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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #25 on: December 18, 2024, 05:48:22 PM »
Update to CA Handgun Roster due to Boland v Bonta (CA handgun roster) and Renna v Bonta (CA Unsafe Handgun Act/Handgun roster) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1457278#msg1457278

One more added to the roster (94 added since Boland 3/20/23 and Renna 4/3/23 v Bonta preliminary injunctions currently 931 on the handgun roster) 👍 - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

[An asterisk (*) next to the model name below indicates that the handgun was added pursuant to the court's order in Boland v. Bonta]

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Manufacturer   Model   Caliber   Gun Type      Date Added
Colt   PYTHON (PYTHON-BP4WTS)   .357 Magnum   Revolver   4.25"   01/01/2025
Rost Martin   RM1C BLACK OSP*   9MM   Pistol   4"   12/04/2024
FMK Firearms   9C1 G3 (Black)*   9MM   Pistol   4"   12/03/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   LCP MAX 13748*   380 Auto   Pistol   2.80"   11/26/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9 UPC 642230267961*   9mm   Pistol   4.09"   11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9 UPC 642230267947*   9mm   Pistol   4.09"   11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9L UPC 642230267985*   9mm   Pistol   5"   11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9SK UPC 642230268005*   9mm   Pistol   3.39"   11/20/2024
Sig Sauer   365XL-9-ROSE-MS-CA*   9mm   Pistol   3.1"   10/30/2024
Century Arms Inc.   METE MC9*   9mm   Pistol   3.2"   10/08/2024
North American Arms   NAA-PUG-D   .22 Mag   Revolver   1"   08/13/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   LCRx-05439B   .22 WMRF   Revolver   1.87"   07/17/2024
Smith & Wesson   SD9 VE-11907*   9mm   Pistol   4"   07/16/2024
Kimber   RAPIDE (DAWN)(9MM)*   9mm   Pistol   5"   07/03/2024
Kimber   RAPIDE (DAWN)(45ACP)*   .45 ACP   Pistol   5"   07/03/2024
Kimber   CUSTOM LW (SHADOW GHOST)(9MM)*   9mm   Pistol   5"   07/03/2024
Kimber   CUSTOM LW (SHADOW GHOST)(45ACP)*   .45 ACP   Pistol   5"   07/03/2024
Smith & Wesson   SW22 VICTORY SKU 108490*   .22 LR   Pistol   5.5"   06/12/2024
Springfield Armory   Hellcat-Stainless HC9319SOSPCA*   9mm   Pistol   3"   06/11/2024
Springfield Armory   Hellcat Pro- Stainless HCP9379SOSPCA*   9mm   Pistol   3.7"   06/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   SP101-05765A   .22 LR   Revolver   4.2"   05/21/2024
Sig Sauer   320XF-9-BXR3P-MS-CA*   9mm   Pistol   4.7"   05/16/2024
Sig Sauer   320X5-9-LEGION-MS-CA*   9mm   Pistol   5"   05/16/2024
Sig Sauer   365XCA-9-COMP-MS-CA*   9mm   Pistol   3.1"   05/16/2024
Kahr Arms   CW90G93/CW90G93N   9mm   Pistol   3.5"   05/07/2024
Standard Manufacturing Co.   S333 THUNDERSTRUCK GEN III   .22 WMR   Revolver   2.25"   05/07/2024
Springfield Armory   XD-M Elite Compact 3.8 OSP-CA*   9mm   Pistol   3.8"   04/03/2024
Springfield Armory   XD-M Elite 4.5 OSP-CA*   9mm   Pistol   4.5"   04/03/2024
Springfield Armory   XD-M Elite 3.8 OSP-CA*   9mm   Pistol   3.8"   04/03/2024
Girsan (Imported by European American Armory Corporation)   MC P35*   9mm   Pistol   4.87"   04/02/2024
Walther   P22 CA (Grey Slide) Grey Grip   .22 LR   Pistol   3.42"   03/08/2024
Browning   Buck Mark Medallion Rosewood*   .22 LR   Pistol   5.5"   03/05/2024
Browning   Buck Mark Micro Bull*   .22 LR   Pistol   4"   03/05/2024
Taurus   2-85621ULC31NS   .38 Special   Revolver   2"   02/22/2024
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 Shield (OD) SKU 14016/Stainless Steel;Polymer   9mm   Pistol   3"   02/09/2024
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 Shield (OD) SKU 14015/Stainless Steel;Polymer   9mm   Pistol   3"   02/09/2024
Colt   PYTHON (PYTHON-SP5WTS)   .357 Mag   Revolver   5"   02/06/2024
Colt   PYTHON (PYTHON-SP2WCTS)   .357 Mag   Revolver   2.5"   02/06/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9*   9mm   Pistol   4.09"   01/31/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9L OR*   9mm   Pistol   5"   01/31/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9 OR*   9mm   Pistol   4.09"   01/31/2024
Heckler & Koch   VP9SK OR*   9mm   Pistol   3.39"   01/31/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   LCRX-05437B   .22 WMRF   Revolver   3"   01/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   SP101-05773A   .327 Fed Magnum   Revolver   4.2"   01/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   SUPER REDHAWK - 05526   .22 Hornet   Revolver   9.5"   01/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   MARK IV - 40187   22 LR   Pistol   5.5"   01/04/2024
Taurus   2-856P39   .38 Special   Revolver   3"   01/04/2024
Taurus   2-605P39   .357 Mag   Revolver   3"   01/04/2024
Henry Repeating Arm   H017BDM   .38 Spl/.357 Mag   Revolver   4"   01/04/2024
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 M2.0 - 14033*   9mm   Pistol   4.25"   11/16/2023
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 M2.0 Compact - 14032*   9mm   Pistol   4"   11/16/2023
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 Shield Plus - 14031*   9mm   Pistol   3.1"   11/16/2023
Springfield Armory   XDM Elite*   9mm   Pistol   4.5"   11/16/2023
Springfield Armory   Hellcat Pro*   9mm   Pistol   3.7"   11/16/2023
Springfield Armory   Hellcat*   9mm   Pistol   3"   11/16/2023
Colt   ANACONDA (ANACONDA-SP4RTS)   44 Magnum   Revolver   4.25"   11/16/2023
Kimber   K6XS Carry   .38 Special +P   Revolver   2"   11/16/2023
Sig Sauer   365-9-BXR3P-MS-CA*   9mm   Pistol   3.1"   11/02/2023
Henry Repeating Arm   H017GDM   .38Spl/.357Mag   Revolver   4"   09/19/2023
Charter 2000   14423 Bulldog (Grip Rose wood)   .44 Special   Revolver   4"   09/19/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-DFDE   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (OD Green)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-OD   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (OD Green)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Dark Grey)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-DBB   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (FDE)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-DAF   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Burnt Bronze)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Blue Jay)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-DRD   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (FDE)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-DTAF   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Pink/Raspberry)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-SG   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Burnt Bronze)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Blue Jay)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-FDEC   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Pink/Raspberry)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-BB   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Dark Grey)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Titianium Grey)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-GRC   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Black)(w/Polished Barrel)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP-FDE   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Black)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
FMK Firearms   9C1 Gen II (Titanium Grey)   9mm   Pistol   3.87"   08/08/2023
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   Max-9 03518*   9mm   Pistol   3.2"   08/03/2023
Armscor Precision   M1911 A1 FS PSA Standard (AS) (57007)   .45 ACP   Pistol   5"   08/01/2023
Sig Sauer   320CA-9-M18-MS-CA*   9mm   Pistol   3.9"   07/13/2023
Heckler & Koch   P2000-V3 9mm - GRN/Tungsten   9mm   Pistol   3.3"   07/05/2023
Heckler & Koch   P2000-V3 9mm - FDE/Tungsten   9mm   Pistol   3.3"   07/05/2023
Heckler & Koch   P2000-V3 9mm - Tungsten   9mm   Pistol   3.3"   07/05/2023
Heckler & Koch   P2000-V3 9mm - Cobalt   9mm   Pistol   3.3"   07/05/2023
Heckler & Koch   P2000-V3 9mm - RAL8000   9mm   Pistol   3.3"   07/05/2023
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   SP101, 05784A   327   Revolver   3"   06/29/2023
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   LCP II 13747*   .22 LR   Pistol   2.75"   06/14/2023
Colt   ANACONDA (ANACONDA-SP8RTS)   .44 Magnum   Revolver   8"   06/13/2023
Colt   ANACONDA (ANACONDA-SP6RTS   .44 Magnum   Revolver   6"   06/13/2023
Smith & Wesson   SKU13331   350 Legend   Revolver   7.5"   05/30/2023
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   MARK IV-40183*   .22 LR   Pistol   5.5"   05/24/2023
Sturm, Ruger & Co.   SR22P-03657*   .22 LR   Pistol   3.5"   05/24/2023
Juggernaut Tactical   JT-9 SSP   9mm   Pistol   8.5"   05/18/2023
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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #26 on: December 18, 2024, 07:37:07 PM »
Starting tracking of Wehr-Darroca v D.C. (DC magazine ban) - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/wehr-darroca

FPC Files Lawsuit Challenging Washington DC Magazine Ban - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-files-lawsuit-challenging-washington-dc-magazine-ban
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"WASHINGTON (December 18, 2024) Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced Wednesday that it has filed a new federal lawsuit challenging Washington D.C.’s ban on firearm magazines that can hold more than 10 rounds. The complaint in Wehr-Darroca v. D.C. can be viewed at firearmspolicy.org/wehr-darroca - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/wehr-darroca

"The magazines at issue in this case are not ‘dangerous and unusual,’ but instead are standard components of the sorts of bearable arms in common use for lawful purposes,” the lawsuit argues.

“Washington D.C. is not exempt from the Constitution,” said FPC President Brandon Combs. “Today FPC continues its work to end these immoral firearm magazine bans and other unconstitutional policies throughout the country.”

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #27 on: December 18, 2024, 08:04:04 PM »
Note: Consolidating all these cases in a single thread will undoubtedly be confusing and tracking nightmare.  I will work on putting together some sort of indexed listing but at this time, not sure if that could be feasible (I don't want to inundate the forum with 15+ 2A/ATF threads  =))
I came up with a tentative solution.

From time to time, maybe on a monthly basis, I will do an updated indexed posting listing all the tracked 2A/ATF cases and put the link in my signature line.
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< Updated tracking of 2A/ATF cases will go here ... Stay tuned >

This way, readers won't have to browse through pages of posts and instead, have ready access to updated listing of 14+ sorting of cases.  =)

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #28 on: December 19, 2024, 12:39:56 AM »
You da man!  I watch 4 Boxes Diner and Washington Gun Law daily to keep up on things, but it is nice to see everything laid out in written form as well.  Your efforts are appreciated.

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #29 on: December 19, 2024, 01:02:33 AM »
Update to Cargill v Garland (ATF bump stock ban -> Supreme Court ruled against ATF) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/atf-bump-stock-lawsuits.921442/post-12986719

DEADBEAT DOJ TRYING TO STIFF WINNING 2A PLAINTIFFS... Gun Owners of America has filed a motion for attorneys fees in the bump stock case and DOJ is seeking to deny them payment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg
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0:00 DOJ Tries to Deny Fees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=0s
1:20 We Must Hang Together... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=80s
2:50 What's Happening... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=170s
4:30 DOJ Trying To Deny Attorney Fees - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=270s
7:30 How This Usually Works - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=450s
9:08 Was This Substantially Justified? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=548s
11:55 How Much They Are Trying To Pay 2A Plaintiffs... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=715s
15:44 Thank You! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_cXbt87Kmgg&t=944s

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #30 on: December 19, 2024, 01:59:33 AM »
Updates to Bianchi v Frosh now Snope v Brown (MD AW ban), Gray v Jennings (DE AW/magazine ban), Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island (RI magazine ban) and other 2A cases - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1457613#msg1457613

Supreme Court Ruling To Permanently End "Assault Weapon" & Magazine Bans Pushed Forward - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wIIxm6cCcBE

- Important developments in ... critical AW/magazine ban challenges that are currently seeking Supreme Court review
- We're going to be talking about Snope versus Brown, Ocean State Tactical versus RI and Gray versus Jennings ... cases are asking for Supreme Court review
- Yesterday the plaintiffs in Gray versus Jennings case filed a notice to Supreme Court that they are going to wave the 14-day waiting period requirement which is required for their case to be distributed to the Supreme Court for conference
- This is being done so the case can join Snope and Ocean State Tactical cases during any upcoming conference which are going to happen in January

- We need to talk about why that's being done and then also just some general implications of what happens at conferences ... in January ... whether or not Supreme Court is going to grant review to these cases
- The biggest case of all three [Snope] deals with a state ban on so-called assault weapons and this case prior was GVR'd by the Supreme Court after Bruen so this is a case that the Supreme Court is already very familiar with
- Snope case was originally set to be heard by the Supreme Court at conference on December 13th but the court preemptively rescheduled the case for a future conference
- Now in the Ocean State Tactical case, Rhode Island's magazine ban, and then also a lower court's denial of a preliminary injunction ... This case, unlike Snope, is still at an interlocutory posture which means it's not a final merits decision
- Gray versus Jennings case is a challenge to the Delaware restriction on rifles and magazines and in this case, the district court denied a preliminary injunction and then that decision was appealed to the 3rd Circuit ... this case is a little bit interesting and a little bit different than the other two because the 3rd Circuit in their decision actually sided with Delaware but instead of looking at the constitutional arguments in the case, they looked at something different ... they looked at the standards and the factors to get a preliminary injunction
- They found that restrictions on magazines and rifles is not irreparable injury and the 3rd Circuit found that some constitutional harms are irreparable ... They said when it comes to the First Amendment context, a lot of the constitutional harms are irreparable, but when it came to the Second Amendment, constitutional harms are not per se irreparable and what that means is that they are treating the Second Amendment very different from the First Amendment [And justice Thomas stated 2A is not a "second class right"  ;)]
- Currently all three cases are trying to get Supreme Court review and recently the petitioners in the Delaware case filed a notice to the Supreme Court waving the 14-day hold, which is required for the case to be distributed for conference; and now they waved that because they want this case to be added to the two other cases that are likely going to be conferenced in January, probably on January 10th
- Now you may be asking ... why are all three of these cases targeting that January 10th deadline? and that's because all these cases want conference before the end of the upcoming term and they want the opportunity for their case to also be relisted at least once and then ultimately granted review after that
- Now, you may also be asking ... why am I emphasizing the relisting of all three of these cases?  why would ... the plaintiffs want their case to be relisted? isn't that a bad thing and you're not wrong for thinking that ... maybe that would be a bad thing because it sounds like a bad thing
- But usually relisting is actually a good signal and that's because there are a ton of Supreme Court analytics and data and tracking on prior cases that show that cases have actually a higher odds of being granted review by the Supreme Court if they're relisted at least once
- ... So where does all this data and ... development leave us in ... all three of these cases are trying to get distributed to the January 10th conference ... relist is a strong indicator that Supreme Court is actually interested in the case
- Typically at the first conference, you ... need ... at least four votes to actually grant review and grant cert to the case but keep in mind strategically you want at least five votes in that case so that you can rule the way that you want
- Keep in mind this is also why after Heller, we saw a huge lag into cases because maybe you had enough votes to grant review to a case but you didn't have enough votes to have the majority to rule in the case
- After that first conference, the cases are then relisted and during that week, the justices and law clerks dig deeper into the case to cull all the concerns that they may have and to look a little bit deeper ... then on the Supreme Court's discuss list
- Now that discuss list is ... list of all the cases that the court is actively considering and it's believed that only about 3% of all cases actually make it on that discuss list
- Shortly before each conference ... Chief justice sends out a list of the petitions he wishes to have discussed after the chief's discuss list has come around each of the associate justices ... may asked to have additional cases put on the list
- The petitions that are not discussed at conference are denied without any recorded vote
- The great majority of petitions are never even discussed at conference and are simply denied without being taken up by the justices as a group
- So a vast majority of cases won't even be discussed by the Supreme Court and that's why a conference is so important because it means that the Supreme Court is actually considering and discussing that case ... to be considered by the court
- These cases are now entering very critical stages and we need to keep our eyes out on the docket and the entries for Snope, Ocean State Tactical and Gray versus Jennings case
- We have to see when they're going to be distributed for conference

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2024, 01:38:45 AM »
Update to FRAC v Garland (ATF pistol brace ban / Backed by 25 states) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/atf-pistol-brace-rule-lawsuits.920838/post-12961235

Immediate Nationwide Block of ATF Short Barreled Rifle & Pistol Brace Rule! Now What? - FPC attorney Anthony Miranda explains decision which strikes down the ATF pistol brace rule nationwide and how the ATF is responding in other cases - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=poECGEm0G44

Stay order - https://www.courtlistener.com/docket/66802066/117/firearms-regulatory-accountability-coalition-inc-v-garland/
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Before the Court is the “Plaintiffs’ Motion to Stay Proceedings Pending Resolution of Related Case” filed on October 28, 2024...

For good cause shown, the Court GRANTS the motion (Doc. No. 114). All proceedings in this case are hereby STAYED pending the issuance of a ruling from the Fifth Circuit Court of Appeals in Mock v. Garland, No. 24-10743 (5th Cir.)

The parties shall advise the Court as to the status of that case no later than seven (7) days following an order on appeal.

IT IS SO ORDERED.

Dated this 20th day of November, 2024.
Daniel L. Hovland, District Judge
United States District Court

- Another huge win against ATF and their attempt to expand definition of SBR
- 8th Circuit recently ruled that pistol brace rule is invalid because the two-step analysis that was used by the ATF to determine if something ... that has a brace on it is an SBR.  That two-step process that ATF is engaging in is in fact arbitrary and capricious
- 8th Circuit found ATF not defining what qualifies as rear surface area and then also not qualifying and defining what market practices are that means that this rule must be struck down in its entirety
- The plaintiffs are now asking for the entire case to be held and ultimately tied with another case ... in the 5th Circuit, Mock versus Gardland case and that case involves a nationwide block and vacature of the pistol brace rule
- In this case FRAC (Firearms Regulatory Accountability Coalition), which is a 2A organization, along with SB Tactical, one of the largest producer of pistol braces.  And then also 25 states sued the ATF in North Dakota.
- In this case, the district court originally denied the plaintiff's request for a preliminary injunction.  Plaintiff then appealed that denial up to the 8th Circuit and recently a three judge panel in the 8th Circuit ruled and found the preliminary injunction should have been granted by the lower court because there was a likelihood of success on the merits of this case
- The 8th Circuit found the pistol brace rule is arbitrary and capricious in its application and therefore violates the APA
- The 8th Circuit came to the ruling by a different conclusion, ultimately the same result but there was a different analysis based on the APA. First ... found that there was a big issue with the two-step process that ATF created which determines whether or not a firearm with a pistol brace on it is actually an SBR
- ATF first focuses on whether or not there is rear surface area that can be shouldered and then the second thing they look at is whether or not there is a marketing and community standard that treats these types of attachments as intended to be shouldered
- In the opinion, the 8th Circuit stated that the Coalition alleges this step is arbitrary and capricious because ATF refused to include more specific metrics on the minimum surface area required for shouldering ... "We agree with the Coalition the ATF has articulated no standard whatsoever for determining when a stabilizing brace's rear surface area would allow the shouldering of a weapon that the regulated parties wish to see more specific metrics does not mean that they wish to skirt or circumvent the law as the ATF insinuates.  They may simply wish to comply with the law by producing or equipping stabilizing braces that do not have rear surface area that allows for shouldering firing of a weapon"
- So the 8th Circuit found that the vague standard used by the ATF talking about rear surface area that could be shouldered but providing no metrics or no additional information on what qualifies as rear surface area ... that was a violation of the APA
- They then also found a major issue with some of the vague Community use and marketing standards
- One of the big issues with the 8th Circuit and what they found with this process is the fact that the ATF is trying to attribute third party conduct and intent to a specific individual so just because someone else would use a pistol brace a certain way maybe shoulder it does not mean that that's the way that the product was intended to be used and that doesn't mean that's how you as an individual will use that
- And based on that, they found that plaintiffs here FRAC were likely to succeed on the merits of their arguments because this did violate the APA
- The FRAC case challenged the new ATF rule but there were other challenges that are currently going on like the Mock versus Garland case and in that case, judge Reed O'Connor in a federal district court in Texas issued a final merits decision, which ultimately vacated the pistol brace rule in its entirety nationwide and that is what's currently protecting everyone nationwide
- Judge O'Connor also found that ATF violated the APA because the final rule was not a logical outgrowth from the proposed rule and that was one of the main basis that he used to strike down the ATF rule
- The Mock case was recently appealed to the 5th Circuit and oral arguments are pending in that case
- The plaintiffs in the FRAC case have now decided to directly tie their lawsuit in their case to the pending arguments and the hearing that are set in the 5th Circuit Mock case
- Essentially what they're arguing is that the 8th Circuit should stay this case because if the 5th Circuit rules against the ATF in Mock and upholds the nationwide vacature of this rule and again that would be applying nationwide, that would mean now that the 8th Circuit lawsuit is moot and the case could be dismissed in favor of FRAC
- And again that would lead to a domino effect where you would get a win in the 5th Circuit and then you would get a win also in the jurisdiction of 8th Circuit and the district court would have to rule in favor of the FRAC plaintiffs
- Interestingly, ATF opposed that request to stay the case because they wanted this case to proceed forward even though they keep suffering loss after loss. 
- They wanted this to move forward because they don't want the two cases tied together.  They wanted them separate because they want to be able to lose in the 5th Circuit, which they likely will lose in the 5th Circuit, but they don't want that loss in the 5th Circuit to result in an ultimate loss also out of the 8th Circuit
- In their opposition to the stay, the ATF argued that although a single district court in another circuit has entered an order to vacate the rule nationwide, that order is not binding on this court and will not necessarily overtake plaintiff's claims in this case particularly because the Court's merits analysis focused in part on the logical outgrowth claim, a claim not presented in this action so the ATF conceded that the Mock decision found that the brace rule violated the APA and that ruling resulted in a nationwide vacature of the rule
- So the ATF for the first time is conceding that there is a nationwide vacature of this rule
- They argue, however that the Mock decision was based on the logical outgrowth analysis and not the arbitrary and capricious standard but what the ATF fails to recognize is that if the brace rule is vacated completely for a violation of the APA, it doesn't really matter what grounds it's vacated if it's vacated nationwide, it's vacated nationwide
- And the lawsuit in the 8th Circuit in the district court in North Dakota is no longer valid and no longer needs to move forward and the 8th Circuit agreed with FRAC and ruled against the ATF once again
- The 8th Circuit ruled that the stay of this case should be granted pending the Mock decision and pending what the 5th Circuit says in the order
- 8th Circuit stated that in its motion the plaintiffs explain why they believe a stay is appropriate.  - - - First they contend ATF does not dispute that the federal district court in Texas has entered an order that vacates the rule nationwide
- Second they argue that ATF does not dispute that the district court's vacature order operates on the status of agency action and thus is not party restricted and affects persons in all jurisdictions equally
- Thus the ATF agrees that if the 5th Circuit sides with the federal district court on the merits, the default remedy is vacature such that there will be no rule left for the plaintiffs to challenge
- Basic principles of judicial economy efficiency and common sense strongly favor a stay pending the 5th Circuit decision on the vacature; therefore, it was granted in favor of the plaintiffs and the case is stayed and is going to be tied essentially with what happens in Mock versus Garland out of the 5th Circuit
- So that's another big loss for the ATF
- What will likely happen now is that the ATF, if they lose again in the 5th Circuit in the Mock appeal, that will make another big domino fall in favor of us the pro 2A side and that would happen in the jurisdiction of the 8th Circuit ... in this ... FRAC case because these two cases in some ways are now tied together
- Now overall the good news is that the nationwide block of the rule is still in place and in this FRAC case and the ATF admits that yes the pistol brace rule is vacated and block nationwide as of right now
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« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2024, 10:17:55 PM »
Update to Gazzola v Hochul (NY CCIA affecting ammunition/FFLs/gun shops) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/antonyuk-v-nigrelli-supreme-court-will-rule-on-states-defying-its-nysrpa-v-bruen-decision.913941/post-12925471

Supreme Court Issues Emergency Order Denying Immediate Block of Firearm Permits! What Now? - FPC attorney Anthony Miranda break down another important Second Amendment case sent to the Supreme Court and denied emergency review - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VCLfDrghFNM

- Supreme Court denied emergency review in another case which aimed to strike down a state's outright defiance of Supreme Court's Bruen ruling and now that denial by the Supreme Court is having significant trickle down impacts
- Gazzola versus Houchul is a case challenging one of the aspects of CCIA (Concealed Carry Improvement Act) which state of New York passed just 8 days after the Supreme Court's Bruen decision and they did that in direct defiance
- This case is different from some of the other challenges because it focuses on the aspect of the CCIA and its impacts on dealers and gun stores and the additional restrictions that is put on individuals who want to be able to acquire firearms and ammunition within the state of New York
- All those new restrictions which were added into the CCIA, the businesses argue that they are a critical component to the right to keep and bear arms and that CCIA attempts to regulate them out of existence
- Now in Bruen, the Supreme Court struck down New York's prior "May Issue" CCW licensing scheme finding that it was inconsistent with this nation's history and tradition; however, despite that decision, New York rushed through the Concealed Carry Improvement Act known as CCIA which made the permit scheme even worse than the one that existed prior to Bruen but it also had some major impacts on gun stores within the state and it added additional requirements on the background checks of ammunition, the access to firearms, additional permit restrictions
- These businesses are challenging how the CCIA's regulations are currently preventing them from being able to sell semi-automatic rifles since the new semi-auto rifle license requirement under the CCIA is not yet available when they filed this lawsuit.  They claimed that the entire inventory of their rifles were trapped from being sold because of the CCIA and when it was implemented
- They're also challenging the CCIA's background check requirement and they claim that all of these additional restrictions have created a drastic drop in all of their sales which is leading them to suffer significant monetary loss and also there is a significant barrier of entry for individuals who want to exercise the right to keep in bear arms
- Plaintiffs filed their lawsuit in the Northern District of New York ... it's a federal district court and in the lawsuit they argue that the CCIA does violate various constitutional rights including the 2nd, 5th and 14th Amendments
- They alleged that as dealers and their engagement in the lawful stream of firearms commerce is interwoven with the fundamental individual right to keep and bear arms
- They argue that this law was designed in a way to make them incapable of being in compliant and therefore was actually passed with the goal of stripping them of their operating licenses and to place criminal charges on them and to essentially regulate them out of existence
- Plaintiffs wanted TRO, a temporary restraining order and they also asked for a preliminary injunction but both were denied by the district court
- Plaintiffs then submitted an interlocutory appeal up to the 2nd Circuit and the plaintiff sought for the 2nd Circuit to find the denial of the TRO and the preliminary injunction were both in error however the three judge panel in the 2nd Circuit denied their appeal saying the lower court weighed the applicable factors and they also found the district court was correct in denying the TRO and the preliminary injunction
- Plaintiffs then decided to file an emergency application to the United States Supreme Court and they wanted the Supreme Court to reverse what the 2nd Circuit said and ultimately allow a TRO and a preliminary injunction to be put on this aspect of the CCIA
- The emergency application was filed to justice Sotomayor but was sent to the full court and ultimately emergency application was denied
- There was also a secondary challenge in this case where the plaintiffs decided to file a Writ of Certiorari before judgment to the Supreme Court so they had an emergency application which related to the TRO/preliminary injunction and then they also filed for a Writ of Certiorari
- What that means is that plaintiffs sought for the Supreme Court to review the entire case and rule on the actual merits of this lawsuit before the 2nd Circuit could review and decide the case on their own
- That Writ of Certiorari was actually denied by the Supreme Court as well
- Case then moved forward at the 2nd Circuit and on review upheld the discourse denial of the preliminary injunction and the TRO
- The 2nd Circuit found that there was not a likelihood of success on the merits of the case because the gun stores could not show that the public at large was harmed by the additional ammo background checks requirements in all the additional requirements that were put in place through the CCIA
- After that 2nd Circuit ruling, the case was sent back down to the district court and the case was supposed to head towards an actual ruling on the merits so a full review of the case; however, now the state of New York is asking for the district court to dismiss the entire case right here and now based on what the 2nd Circuit said in their decision
- New York also asked for the judge here to stay all other discoveries proceedings until the judge rules on this motion to dismiss
- Judge has granted that request so there was a stay placed on the merits hearing and the collection of discovery and now this case is moving forward for a review of that motion to dismiss so the trickle down impact of that Supreme Court denial of the emergency request in both attempts is now impacting what is happening at the district court level
- District court is now moving to dismiss the entire case right here and now because the 2nd Circuit ruled the way that we all knew that they would, the Supreme Court did not get involved at an emergency stage at an interlocutory posture
- And instead of this case moving towards an actual merits review at the lower court level now it's moving towards potentially being completely thrown out and dismissed
- Now this of course would impact so many gun owners in New York who are subject to these additional restrictions when purchasing firearms and ammunition and all the other restrictions that are put in place through CCIA
- We're now going to wait and see how the district court rules and some of the briefs that are filed on this motion to dismiss and how the plaintiffs here respond to this

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #33 on: December 21, 2024, 12:23:23 AM »
The people behind these suits need to stop all the interlocutory requests for stays, reviews, whatever.  SCOTUS almost never considers them, and the gun hating appeals courts always shoot them down.  It's a waste of time and money.  Seems it would be better to get a final judgement ASAP, then appeal.

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« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2024, 12:34:14 AM »
I am in agreement, particularly for some 2A cases in anti-2A Circuits as appealing them to circuit courts won't do much and doing emergency application to Supreme Court for interlocutory review is unlikely as justices have already expressed they want cases to arrive for review after final merits decisions.

But for some 2A cases in pro-2A district/circuit courts, favorable TRO/preliminary injunction/stays have been granted to provide immediate relief for gun owners/businesses/organizations/members.
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« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2024, 12:51:16 AM »
Review All of CRPA's 2024 Legal Battles - CRPA's President Chuck Michel come on to discuss the origin and 2024 progression of all High profile CRPA Lawsuits. You might be Surprised! Let's Review All of CRPA's 2024 Legal Battles. 2025 will be a wild year for CRPA Lawsuits - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA
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01:43 - 2024 Overall - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=103s
05:51 - Jaymes v. Maduros 11% tax - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=351s
09:07 - CRPA v. City of LA - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=547s
15:41 - May v. Bonta - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=941s
19:55 - Richards v. Newsom - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=1195s
22:49 - Boland v. Bonta - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=1369s
27:12 - Rhode v. Bonta and Duncan v. Bonta - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=1632s
32:46 - Jr Sport Magazine v. Bonta - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=1966s
37:06 - B&L Production v. Newsom - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=2226s
40:14 - Final thoughts and thoughts going forward - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0J-XNwqCOVA&t=2414s

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« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2024, 05:48:28 PM »

Adding to update of Gray v Jennings (DE AW/magazine ban) related to Bianchi v Frosh now Snope v Brown (MD AW ban) and Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island (RI magazine ban) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458135#msg1458135

SCOTUS 2A CASE FINALLY LEADS TO AR-15 BAN SHOWDOWN... The final legal brief in the Gray vs Jennings 2A case before the Supreme Court was filed ... Mark Smith analyses the brief - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg
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3:50 Last Reply Brief Filed - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg&t=230s
5:00 What SCOTUS Is Ruling On - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg&t=300s
7:07 2A Plaintiffs Argument About Irreparable Harm - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg&t=427s
8:50 The 9th Circuit Is Actually Good On This Issue... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg&t=530s
10:50 Delaware's Anti-Gun Argument... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg&t=650s
12:30 This Should Be Obvious... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg&t=750s
14:47 2A Plaintiffs Blast Anti-Gunners - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jVO6kc9iDhg&t=887s
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« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2024, 08:20:07 PM »
Adding to previous post regarding efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1457720#msg1457720

- GOA's plan to abolish the ATF - https://www.gunowners.org/na08222022/
- VP elect Vance supports abolishing the ATF - https://www.gunowners.org/2024-presidential-voter-guide/#vance

GOA working with Trump Admin to Protect & Restore 2A Freedoms - https://www.gunowners.org/na121024/
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Specifically, GOA is targeting Biden’s Office of Gun Control for extinction.

This office has been dedicated to restricting firearms freedoms and must be eliminated on Day 1 of the new Trump administration.

GOA is pushing to replace the gun control office with a specialized White House team that will prepare recommendations to support a real effort to reduce violent crime—one that doesn’t involve banning or regulating firearms.

GOA’s chief lobbyist, Aidan Johnston, recently published these and other recommendations for the incoming Trump administration in The Washington Times. Other media outlets have followed suit and parroted these recommendations for their viewers.

Tiffany of GOA’s One in the Chamber program says in an upcoming video that will be posted soon: “Gun owners have to push Republicans to take [pro-gun] actions—or else the Democrats are going to kick start the gun control debate on their own terms and pressure President Trump to ban the next bump stock.”

I also appeared on multiple TV shows laying out GOA’s pro-gun agenda for next year like passing concealed carry reciprocity, deregulating suppressors, eliminating ATF’s illegal gun registry, and repealing Biden’s executive gun controls.

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On Newsmax’s Frontline: 2A Tuesday with Carl Higbie - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoJHRMPdJ20

And on America First with Sebastian Gorka - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKP5GhnnnuQ
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« Reply #38 on: December 22, 2024, 04:27:40 PM »
Adding to Bruen methodology applied to other 2A cases - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/supreme-court-ruled-bruen-methodology-text-history-tradition-burden-shifting-to-states-as-law-of-the-land-how-will-this-apply-to-future-2a-cases.931586/page-5#post-12949242

Constitutional attorney Mark Smith goes into details of when, how and why historical analogue "LAWS ON THE BOOKS" are qualified for the Bruen test in new 55 page article titled "Dangerous, but not Unusual: Mistakes Commonly Made by Courts in Post-Bruen Litigation" - https://www.law.georgetown.edu/public-policy-journal/wp-content/uploads/sites/23/2024/10/GT-GLPP240029.pdf

Mark Smith's previous article "Much Ado About Nothing: Rahimi Reinforces Bruen and Heller" - https://journals.law.harvard.edu/jlpp/much-ado-about-nothing-rahimi-reinforces-bruen-and-heller-mark-w-smith/

DANGEROUS BUT NOT UNUSUAL: Mistakes Courts Make Post Bruen... Major Pro-2A arguments just released and discussed by Mark Smith in the Georgetown Journal of Law and Public Policy
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6:50 Historical Analogue Laws & What To Look At... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuaOZsiYbVY&t=410s
10:36 Not All History Is Created Equal - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuaOZsiYbVY&t=636s
12:20 Other Conditions For Analogue Laws & Dicta - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZuaOZsiYbVY&t=740s
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« Reply #39 on: December 23, 2024, 12:32:08 PM »
Update to Rhode v Bonta (CA ammunition ban) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1457255#msg1457255

Oral arguments at the 9th Circuit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qBHBxdkgZeU

Attorney Sean Brady of Michel & Associates discuss oral arguments - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKwG3PYYd0g

Supreme Court 6-3 Decision Changes Second Amendment & Ammo Ban Fight Forever! - FPC attorney Anthony Miranda discuss critical case and hearing impacted by the Supreme Court's recent decisions - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CNCy6Ie7vgg

- 9th Circuit heard oral arguments in the California ammo ban case Rhode versus Bonta
- My general feeling out of these arguments is I think we are actually going to get a win in this case ... at least ... 2 to 1 win in our favor
- Case deals with California's restrictions on purchase of ammunition and background check
- This law also restricts ... purchase ... online ... also couldn't ... import
- Judge Benitez on original review of case in the district court found this law ... violate the Second Amendment
- After ruling CA appealed to the 9th Circuit but ruling of the panel ... was put on hold because Supreme Court was set to rule in Bruen
- As result of Bruen, cases ... pending at the 9th Circuit were sent back down to lower courts for reconsideration
- This case was sent back down to judge Benitez who pretty much issued the same decision but with even stronger support because of Bruen
- Of course, CA once again appealed to the 9th Circuit with a stay from the 9th Circuit
- Three judge panel heard arguments ... pro-2A judges Ikuta and Bade and judge Bybee
- Arguments were dominated by questions from judge Bybee ... in the minority ... maybe going to write a dissent ... concerned about whether or not this is a proper facial challenge
- Interesting because I don't think CA really contested this as ... improper facial challenge ... judge Bybee also brought up whether there are any plaintiffs in this case who actually have standing ... you know pretty much ... alarm bells ... they're trying to wiggle their way out of this case ... really not rule on the merits of the case and just try to find a way to punt the issue
- Interestingly judge Bybee also brought up the dormant commerce clause which again signals that he doesn't want to rule on the 2A issue and he's just trying to find a way out of this case
- When it comes to the dormant commerce clause, there is an issue here because you have CA essentially discriminating against out of state sellers of ammunition because in CA, all importers of ammunition, unless there is an exemption, they have to go through an FFL ... they have to go through a physical retail face-to-face transaction ... You can't ship directly to individuals and it kind of creates this funnel where all sales have to go through local gun stores
- Again it's interesting that he brought that up because that again signals that he just doesn't want to rule on the pro-2A issue
- Pro-2A judge Ikuta, she asked about why there is a background check every time versus maybe one-year permit for ammunition ...she is saying you know ... CA ... could this not be a violation of the Second Amendment if you're having a restriction on the purchase of ammunition every single time
- She was questioning why does CA need an ammunition background check when there's already a general firearms background check you know ... kind ... additional burden ... how is it meeting the government's interest? Is it even going to solve what CA is claiming so she was very skeptical of the purpose that CA is saying ... why they need the ammunition background check
- Judge Bade also asked about CA's best historical basis for these types of restrictions on ammunition and CA said that the oath laws were the best analogues but many of the judges actually found a hard time drawing that connection
- A lot of the judges found an issue with saying that while swearing an oath through the country was then a proper analogue to a background check every single time you want to purchase an item and then also they said well the oath was kind of a one time deal ... it was a once and done thing that a person would do historically but here you're saying that justifies a background check for every single purchase multiple times, not just a one-time deal
- Last thing that's very interesting was ... the Bruen footnote about shall issue CCW schemes ... Justice Kavanaugh in his concurrence talking about how shall issue CCW permits were potentially not a violation of the Second Amendment but again that was kind of dicta ... it's in the concurrence it's not in the majority ... no court yet has extended that aspect of Bruen to other types of permit systems or other types of shall issue schemes
- Bruen dealt primarily with CCW permits but this deals with a background check for ammunition so to say that Bruen footnote applies here directly to ammunition background checks and then also the importation restrictions is a big leap that CA is making
- So overall, very interesting arguments
- My general sense coming out of the oral arguments is that we will get a 2 to 1 win I think it's going to be judges Ikuta and Bade ruling in favor upholding judge Benitez's decision finding that this does violate the Second Amendment
- I think that judge Bybee maybe will write a dissent or if he does rule in our favor maybe he's going to rule on a more limited scope saying that this violates the dormant Commerce Clause and find a way to not actually rule Pro-2A
- But regardless, this is going to get appealed to the En Banc panel and potentially even make its way up to the Supreme Court at some point

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« Reply #40 on: December 23, 2024, 06:27:20 PM »
Update to Range v Garland (nonviolent felon RKBA) - https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2024/10/10/third-circuit-appears-ready-to-restore-2a-rights-to-pennsylvania-man-n1226527

- In Rahimi to maintain RKBA protection of "We the People" even if "the People" are not good all the time and government to disarm "the People" only "temporarily" when violent
- And soon in Range to maintain RKBA protection of "We the People" for non-violent not so good "the People"

Great news!

In US v Rahimi, the Supreme Court ruled the government could not disarm even violent felon of "We the People" and could only temporarily disarm after court ruling and must restore Second Amendment RKBA once not actively violent.  In Range v Garland, 3rd Circuit En Banc panel ruled government could not disarm nonviolent felon.

MASSIVE BREAKING 2A VICTORY JUST NOW: FEDERAL APPEALS COURT RULES FOR 2A IN MAJOR FIGHT - Mark Smith highlights US Court of Appeals ruling in favor of nonviolent felon Bryan Range on the 2nd Amendment (Full analysis of 164 page ruling to follow soon) - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gokkiOtmins

- Major breaking news
- United States court of appeals for the 3rd Circuit covering Delaware, Pennsylvania and New Jersey has just ruled En Banc that nonviolent felon Bryan Range is entitled to Second Amendment rights and that federal gun control law 18 USC 922 (g)(1) as applied to nonviolent felon Bryan Range is unconstitutional under the Second Amendment
- This is a major victory for the Second Amendment
- Most importantly, this is what the court said in summary of why they ruled for Bryan Range
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- This is a huge victory for nonviolent felons because as you know what's been going on is the Congress and the states have been playing games broadly defining all sorts of nonsense as felonies which means that people that are convicted of things they shouldn't be convicted ... you should behave ... you should follow the law
- Of course, but the reality is some people get convicted of nonsense crimes and next thing you know they've lost their right to keep and bear arms forever, for their entire lives because that's what 18 USC 922 (g)(1) basically provides that if you've been convicted of a, quote unquote, felony as defined by federal law, which is not always the same as you might think ... by the way it's a lot broader than you would think, you lose your Second Amendment rights for life
- Bryan Range who was convicted ... two decades ago or so of lying on a welfare application or a food stamp application ... by failing to disclose, I believe certain income that he had earned, was convicted of a misdemeanor under Pennsylvania law and this deprived him because that definition of felony under federal law somehow was satisfied by the conviction under this Pennsylvania statute
- So he lost his right to keep and bear arms for life.  He challenged it said this violates the Second Amendment rights ... there is no historical tradition that prevents a nonviolent felon from being able to carry guns
- Keep in mind that the text is satisfied here because the right of "the people" to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed
- If you are telling a member of "the people" which Bryan Range undeniably is as an American citizen, that he cannot possess firearms, he obviously is being denied textually his right to keep, which means to possess and his right to carry, which means to bear or the right to bear which means to carry
- He's being denied that and since he's part of "the people" which is what the court said here because he's an American citizen, textually it satisfies the gun control law, violates the text and that shifts the burden to the government
- And the government has to come forth with a long-standing tradition going back to the founding of some basis for denying Bryan Range as a nonviolent felon the right to carry guns for the rest of his life
- Now this court basically said no can do, in a powerful decision by long-standing court of appeals judge Thomas Hardiman who, by the way was on the short list to be on the US Supreme Court, he wrote this powerful decision in support of the Second Amendment
- There's several things to note about this opinion
- First is this just illustrates the point that ... the Supreme Court's decision in Rahimi was narrowly focused on very specific facts and that did not alter the prior decision in favor of Mr. Range in the 3rd Circuit because this was remanded to the 3rd Circuit to be reconsidered in light of Rahimi
- And the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals here reaffirmed its holding in the first Range case say you know nothing about Rahimi changes any of this nonviolent felon cannot be disarmed for life ... period ... full stop

- The other interesting that every single ... listen carefully ... every single Joe Biden appointee to the 3rd Circuit voted in favor of the Second Amendment and in favor of Bryan Range here ... you heard me right ... that every appointee ... by Biden to the 3rd Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in favor of Bryan Range ... in favor of the Second Amendment and against the government
- ... Back to the point I've been making on this channel that Rahimi is not bad for the Second Amendment ... Rahimi is good for the Second Amendment ... I know it sounds counter-intuitive
- But as I've explained to you, there's always two things in Supreme Court cases to look at.  Who wins the case, that's very important of course but also how they win or how they lose the case
- And I explained to you and I said this repeatedly even in the Harvard Journal of Law and Public Policy the Rahimi is not bad for the Second Amendment
- ... This my initial knee-jerk reaction ... we want president Donald Trump and his Department of Justice, his solicitor general to seek cert of this case because I think the fact pattern presented by this case is very favorable to the Second Amendment and I think that Donald Trump's DOJ should seek cert here
- Maybe when they get before The Supreme Court they can acknowledge that this particular case should be affirmed
- They can ... they can essentially concede error ... confess error ... something like that ... it maybe a little tricky procedurally because I think the Trump administration is going to be pro Second Amendment but nevertheless, I think this would be a good vehicle to get before the Supreme Court
because Bryan Range is like the anti Mr. Rahimi where Mr. Rahimi was involved in multiple shootings and was a real, based on the record, not a nice person obviously
- Bryan Range is the polar opposite of that and as you know bad facts make bad law but sometimes good facts make good law
- I think Bryan Range in this particular case helps the Second Amendment and I think it would be good if the Supreme Court granted cert and heard this case
- That's going to require the Department of Justice to seek cert because the government lost this case and they are the only people with standing to seek cert to the US Supreme Court ... But again, I can change my opinion
- ... I'll read this, it's like 164 pages ... I was only able to skim through it.  I'm going to have to read this much more carefully and report on it, you know after Christmas
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« Reply #41 on: December 23, 2024, 11:02:38 PM »
Adding to update to Range v Garland (nonviolent felon RKBA) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458705#msg1458705

Great news!

In US v Rahimi, the Supreme Court ruled the government could not disarm even violent felon of "We the People" and could only temporarily disarm after court ruling and must restore Second Amendment RKBA once not actively violent.  In Range v Garland, 3rd Circuit En Banc panel ruled government could not disarm nonviolent felon.

MAJOR NEWS! Supreme Court 8-1 Gun Possession Ruling Strikes Down Another Second Amendment Ban! - FPC attorney Anthony Miranda break down how the recent Supreme Court possession decision and GVR just resulted in another huge Second Amendment win - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V8faibeuYH4

- We just got an early Christmas gift
- The federal law which prohibits nonviolent felons from possessing firearms has once again been ruled unconstitutional

- Case we're going to be talking about is Range versus Garland and we just got a huge decision this morning from the 3rd Circuit En Banc panel
- This range case involves a challenge to the federal laws which essentially prohibit someone with a nonviolent felony or potentially a misdemeanor equivalent from being able to own, possess or acquire firearms, and this is the lifetime ban, that is currently in place on these individuals
- Range case interplays with a different case which is the Rahimi case and the Rahimi case was recently ruled on by the Supreme Court in an 8 to1 decision
- In the Rahimi case, the Supreme Court upheld the federal law which restricted the possession of firearms for someone who is subject to a domestic violence restraining order but in the the Rahimi case that was focused primarily on temporary restrictions
- The Supreme Court believed that there were historical principles that supported that type of temporary restriction and so that's why they ruled that way in Rahimi and because of that decision in Rahimi, the Range case was then sent back down to 3rd Circuit En Banc panel for a new decision in light of what they just said in Rahimi
- And this morning the 3rd Circuit once again ruled that as applied to Mr. Rahimi, this federal law is unconstitutional because Mr. Rahimi is still among "the people" mentioned in the Second Amendment - So let's talk about some of the important points of this decision and what is going to happen now going forward
- 26 years ago, Mr. Range was convicted of concealing some of his income so that he could obtain additional food stamps for his family ... essentially he simply made a false statement on a federal form to get food stamps and because of that one lie on a federal form, he was charged and convicted of a Class One misdemeanor in Pennsylvania which became a felony equivalent for federal purposes
- And he is barred forever from being able to purchase, possess, acquire or potentially even use firearms forever
- Mr. Range brought this lawsuit originally before a federal district court in Pennsylvania and it was against the attorney general and the ATF
- However, federal court ruled in favor of the federal government and they ruled on a motion for summary judgment
- Mr. Range appealed up to the 3rd Circuit and on review, a three judge panel issued an opinion upholding the lower course decision citing to Bruen
- So the 3rd Circuit three judge panel found that his misdemeanor, although nonviolent, qualified under 922 (g)(1) and therefore excluded him from the class of the people afforded the right to keep and bear arms so they ruled against Mr. Range and found that he was not among "the people"
- Mr. Range did not quit there which good for us and he sought En Banc panel review in the 3rd Circuit and for the first time on review, the En Banc panel ruled in favor of Mr. Range.  They found that 922 (g)(1) as applied to Mr. Range is in fact unconstitutional and violates the Second Amendment
- After that original 3rd Circuit En Banc panel decision, the federal government then sought Supreme Court reversal and filed a petition to Supreme Court
- They wanted Supreme Court to reverse what the 3rd Circuit said and at that time, the Rahimi case was pending
- After Rahimi case was issued, Supreme Court decided to grant, vacate and remand this
Range case back down to the 3rd Circuit En Banc panel for a new decision in light of what they said in Rahimi
- At that time, my prediction was that the En Banc panel in 3rd Circuit was simply going to rule the same way.  It was going to be a very similar ruling even in light of what just happened in Rahimi and I was correct
- Today we received a decision from the 3rd Circuit En Banc panel and once again they ruled in favor of Mr. Range
- They found that the lower court was wrong in finding that he is not among the people for the purposes of the Second Amendment
- In the decision the 3rd Circuit stated that,

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We agree with Range that despite his false statement conviction, he remains among "the people" protected by the Second Amendment and because the government did not carry burden of showing that the principles underlying our nation's history and tradition of firearms regulation support disarming Range, we reverse and remand.
- Now in this ruling, there were only two dissenting judges but there was also a hodgepodge of concurrences and even a concurrence only in the judgment of the case, they state in the ruling that at the root the government's claim that felons are not among the people protected by the Second Amendment devolves authority to legislators to decide whom to exclude from "the people"
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We reject that approach because such extreme deference gives legislators unreviewable power to manipulate the Second Amendment by choosing a label and that deference would contravene Heller's reasoning that the enshrinement of constitutional rights necessarily takes certain policy choices off the table.

In some, we reject the government's contention that felons are not among "the people" protected by the Second Amendment.  Heller and its progeny lead us to conclude that Bryan Range remains among "the people" despite his 1995 false statement conviction
- They then move on to the next step of the Second Amendment analysis which they state is a very easy question for them to answer and they state,
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In the opinion that having determined that Range is one of the people, we turn to the easy question whether section 922 (g)(1) regulates Second Amendment conduct
- And they state that it does.
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Range's request to possess a rifle to hunt and a shotgun to defend himself at home tracks the constitutional right as defined by Heller.
- The question then was whether or not the federal government can show that they have any historical tradition or any historical evidence to support these restrictions that they are applying against Mr. Range and the En Banc panel in the 3rd Circuit found that the federal government once again has failed that burden
- They cannot meet that analysis ... They don't have the required evidence to place this restriction on Mr. Range

- They state that in attempting to carry its burden, the government relies on the Supreme Court statement in Heller that nothing in our opinion should be taken to cast doubt on long-standing prohibitions on the possession of firearms by felons
- Here the 3rd Circuit En Banc panel found that the 1938 statute that was the basis of this felon-in-possession restriction does not qualify as longstanding.  And even if the federal government attempts to justify the law with founding era evidence, that also fails
- So not only the 1938 statute was that not long-standing enough to qualify as a tradition, but also all the founding era documents and evidence that they used to try to justify this restriction as has applied to Mr. Range also did not pass the analysis- They point out that even in the Rahimi decision, the Supreme Court said only temporary disarmament may be justified historically but the categorical and permanent lifetime bans which are in play here in this case have no historical justifications

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Our decision today is a narrow one.  Bryan Range challenged the constitutionality of 18 USC section 922 (g)(1) as applied to him.  Range remains one of the people protected by the Second Amendment and his eligibility to lawfully purchase a rifle and a shotgu is protected by his right to keep and bear arms.  More than two decades after he was convicted of food stamp fraud and completed his sentence, he sought protection from prosecution under Section 922 (g)(1) for any future possession of a firearm.  The record contains no evidence that Mr. Range poses a physical danger to others.  Because the government has not shown that.  Our Republic has a long-standing history and tradition of depriving people like Range of their firearms under Section 922 (g)(1).  It cannot constitutionally strip him of his Second Amendment rights.  We will reverse the judgment of the district court and remand so that the court can enter a declaratory judgment for Mr. Range
- So that's a big win against the felon-in-possession laws that are currently in place now
- This applies specifically potentially to just Mr. Range (nonviolent felon) ...  this is still a big win a big decision.  It opens up the door for more as applied challenges against 922 (g)(1) and means that the permanent lifetime bans are potentially unconstitutional and that the government here cannot prove any historical evidence to support those types of lifetime bans
- Now I have no doubt that this will eventually make its way back to the Supreme Court. I think the Biden administration kind of one of their last hail marries, you know kind of their anti-gun move before the transition to Trump, they're probably going to file for petition for Supreme Court review.  I think they're going to try to get this back to the Supreme Court.
- They're going to try to file their petition fast but I think the Supreme Court will ultimately rule the same way here.  Maybe they'll just take their loss and decide to not appeal this to the Supreme Court and just let this sit isolated to just the 3rd Circuit but we're going to have to wait and see how that plays out
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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #42 on: December 26, 2024, 06:23:58 PM »
Adding to Bruen methodology applied to other 2A cases - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458590#msg1458590

After Bruen ruling eliminated two-step interest balancing "greater good of society/community over individual rights" approach to 2A cases used in the past and changed to "Text, history and tradition" approach of looking for historical analogue regulations with coming up with evidence burden shifting to the states/government, many states defied Bruen ruling by making much of state "sensitive areas" to limit Second Amendment RKBA.

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2:35 The Anti-Gunner Arguments... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGLruotAa3M&t=155s
5:17 This Doesn't Work At All! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGLruotAa3M&t=317s
6:30 "Core Government Function" & Core Constitutional Rights Arguments - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGLruotAa3M&t=390s
9:50 The Vulnerable People Argument - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGLruotAa3M&t=590s
12:41 How SCOTUS Thinks About These Issues - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGLruotAa3M&t=761s
14:25 Incarceration Example & How This Relates - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rGLruotAa3M&t=865s
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« Reply #43 on: December 28, 2024, 08:11:52 AM »
Good news! 

Increasing number of lower courts (This time PA state appellate court) showing TREND of getting the Bruen methodology memo in properly interpreting/applying the "Text, history and tradition" approach with burden of historical analogue evidence shifting to the state/government=D

Update to Bruen methodology applied to other 2A cases - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458942#msg1458942

(Note this is a state of PA case under state constitution but the lower court "properly" analyzed and interpreted Heller/Bruen methodology)

Commonwealth of PA v Dontaie Anderson (PA nonviolent felon RKBA) - https://law.justia.com/cases/pennsylvania/superior-court/2024/1370-eda-2022.html

SCOTUS DECISION LEADS TO MORE GREAT 2A PRECEDENT ... Appeals Court relies on SCOTUS's Rahimi decision [which reaffirmed Heller/Bruen methodology as "binding law" of the land] to rule for 2nd Amendment - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZiQvgbAmY
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1:10 Case Background & Details - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZiQvgbAmY&t=70s
3:08 Rahimi Used To Support Non-Violent Felons - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZiQvgbAmY&t=188s
5:45 Role of Dicta & Burden Shifts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZiQvgbAmY&t=345s
7:50 Court Blasts Prosecutors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZiQvgbAmY&t=470s
10:26 Court Decides in Favor of 2A... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZiQvgbAmY&t=626s
11:50 Why This Matters So Much! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bcZiQvgbAmY&t=710s
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« Reply #44 on: December 28, 2024, 11:44:22 AM »
Adding to update of Gray v Jennings (DE AW/magazine ban) related to Bianchi v Frosh now Snope v Brown (MD AW ban) and Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island (RI magazine ban) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458476#msg1458476

Significant Developments in the Assault Weapon Ban Case - Trying to connect some dots and read some tea leaves, but there is a development in one of the three huge cases we have been tracking before the Supreme Court and this could be really good news ... William Kirk, discusses the matter of Gray v. Jennings, and the fact that this matter has now been sent out to conference on January 10th.  This, of course,  leads to a bigger discussions about Snope v. Brown and Ocean State Tactical v. Rhode Island, the holy trinity of potential 2A cases before the Supreme Court.  There is some significant movement on one of these cases, which could mean more movement on the other cases - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=194yxJ3OJaU

- Snope versus Brown ... challenge to Maryland's assault weapon ban case, it is completely finished, it is ripe for the taking ... that case has been kicking around not yet set to conference out there in the United States Supreme Court
- Ocean State Tactical versus Rhode Island ... challenge to Rhode Island's magazine ban, it too has completely been argued to fruition ... it too is kicking around in conference ... has actually already been rescheduled a couple times
- Third case ... a little bit surprised that the United States Supreme Court has taken as much interest but they have absolutely taken interest ... case of Gray versus Jennings ... challenge to Delaware's assault weapon ban
- Remember the challenge is about what the standard should be for an injunction so this case comes to the Supreme Court ... but the Supreme Court which normally doesn't take cases in that posture has shown an extreme amount of interest
- Ocean State tactical got to the finish line first ... had all of their briefings ... from the plaintiffs ... defendants and it was scheduled to go out to conference but then at the last second ... it gets rescheduled
- Why? ... We started connecting the dots and we realized got rescheduled because Maryland had been taking its sweet time getting their response pleadings in, had asked for multiple extensions in the Snope case and had been granted a couple of them so suddenly the Ocean State case gets continued to around the same time that the pleadings are due in Snope v Brown
- Let us also remember that while they're waiting for the pleadings on Snope v Brown, the state of Delaware was also dragging its feet in the case of Gray v Jennings and ... finally completed the pleadings ... and ... they requested that the case be sent out to conference on January 10th
- Looked at all three of the dockets and lo and behold there is a huge development in the Gray v Jennings case ... now scheduled for conference on January 10th ... Delaware assault weapon ban case that deals with what is the standard of proof in order to get an injunction is set for the conference on January 10th
- there is going to be a very important conference about how many, if not all of these cases are accepted and consolidated ... This is why, this is really really important ... it's obviously very important because we really do need to resolve this issue
- These unconstitutional bans that are popping up in state after state need to be terminated and need to be terminated right away
- Other big thing is time is running out on us ... because if this case or these cases don't get scheduled for late spring, well then we're waiting until the next Supreme Court term which will be in October 2025 before those cases could be heard
- Be aware ... between the end of this term and the start of next term, you could potentially have judicial retirements and then a whole new appointment process that is possible
- If we want to resolve this issue once and for ... need to ... carefully watch ... the fact that the Supreme Court has shown so much interest in Gray v Jennings and already scheduled it for conference and you consider where that case is from a procedural posture nature compared to the other two much more significant cases this all bodes extremely well for what we are hopeful for

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #45 on: December 28, 2024, 04:15:34 PM »
Constitutional 50 State CCW Reciprocity is seeing the light of day again - https://www.gunowners.org/goa-endorses-the-national-constitutional-concealed-carry-reciprocity-act/

GOA Endorses the National Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act - Gun Owners of America is proud to endorse Representative Hudson’s and Senator John Cornyn’s National Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act. This legislation is not only a major priority for the Second Amendment community, but also President Trump, who ran on the issue by promising:  https://www.donaldjtrump.com/agenda47/agenda47-president-trump-announces-plan-to-end-crime-and-restore-law-and-order
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"President Trump is absolutely right. The Second Amendment does not end at state borders. He was just elected with a mandate from the American People to sign nationwide carry to help Make America Safe Again. Now it is your duty as Congress to pass this and send the National Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act to President Trump’s desk!

Complete concealed carry permit reciprocity between the states is a crucial step in creating a safer America for all law-abiding citizens as well as restoring the Second Amendment rights to those wishing to defend themselves.

The 119th Congress is the perfect time to pass the National Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act for several major reasons:

1. ALL states are now “shall-issue” following the New York State Pistol and Rifle Association v. Bruen Supreme Court decision, meaning that all states now grant concealed carry licenses to anyone who applies and can lawfully own a firearm.

2. Non-residents can now obtain concealed carry permits in 49 states due to GOA lawsuits against California and New York, leaving Hawaii as the only state to bar non-residents from lawfully carrying firearms for self-defense.

3. A majority of the United States have enacted Constitutional Carry or Permitless Carry laws.

The current political landscape makes nationwide reciprocity for concealed carry licenses a no-brainer. It is time that the right to carry is treated the same as driver’s license, accepted in all 50 states, regardless of differences in state regulations or licensing requirements.

And more Americans than ever before are choosing to take an active role in their self-defense. They should not be weighed down by the arbitrary and often politically motivated decisions of anti-gun officials that will not honor their right to carry for self-defense. Creating a confusing web of exemptions and reciprocity agreements between states leads to doubt in the mind of those simply wanting to defend themselves, whether going on vacation across the country or crossing a state boundary on the way to work.

American’s constitutional rights to freedom of speech or right to a jury trial do not end at the state borders, neither should their right to keep and bear arms. With all the momentum behind President Trump and his campaign promise to sign nationwide carry, we hope you will join with Gun Owners of America and be a part of this historic moment for gun rights."

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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #46 on: December 28, 2024, 04:51:04 PM »
- Be aware ... between the end of this term and the start of next term, you could potentially have judicial retirements and then a whole new appointment process that is possible
- If we want to resolve this issue once and for ... need to ... carefully watch ... the fact that the Supreme Court has shown so much interest in Gray v Jennings and already scheduled it for conference and you consider where that case is from a procedural posture nature compared to the other two much more significant cases this all bodes extremely well for what we are hopeful for

LL - considering the way the Biden administration has pushed through so many judicial appointments lately (with the conniving and help of Stinky Schumer), what do you see these political activist judges doing in the long run?
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« Reply #47 on: December 28, 2024, 06:05:42 PM »
LL - considering the way the Biden administration has pushed through so many judicial appointments lately ... what do you see these political activist judges doing in the long run?
Perhaps not much.

Biden has appointed 235 judges with 7 pending - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Joe_Biden

But Trump appointed 234 judges during previous term - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Donald_Trump

With appointments Trump will make during 2025-2028 term, many Circuit Courts could end up 50/50 or leaning pro-2A.

Key factor I believe is how the lower courts end up interpreting/applying Heller/Bruen test and since Rahimi reaffirmation of "Text, history and tradition" with burden shifting to the state/government; we are starting to see "proper" application in lower courts, even for typically anti-2A 9th Circuit, where rulings are made because state/government did not produce sufficient evidence of historical analogue of 2A/firearm regulation.

And what is acceptable "historical analogue" has been argued in depth in various recent court cases with judge McGlynn doing an exhaustive, detailed definition to comprehensive examination of what is acceptable "historical analogue", even considering dissenting counter arguments as remanded by the 7th Circuit in Harrel v Raoul - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/scotus-considering-bianchi-v-frosh-duncan-v-bonta-the-turning-point-for-aw-magazine-ban.905531/page-24#post-13023981

Constitutional attorney Mark Smith went into details of when, how and why historical analogue "LAWS ON THE BOOKS" are qualified for the Bruen test in new 55 page article - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458590#msg1458590

So as defiant practice of lower courts not properly interpreting/applying Bruen methodology and acceptable "historical analogue" tossed out by higher courts and ultimately the Supreme Court, it may not matter how many judges Biden appointed as subsequent Supreme Court rulings will clarify and mandate how future 2A cases are to be reviewed and ruled.  =D

I cannot wait ... 2025 and future Supreme Court terms sure looks to be very exciting indeed.  [popcorn]

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« Reply #48 on: December 28, 2024, 08:38:53 PM »
This is interesting ...

Adding to Snope v Brown (MD AW ban) and related to Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island (RI magazine ban) and Gray v Jennings (DE AW/magazine ban) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459122#msg1459122

SNOPE SCOTUS CASE SHOCK: NO ANTI-GUN GROUP FILED AN AMICUS BRIEF IN AR-15 BAN CASE... Anti-gun organizations fail to support Maryland's opposition to the 2A's cert petition. What it means for your rights by Mark Smith - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5HpPGFYrxc
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1:50 Snope Background & The Question - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5HpPGFYrxc&t=110s
3:32 Why Anti-Gunners Choose Not To File Briefs... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O5HpPGFYrxc&t=212s
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Re: Second Amendment/ATF related cases
« Reply #49 on: December 28, 2024, 09:44:58 PM »
Update to States defying Bruen in Antonyuk v. Nigrelli now James (NY CCIA defiance to Bruen ruling), Hardaway v. Nigrelli (NY places of worship carry ban), Christian v. Nigrelli (NY sensitive location carry ban), Spencer v Nigrelli (NY places of worship carry ban) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/antonyuk-v-nigrelli-supreme-court-will-rule-on-states-defying-its-nysrpa-v-bruen-decision.913941/post-12952747

Supreme Court Decision & Remand Order Set To End Firearm Permits Nationwide!  FPC attorney Anthony Miranda break down the impacts of the Supreme Court's recent decision and remand order on carry bans - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sxWkJuUk9-0

- We're going to be discussing a critical issue that is back in front of the Supreme Court ... it deals with statewide bans on concealed carry
- Issue of concealed carry bans in states Rahimi and remanded the New York Concealed Carry ban that whole case back down to the 2nd Circuit for a new decision
- Supreme Court granted vacated and remanded this case back to the 2nd Circuit for a new decision in light of ... Rahimi
- This case ... New York's new hyper restrictive concealed carry laws that they passed through the CCIA which was put in place just 8 days after the Supreme Court struck down the prior New York laws in the Bruen decision
- Now the 2nd Circuit has issued its new decision on the concealed carry bans and they have essentially reissued the same decision finding Rahimi case did not change the outcome of this lawsuit at all
- This has now set the stage for the case to once again go back to the Supreme Court and for the Supreme Court to once again have to rule on and issue a decision on New York's new concealed carry bans which again were passed in direct defiance to what the Supreme Court said in Bruen
- District court in this case has stayed all lower court proceedings in anticipation that the Supreme Court petitions will be filed next year and that the Supreme Court will have to grapple with this issue during their next term
- Now this issue of concealed carry in New York has been a long battle and should have really ended after Bruen because in Bruen, the Supreme Court struck down New York's original "May issue" CCW licensing scheme and they found that it was of course inconsistent with this nation's history and tradition
- However despite that ruling, New York then passed the Concealed Carry Improvement Act just 8 days after Bruen which put in place an even worse concealed carry scheme that had a stricter permit scheme to get the permit and then also had more restrictions on where you could carry
- This new law was challenged in multiple cases and in those cases there were preliminary injunctions that were granted halting some aspects of the CCIA
- The state of New York of course appealed those rulings up to the 2nd Circuit Court of Appeals who granted blanket stays on a lot of those decisions
- However in response to that, you had 2A organizations like GOA who sought emergency review from the Supreme Court
- Supreme Court ultimately did not grant emergency review of emergency applications in these cases but we did get a statement from justice Alito that the 2nd Circuit could not just issue blanket stays ... they could not drag their feet on these issues
- Instead they would need to consolidate and hear these cases on an expedited basis and that's exactly what happened
- Recently 2nd Circuit ruled in five of the CCIA cases and the big argument really came in the Antonyuk case because that is the more comprehensive challenge to this whole scheme here in the CCIA
- 2nd Circuit three judge panel vacated a lot of the district court's injunction finding that a lot of the CCIA was facially constitutional under the Second Amendment
-In response GOA then filed their second petition for emergency Supreme Court intervention
- Although this case was still in an interlocutory posture, the Supreme Court did GVR the case in light of the 8 to 1 decision in Rahimi
- After the Rahimi decision and GVR of this case, the 2nd Circuit opened the lawsuit back up and then requested additional briefs on how Rahimi is going to impact the outcome of this case
- Originally the 2nd Circuit was intending to have all the consolidated CCIA cases reopened but then they issued an order stating that they would only actually be reconsidering Antonyuk because that was the only case that was in front of the Supreme Court and then was ultimately GVR in light of Rahimi
- On re-review the 2nd Circuit has now issued their decision ... pretty much issued the same decision in light Rahimi
- Decision ... stated that ... having reconsidered the prior decision in light of Rahimi and the party supplemental briefing regarding the effect of that decision on our reasoning in this case, we now issue a revised opinion
- They then state that ... we reached the same conclusion that we reached in our prior consolidated opinion ... accordingly we affirmed the court's injunction in part, vacate it in part and remand this case for further proceedings consistent with this amended opinion
- So in all reality, nothing really changed with the 2nd Circuit ... all they did is reaffirm what they said prior, they reinstated the same opinion issued before recognizing the Rahimi decision
- ... What is going to happen is this case is going to make its way back to Supreme Court
- The district court ... has now decided to stay all lower court proceedings until the time expires for the plaintiff to file their Supreme Court Writ of Certiorari essentially seeking Supreme Court review that district court order states that order continuing to stay of this matter until such time that ... one a petition for cert is filed ... two the time to file a petition expires on January 22nd 2025 ... three the parties otherwise seek to reopen proceedings in this court whichever is earlier
- That's what's kind of going on here
- We all knew that the 2nd Circuit was going to rule the same way even despite what happened in Rahimi, even despite of course what happened in Bruen because this was a direct response to Bruen
- State of New York is continuing to defy what the Supreme Court said in Bruen and here of course you have the 2nd Circuit technically still defying what the Supreme Court has said in Bruen and trying to find a way to uphold these statewide concealed carry bans
- Regardless of this, this is eventually going to make its way back to Supreme Court ... all signals is that this Antonyuk case is heading back to Supreme Court ... the plaintiffs have until January 22nd to file their Writ of Cert and I think this is now going to be one of those cases that's almost unavoidable by the Supreme Court because it's been GVR'd multiple times by the Supreme Court
- There have been multiple emergency applications and this is a law that was passed in direct defiance to what was said in Bruen where the state of New York decided they're going to pass an even more restrictive concealed carry ban so this is of course one of those very important cases that's not only going to impact the state of New York but other states that have also similar concealed carry bans and we're going to be waiting anxiously to see what develops at the Supreme Court level
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