelines:  https://www.reddit.com/r/dataisbeautiful/comments/18n1py7/oppenheimer_movie_timeline_oc/#lightbox

Indeed YMMV.

I guess people are used to that kind of helter-skelter directing nowadays. I call it "Saturday Night Live" or "Laugh-In" directing, where a one-second scene  would jump to another one-second bit, then to the next and the next, and so on.

This style of direction may be OK for the modern viewer, but I found it jarring to my sensibilities --and this was even before I got senile.

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« Reply #13 on: October 07, 2024, 12:57:53 PM »
Yeah... timeline jumping has been common in movies since... well, since movies began, really. It was done frequently in silent movies for the same reason it's done today -- introducing important aspects of a character's past life that directly influences the present storyline.

It's not new, it's not influenced by Saturday Night Live, etc.
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« Reply #14 on: October 07, 2024, 04:20:03 PM »
I don't mind timeline jumping overall, but I wish directors could provide better clues that a timeline jump is in progress.  Sometimes it takes a bit to realize that one is occurring, and that can cause a viewer to temporarily lose track of the overall story line.
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« Reply #15 on: October 07, 2024, 06:31:31 PM »
I didn't say it was new, nor did I say SNL (etc) was the origin.  Just that it was like SNL and people were getting more used to it nowadays.  I guess directing styles shift with "directing fads," if you will.

Like RocketMan, not that I can't follow them --don't misread me --but if I want to solve puzzles I'll do a crossword puzzle. It's the disjuncts










that are annoying, viz this sentence.  Flashbacks can be done smoothly, as RocketMan suggested, but YMMV, which has to be occasionally pointed out to those who are just feeling contentious








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« Reply #16 on: October 08, 2024, 08:07:59 AM »
People were used to it 100+ years ago. I'm sure 100+ years ago some people were also bitching about it.

As I said, I had ZERO problems with the time transitions in Oppenheimer, so who's being argumentative? The people who are fine with the use of a common device for framing the story so it doesn't turn into a 90-hour-long linear biopic, or those who don't like it because it forces them to be observant and think?

Yes, YMMV, but only if your car isn't stuck in a ditch...  ;/


Oh, and if you'll go back and read carefully, you'll note that I never said that you claimed that SNL was the origin of this great affront to God's creation and man's understanding of the passage of time...

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« Reply #17 on: October 08, 2024, 11:01:05 AM »
And, significantly ignored, is the fact that 100 years ago they had verbal screen shots ("Titles") saying things like "Meanwhile, back at the farm..." and  "Jerry remembers his mother's cooking," and the like.

I guess in a way, that's been partially replaced by the "spinning newspaper" device.

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spinning_newspaper

"Film transition device. At the conclusion of a scene or act, an image of a rapidly spinning newspaper is displayed. The newspaper stops spinning to reveal a headline that reflects what happened between the preceding and subsequent segments of the film story, preparing the audience for what follows. It may be accompanied by other similar tropes, such as a newsboy declaring "Extra, extra, read all about it," or a stack of newspapers being thrown to a street vendor from a delivery truck, and then shown in close-up."
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So some directors recognize this need, and some don't.

We can "debate" this matter of personal preference all day in bone-picking "sophomoric debate" fashion.  I say you can fit 36.79 angels on the head of a pin. YAMV according to the diameter of the pinhead.

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Re: Oppenheimer movie...
« Reply #18 on: October 08, 2024, 11:03:29 AM »
I actually didn't have any problem following the various timelines. I thought they were all quite obvious.
Most of the time - including in Oppenheimer - following it isn't an issue. It's having to follow it that becomes annoying.

Other sloppy techniques in movie (and TV show) production annoy me as well - for example "atmospheric background" sound that drowns out dialog. And it's not just me - this has become SO much of a problem that manufacturers of home electronics have been putting "dialog enhancing" settings in their A/V equipment for years. And the arrogant directors STILL won't take the hint.

And many movie makers have forgotten how to film scenes at night or in dark places so that audiences can actually see what's going on.
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« Reply #19 on: October 08, 2024, 11:21:04 AM »


And many movie makers have forgotten how to film scenes at night or in dark places so that audiences can actually see what's going on.

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« Reply #20 on: October 08, 2024, 11:49:17 AM »
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« Reply #21 on: October 08, 2024, 12:34:00 PM »
Most of the time - including in Oppenheimer - following it isn't an issue. It's having to follow it that becomes annoying.

Other sloppy techniques in movie (and TV show) production annoy me as well - for example "atmospheric background" sound that drowns out dialog. And it's not just me - this has become SO much of a problem that manufacturers of home electronics have been putting "dialog enhancing" settings in their A/V equipment for years. And the arrogant directors STILL won't take the hint.
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YAY!  And something that's starting to get to me is the time-compression techniques to allow more time for commercials.  I'm sure a lot of money has been spent finding out exactly how much compression can be done so that X% of viewers can still understand the dialog.  However, that's not a directorial problem since the compression usually occurs well after release of the entertainment product.

More direct to your objection are home-made videos on windy days and when the subject talks away from the camera. 

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« Reply #22 on: October 08, 2024, 10:05:28 PM »
Dropped a few days ago.

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Re: Oppenheimer movie...
« Reply #23 on: October 09, 2024, 06:23:04 AM »
"It's having to follow it that becomes annoying. "

OK, Mr. Argumentative. :rofl:

Here you go, this might be right up your alley.

No annoying back and forth time jumps, just pure, linear storytelling...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LjCzPp-MK48



"And many movie makers have forgotten how to film scenes at night or in dark places so that audiences can actually see what's going on."

That was a HUGE issue for one of the final episodes of Game of Thrones, the one with the big battle with the Night King. It was so damned dark it wasn't even funny.



So, let's assemble a list of Hank & Terry's laws for movie production.

1. No time jumping, forwards OR backwards. All progression must be 100% linear. Forget to include something and need to do a time jump? NOPE! You screwed up, no Oscar for you!

2. All scenes must be filmed in 100% natural daylight. No more night scenes, no more interior room shots unless fully lit by open windows, no more horror scenes in dark castles, dungeons, or caves.

3. Sound levels must be optimized. In fact, there must be no sound at all. Silent movies only!

4. All characters must carry signs around identifying them and their relation to the main characters. This will eliminate character surprises.

5. Every movie must have a 15 minute intermission every hour. Actually, I could go for that given how often my prostate has me going to the can.


How do you guys feel about color? Too hard on the eyes? We can make up a rule for that, too. Nice, soothing gray tones only?

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« Reply #24 on: October 09, 2024, 07:42:25 AM »
^ I agree with you 110% !

How about you, HankB?  Shall we make it unanimous?

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