Author Topic: Second Amendment/ATF related cases (Read 9567 times)

Live Life · « **Reply #50 on:** December 29, 2024, 04:43:45 PM »

2025 looks to be an exciting year for Second Amendment rulings by the Supreme Court for semi-auto rifles and larger than 10 round capacity magazines. I hope in my retirement years continued expansion of Second Amendment protection to "modern" arms and accessories.

Mark Smith discuss 2A cases at the Supreme Court waiting for review where about 70 cases total are granted review for each term and significance of Gray case distribution for conference on January 10th:

- VanDerStok v Garland (ATF frame or receiver rule) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/17-states-join-goa-gof-and-sue-atf%E2%80%99s-new-firearms-rule-on-80-percent-kits.908730/page-6
- Gray v Jennings (DE AW/magazine ban) and related to Snope v Brown (MD AW ban) and Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island (RI magazine ban) and Gray v Jennings (DE AW/magazine ban) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459182#msg1459182

SCOTUS NEWS: 2A PLAINTIFFS MAKE GREAT PROGRESS - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGd-2IGJSqg

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0:00 SCOTUS Embracing 2A Advances - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGd-2IGJSqg&t=0s
1:06 This Is Super Important & Where We Stand Now - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGd-2IGJSqg&t=66s
3:59 2A Petitioners Waive 14 Day Waiting Period & SCOTUS Accepts - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGd-2IGJSqg&t=239s
5:49 How Conferences Work & When We Would Know - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGd-2IGJSqg&t=349s
9:00 Thank You! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGd-2IGJSqg&t=540s

Live Life · « **Reply #51 on:** December 29, 2024, 05:06:16 PM »

Adding to previous posts regarding efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458497#msg1458497

Along with GOA, NAGR is working to expand 2A protection with Congress.

The National Association for Gun Rights announced its plan to restore gun rights across the nation and reverse gun control in the 119th Congress - https://gunrights.org/nagr-announces-the-program-for-freedom-to-make-america-armed-again/

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As Republicans took back control of the White House and the U.S. Senate, while also retaining their majority in the House, NAGR realizes this is a “once-in-a-generation” opportunity to advance gun rights.

That’s why they introduced the Program for Freedom to “Make America Armed Again.

The Program for Freedom agenda includes a carefully curated offensive battle plan to call on lawmakers to pass a National Constitutional Carry bill, completely deregulate firearm suppressors, undo Joe Biden’s gun control executive actions, and so much more.

You can read more about the NAGR’s Program for Freedom to “Make America Armed Again” here.

Additionally, the National Association for Gun Rights is collecting petitions from gun rights supporters across the nation, which they will hand-deliver to lawmakers in Washington, D.C. and President-elect Donald Trump.

Click here to sign your petition - https://action.gunrights.org/2024/1904_MakeAmericaArmedAgain.aspx?pid=webarticle

Program For Freedom - A Pro-Gun Agenda for the 119th Congress - https://gunrights.org/make-america-armed-again/

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Pass National Constitutional Carry - Sponsored by Rep. Thomas Massie (R-KY), the National Constitutional Carry Act (H.R. 9534 /118th Cong.) seeks to extend the right of all law-abiding Americans to legally carry a firearm in all fifty states. Currently, twenty-nine states have similar laws in place. This bill is the only form of “National Reciprocity” that would fully restore the right to carry for all Americans.

Pass the SHUSH Act to Deregulate Suppressors - The “Silencers Help Us Save Hearing Act” (S.4825, 118th Cong.) proposes to deregulate suppressors at the federal level, removing them from restrictions under the NFA and NICS system. It’s well past time to lift regulations on this common firearm safety device.

Abolish the ATF - The idea of abolishing the ATF is not new; it was once proposed over a decade ago by former Congressman Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI). Established initially as a taxing authority within the Department of the Treasury, the ATF’s mission has expanded over the years to align with the agenda of gun control advocates.

President Trump and Congress can start right now by:
- Firing Anti-Gun ATF Director Steve Dettelbach on day one, and;
- Reducing the ATF’s budget to Pre-Obama Levels — cut at least $1 Billion (50%) for FY25.

Overturn / Defund Biden’s Executive Gun Controls - The Biden Administration has weaponized the DOJ and ATF to undermine the Second Amendment rights of all Americans. The incoming administration and Congress must act immediately, using every available tool — including executive actions, budgetary control, legislation, the Administrative Procedures Act, and the Congressional Review Act — to:

- Repeal the ATF’s “Engaged in the Business” Rule (Final Rule 2022R-17F). This rule, a clear end-run around Congress, attempts to impose universal gun registration because the Biden Administration lacked the votes to pass it legislatively.

- Rescind the ATF’s bans on homemade firearms, pistol braces, and forced-reset triggers. Federal courts have repeatedly ruled that the ATF overstepped its authority with these arbitrary bans, which can no longer stand now that the Supreme Court has overturned the Chevron Defense. This includes ATF final rules 2021R-05F, 2021R-08F, 2018R–22F, and the ATF’s letter dated 3/22/22. Congress should repeal these bans and pass bills like the PISTOL Act (H.R.381, 118th Cong.) to prevent similar overreach in the future.

- Eliminate Biden’s Office of Gun Violence Prevention and reinstate the Dicky Amendment. The country does not need another taxpayer-funded gun control think tank. The Trump Administration should abolish it immediately, and Congress should reinstate the prohibition on using federal funds to promote gun control.

- Direct the Justice Department not to defend any gun control law or regulation in court. The executive branch must respect the Supreme Court’s Bruen ruling by instructing the DOJ and U.S. Attorneys not to defend any law, rule, or policy that contradicts the text, history, and tradition of the Second Amendment.

End Federal “Red Flag” Gun Confiscation Support - The federal government has no business funding gun confiscation schemes that trample on due process and the Second Amendment. “Red Flag” laws are a dangerous infringement that empowers the government to seize firearms without proper legal proceedings. Congress must act now to cut off any federal support for these unconstitutional programs.

- Repeal the Red Flag Justice Assistance Grants authorized under the “Bipartisan Safer Communities Act.” Taxpayer dollars should not fund states that violate Americans’ rights.

- Pass the Federal Agent Responsibility Act (H.R.1243, 118th Cong.) to hold federal agents accountable and prevent them from participating in these unconstitutional gun grabs.

Destroy the ATF’s Illegal Gun Registries - The ATF has overstepped its bounds, blatantly ignoring federal law to build a massive gun registry that threatens the privacy and rights of law-abiding Americans. Congress must take immediate action to dismantle these illegal databases and put an end to the ATF’s attempts to monitor lawful gun ownership.

- In 2022, the ATF admitted it maintains a database containing 920,664,765 firearm purchase records — both digital and hard copies of transactions. This is a clear violation of federal law, and these records must be destroyed to protect Americans from unconstitutional surveillance.

- End multi-gun purchase reporting. Following the disastrous “Operation Fast and Furious,” the ATF imposed an illegal rule requiring FFLs, manufacturers, and importers in just four states to report lawful multiple-gun sales to the same person. This backdoor gun registry lacks statutory authority and must be repealed to stop the ATF’s encroachment on the Second Amendment.

End Unconstitutional Name Dumps into the NICS “Prohibited Persons” List - For too long, the rights of veterans and law-abiding Americans have been stripped away without due process based on bureaucratic decisions and unjust reporting practices. It’s time to end this unconstitutional overreach and restore gun rights to those who have been wrongfully placed on the NICS list.

- Restore gun rights to veterans and others who were unjustly added to the NICS indices by the VA or other non-judicial agencies without due process. Being labeled a “prohibited person” without ever facing a court of law is a gross violation of their rights.

- Pass the Protecting Gun Rights and Due Process Act (S. 2802 / 114th Cong. & H.R.1258 / 118th Cong.) to ensure that no one is placed on a federal “no guns” list without a proper judicial process. The authority to remove Second Amendment rights should lie solely with the courts, not with unelected boards, commissions, or any other non-judicial entities.

Repeal the “Sporting Purpose” Clause and Firearm Import Bans - The “sporting purpose” clause in the Gun Control Act of 1968 imposes an arbitrary test on the Second Amendment that has no basis in the Constitution and contradicts the Supreme Court’s Bruen decision. This clause was first exploited in 1989 to ban the importation of lawful firearms. Since then, the ATF has repeatedly used it as a loophole to block the imports of semi-automatic rifles and components like barrels — all without Congressional approval.

Repeal the Federal Gun Tax - Targeted taxes on firearms and ammunition are nothing less than a modern-day poll tax on Americans exercising their Second Amendment rights. The Pittman-Robertson Act’s 11% excise tax on firearms, ammunition, and archery equipment unfairly singles out lawful gun owners and is a blatant infringement on our rights. Such taxes, which don’t apply to other commodities, are unconstitutional and must be repealed immediately. Americans should not have to pay extra to exercise their fundamental right to own any weapon they please.

Repeal the NFA of 1934, GCA of 1968, and Hughes Amendment of 1989 - The Supreme Court’s Bruen decision made it clear: any gun control must align with the text, history, and tradition of the Second Amendment as it was understood at the time of our nation’s founding. 20th-century gun control laws fail that test and have no place in America. It’s time to correct these unconstitutional mistakes—the National Firearms Act, Gun Control Act, and Hughes Amendment—to restore and preserve the Second Amendment in its fullest form for future generations. Conservatives must roll back these infringements and reaffirm that the right to bear arms shall not be infringed in the 21st Century.

Live Life · « **Reply #52 on:** December 31, 2024, 03:05:02 AM »

Starting tracking of Mate v Westcott (LA non-resident carry ban) - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/mate

(GOA efforts for national reciprocity - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459279#msg1459279)

(National Constitutional Concealed Carry Reciprocity Act - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459137#msg1459137)

FPC challenges law that could lead to national reciprocity - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oZW_Rg8RgwA

FPC Files Another Lawsuit to Restore Carry Rights of Non-Residents Throughout the United States - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-files-another-lawsuit-to-restore-carry-rights-of-non-residents-throughout-the-united-states

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Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) ... has filed a new federal lawsuit challenging Louisiana’s ban on firearm carry by non-residents. The complaint in Mate v. Westcott can be viewed at firearmspolicy.org/mate.

“Closing off nonresidents’ ability to obtain a carry license substantially infringes their constitutionally protected right to carry a firearm in public for self-defense,” the complaint says. “There is no well-established and representative historical tradition of restricting the ability to bear arms based on residency.”

“Peaceable people have a constitutionally protected right to carry firearms throughout the United States,” said FPC President Brandon Combs. “Second Amendment protected rights don’t end at a state’s border. This case is an important step towards achieving our goal of restoring the right to bear arms everywhere.”

Live Life · « **Reply #53 on:** December 31, 2024, 10:04:41 AM »

Adding to previous post GOA working with Trump Admin to Protect & Restore 2A Freedoms -
https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458497#msg1458497

Related to NAGR plan to restore gun rights across the nation and reverse gun control in the 119th Congress - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459279#msg1459279

Related to review of CRPA's 2024 legal battles - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458416#msg1458416

2024 Was Huge For Gun Rights, Here's Our Top 10 Wins - 2024 Was Huge For Gun Rights, What Will Happen In 2025? - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rZ1ZbwAtTRU

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1. Secured an injunction against ATF registering GOA members ... halting their enforcement of the engaged in the business rule ... we're continuing this fight ... with a final decision ... expected in 2025

2. Supreme Court strikes down the bumpstock ban with the case Garland v Cargill

3. Repealed an unconstitutional veteran gun ban ... GOA worked with veteran groups and ... House to pass monumental language that stops the VA from sending names to the FBI NICS system

4. Historic ATF budget cut in a massive victory ... worked with House leaders to cut over $120 million from the ATF's budget this year and force the agency to speed up their approval of eforms for suppressors (largest ever cut in ATF history)

5. GOA's legal team worked to strike down bans on conceal carry in California and New Mexico. GOA assisted efforts to defeat so-called assault weapons bans and waiting periods in Virginia. GOA lobbied to defeat or stall multiple gun control proposals in Pennsylvania and then exposed the governor's effort to slip gun control into the budget ... and successfully lobbied to get the firearms restrictions removed

6. Constitutional carry becomes law in two more states in 2024 ... by removing permanent requirements for carrying a concealed firearm in Louisiana ... South Carolina ... permitless carry bill into law ... total number of permitless carry states to 29

7. Inaugural GOA convention ... first annual convention, The Gun Owner's Advocacy and Leadership Summit ... impressive display of ... over 75 speakers and workshops ... over 5,000 GOA members on site and more than 500,000 people streaming online

8. GOA sweeping victories on Election Day ... helped nearly 200 GOA endorsed candidates win election to ... state legislature or congress ... biggest priorities was flipping the US Senate

9. GOA's lawsuit causes New York City to issue ... out of state permits for the first time ever ... who regularly commute into New York for work - https://www.gunowners.org/goa-lawsuit-forces-nyc-to-allow-non-residents-to-apply-for-carry-permits/

10. GOA launched inaugural National Women's Range Day ... in Texas coinciding with International Women's Day ... planning for an even bigger and better Women's Range Day in 2025

Live Life · « **Reply #54 on:** December 31, 2024, 02:42:56 PM »

Adding to previous posts regarding efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459279#msg1459279

Is Blake Masters going to be the next ATF director? And who is he?

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Blake Masters is male version of Kari Lake ...

Is This Guy Really Going to Be the Next ATF Director?

Rumors are starting to swirl that Blake Masters might be asked to serve as the next director of the ATF. Who you say? Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, discusses who Blake Masters is, where he claims to be on the Second Amendment, and other considerations. Remember, these are only rumors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjq5p_rFxyU

Live Life · « **Reply #55 on:** December 31, 2024, 04:54:44 PM »

Quote from: Live Life on December 18, 2024, 08:04:04 PM

... I will do an updated indexed posting listing all the tracked 2A/ATF cases and put the link in my signature line.

This way, readers won't have to browse through pages of posts and instead, have ready access to updated listing of 14+ sorting of cases.

Ben · « **Reply #56 on:** December 31, 2024, 05:06:56 PM »

Quote from: Live Life on December 31, 2024, 02:42:56 PM

Adding to previous posts regarding efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459279#msg1459279

Is Blake Masters going to be the next ATF director? And who is he?
Is This Guy Really Going to Be the Next ATF Director?

Rumors are starting to swirl that Blake Masters might be asked to serve as the next director of the ATF. Who you say? Washington Gun Law President, William Kirk, discusses who Blake Masters is, where he claims to be on the Second Amendment, and other considerations. Remember, these are only rumors - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gjq5p_rFxyU

If I were to go by his facebook video, I would say he gets it regarding the BoR. That's only one data point though. I worry a little about a guy chasing gov positions. Unless I missed it, I'm not seeing any info on who floated his name and who all is behind him. From the WGL video, he wanted the Presidential Personnel Office position but was turned down, presumably by Trump's staff. If they didn't want him running a smaller office, I worry about him running the much larger ATF.

I'm open to learning more about him though.

Live Life · « **Reply #57 on:** December 31, 2024, 05:12:48 PM »

Quote from: Ben on December 31, 2024, 05:06:56 PM

I'm open to learning more about him though.

Same sentiment here as I know nothing about him.

And William Kirk did say that his reporting is only "rumors".

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Rumors are starting to swirl ... Remember, these are only rumors

Live Life · « **Reply #58 on:** December 31, 2024, 09:21:41 PM »

Happy New Year!!!

I have A LOT of hope for various 2A cases working their way through the judicial process and anticipate favorable 2A rulings from the Supreme Court.

And most of ATF harassment will be gone starting January with a new director.

Life is good.

Long live the Republic and godspeed!

harieg · « **Reply #59 on:** December 31, 2024, 11:56:07 PM »

WOW JOHN,, I AM GLAD YOU CAME OVER HERE TO BE LESS STRESSFUL ?

HARIE G

Live Life · « **Reply #60 on:** January 01, 2025, 12:28:15 AM »

Quote from: harieg on December 31, 2024, 11:56:07 PM

... CAME OVER HERE TO BE LESS STRESSFUL ?

Yes, I am not "stressed" here as what caused my "stress" doesn't exist here.

And APS members have been "polite" and First Amendment "free speech" exists here.

Live Life · « **Reply #61 on:** January 01, 2025, 01:14:37 AM »

Update to CA Handgun Roster due to Boland v Bonta (CA handgun roster) and Renna v Bonta (CA Unsafe Handgun Act/Handgun roster) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458104#msg1458104

Ten more added to the roster (104 added since Boland 3/20/23 and Renna 4/3/23 v Bonta preliminary injunctions currently 941 on the handgun roster) 👍 - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

[An asterisk (*) next to the model name below indicates that the handgun was added pursuant to the court's order in Boland v. Bonta]

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Manufacturer Model Caliber Gun Type Date Added
Shadow Systems   XR920 SS-3039-CA*   9MM   Pistol   3.75"   01/01/2025
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 Shield Plus (Purple Frame)-14299*   9MM   Pistol   3.1"   01/01/2025
Rost Martin   RM1C FDE OSP*   9MM   Pistol   4"   01/01/2025
Colt   PYTHON (PYTHON-BP6WTS)   .357 Magnum   Revolver   6"   01/01/2025
Rost Martin   RM1C GRAY OSP*   9MM   Pistol   4"   01/01/2025
Henry Repeating Arm   H016GD   .22 S/L/LR   Revolver   4"   01/01/2025
Shadow Systems   DR920P SS-2239-CA*   9MM   Pistol   4.5"   01/01/2025
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 Shield Plus (Pink Slide)-14298*   9MM   Pistol   3.1"   01/01/2025
Shadow Systems   MR920 SS-1039-CA*   9MM   Pistol   3.75"   01/01/2025
Smith & Wesson   M&P9 Shield Plus (SLV/REB)-14297*   9MM   Pistol   3.1"   01/01/2025
Colt PYTHON (PYTHON-BP4WTS) .357 Magnum Revolver 4.25" 01/01/2025
Rost Martin RM1C BLACK OSP* 9MM Pistol 4" 12/04/2024
FMK Firearms 9C1 G3 (Black)* 9MM Pistol 4" 12/03/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. LCP MAX 13748* 380 Auto Pistol 2.80" 11/26/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9 UPC 642230267961* 9mm Pistol 4.09" 11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9 UPC 642230267947* 9mm Pistol 4.09" 11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9L UPC 642230267985* 9mm Pistol 5" 11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9SK UPC 642230268005* 9mm Pistol 3.39" 11/20/2024
Sig Sauer 365XL-9-ROSE-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.1" 10/30/2024
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9* 9mm Pistol 3.2" 10/08/2024
North American Arms NAA-PUG-D .22 Mag Revolver 1" 08/13/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. LCRx-05439B .22 WMRF Revolver 1.87" 07/17/2024
Smith & Wesson SD9 VE-11907* 9mm Pistol 4" 07/16/2024
Kimber RAPIDE (DAWN)(9MM)* 9mm Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Kimber RAPIDE (DAWN)(45ACP)* .45 ACP Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Kimber CUSTOM LW (SHADOW GHOST)(9MM)* 9mm Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Kimber CUSTOM LW (SHADOW GHOST)(45ACP)* .45 ACP Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Smith & Wesson SW22 VICTORY SKU 108490* .22 LR Pistol 5.5" 06/12/2024
Springfield Armory Hellcat-Stainless HC9319SOSPCA* 9mm Pistol 3" 06/11/2024
Springfield Armory Hellcat Pro- Stainless HCP9379SOSPCA* 9mm Pistol 3.7" 06/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. SP101-05765A .22 LR Revolver 4.2" 05/21/2024
Sig Sauer 320XF-9-BXR3P-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 4.7" 05/16/2024
Sig Sauer 320X5-9-LEGION-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 5" 05/16/2024
Sig Sauer 365XCA-9-COMP-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.1" 05/16/2024
Kahr Arms CW90G93/CW90G93N 9mm Pistol 3.5" 05/07/2024
Standard Manufacturing Co. S333 THUNDERSTRUCK GEN III .22 WMR Revolver 2.25" 05/07/2024
Springfield Armory XD-M Elite Compact 3.8 OSP-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.8" 04/03/2024
Springfield Armory XD-M Elite 4.5 OSP-CA* 9mm Pistol 4.5" 04/03/2024
Springfield Armory XD-M Elite 3.8 OSP-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.8" 04/03/2024
Girsan (Imported by European American Armory Corporation) MC P35* 9mm Pistol 4.87" 04/02/2024
Walther P22 CA (Grey Slide) Grey Grip .22 LR Pistol 3.42" 03/08/2024
Browning Buck Mark Medallion Rosewood* .22 LR Pistol 5.5" 03/05/2024
Browning Buck Mark Micro Bull* .22 LR Pistol 4" 03/05/2024
Taurus 2-85621ULC31NS .38 Special Revolver 2" 02/22/2024
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield (OD) SKU 14016/Stainless Steel;Polymer 9mm Pistol 3" 02/09/2024
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield (OD) SKU 14015/Stainless Steel;Polymer 9mm Pistol 3" 02/09/2024
Colt PYTHON (PYTHON-SP5WTS) .357 Mag Revolver 5" 02/06/2024
Colt PYTHON (PYTHON-SP2WCTS) .357 Mag Revolver 2.5" 02/06/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9* 9mm Pistol 4.09" 01/31/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9L OR* 9mm Pistol 5" 01/31/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9 OR* 9mm Pistol 4.09" 01/31/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9SK OR* 9mm Pistol 3.39" 01/31/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. LCRX-05437B .22 WMRF Revolver 3" 01/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. SP101-05773A .327 Fed Magnum Revolver 4.2" 01/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. SUPER REDHAWK - 05526 .22 Hornet Revolver 9.5" 01/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. MARK IV - 40187 22 LR Pistol 5.5" 01/04/2024
Taurus 2-856P39 .38 Special Revolver 3" 01/04/2024
Taurus 2-605P39 .357 Mag Revolver 3" 01/04/2024
Henry Repeating Arm H017BDM .38 Spl/.357 Mag Revolver 4" 01/04/2024
Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 - 14033* 9mm Pistol 4.25" 11/16/2023
Smith & Wesson M&P9 M2.0 Compact - 14032* 9mm Pistol 4" 11/16/2023
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield Plus - 14031* 9mm Pistol 3.1" 11/16/2023
Springfield Armory XDM Elite* 9mm Pistol 4.5" 11/16/2023
Springfield Armory Hellcat Pro* 9mm Pistol 3.7" 11/16/2023
Springfield Armory Hellcat* 9mm Pistol 3" 11/16/2023
Colt ANACONDA (ANACONDA-SP4RTS) 44 Magnum Revolver 4.25" 11/16/2023
Kimber K6XS Carry .38 Special +P Revolver 2" 11/16/2023
Sig Sauer 365-9-BXR3P-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.1" 11/02/2023
Henry Repeating Arm H017GDM .38Spl/.357Mag Revolver 4" 09/19/2023
Charter 2000 14423 Bulldog (Grip Rose wood) .44 Special Revolver 4" 09/19/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-DFDE 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (OD Green) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-OD 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (OD Green)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Dark Grey)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-DBB 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (FDE) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-DAF 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Burnt Bronze) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Blue Jay)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-DRD 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (FDE)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-DTAF 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Pink/Raspberry)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-SG 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Burnt Bronze)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Blue Jay) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-FDEC 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Pink/Raspberry) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-BB 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Dark Grey) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Titianium Grey)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-GRC 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Black)(w/Polished Barrel) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Juggernaut Tactical JT-9 SSP-FDE 9mm Pistol 8.5" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Black) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
FMK Firearms 9C1 Gen II (Titanium Grey) 9mm Pistol 3.87" 08/08/2023
Sturm, Ruger & Co. Max-9 03518* 9mm Pistol 3.2" 08/03/2023
Armscor Precision M1911 A1 FS PSA Standard (AS) (57007) .45 ACP Pistol 5" 08/01/2023
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Live Life · « **Reply #62 on:** January 01, 2025, 05:07:12 AM »

Starting tracking of Young v Ott (PA age based carry permit ban) - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/young

NRA & FPC BRING ANOTHER HUGE LAWSUIT FOR YOUNG AMERICANS... In the US District Court for the Western District of Pennsylvania, FPC and NRA have sued on behalf of young adults denied a carry permit - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM

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0:00 Breaking 2A News... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=0s
0:48 Case Background & Details - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=48s
2:15 The History of 18-20 Year Old 2A Rights & Court Decides Correctly... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=135s
3:55 Where We Stand Now... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=235s
5:50 Why This All Matter So Much... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=350s
7:50 What 2A Plaintiffs Allege... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=470s
9:50 What Pennsylvania Is Trying To Do - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=590s
12:25 This is COMMON SENSE! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=745s
13:23 What I Think Will Happen... - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=803s
17:45 Thank You! - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r6WITiwrQHM&t=1065s

FPC, NRA Team Up to Challenge Pennsylvania’s Age-Based Firearm Carry Ban - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-nra-team-up-to-challenge-pennsylvaniass-age-based-firearm-carry-ban

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Firearms Policy Coalition (FPC) announced that it has filed a new federal lawsuit challenging Pennsylvania’s law banning 18-20-year-olds from applying for Licenses to Carry Firearms (LTCFs). FPC is joined in the litigation by two FPC members and the National Rifle Association (NRA). The lawsuit, styled Young v. Ott, comes as the Third Circuit is considering an FPC lawsuit challenging another one of the state’s age-based carry bans. The complaint can be viewed at https://www.firearmspolicy.org/young

“On their eighteenth birthday, the Plaintiffs in this case became legal adults for almost all purposes and certainly for the purpose of exercising their other constitutionally protected rights. They can vote, enter into contracts, and get married. They can join the military to fight and die for their country. And as adults, there are no parents or other legal guardians legally responsible for their care and protection. Yet, the laws challenged in this case prevent Plaintiffs from exercising their Second Amendment protected rights on par with all other law-abiding adult Americans,” the complaint states.

“Governments like Pennsylvania cannot deny the right to bear arms to otherwise eligible legal adults. We are proud to join forces with the NRA in this important case and look forward to eliminating these unconstitutional age-based bans throughout the United States,” said FPC President Brandon Combs.

Ben · « **Reply #63 on:** January 01, 2025, 08:01:40 AM »

Quote from: Live Life on January 01, 2025, 01:14:37 AM

Update to CA Handgun Roster due to Boland v Bonta (CA handgun roster) and Renna v Bonta (CA Unsafe Handgun Act/Handgun roster) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458104#msg1458104

So does CA no longer require a magazine disconnect to get a gun on the "safe" list? I see several additions there that I own that do not have a disconnect, because disconnects are useless and dangerous. Back when I lived in CA, I stopped buying semi-autos immediately after that regulation was created.

Live Life · « **Reply #64 on:** January 01, 2025, 10:30:34 AM »

Quote from: Ben on January 01, 2025, 08:01:40 AM

So does CA no longer require a magazine disconnect to get a gun on the "safe" list?

Yes, according to court orders under preliminary injunctions as these cases are pending Duncan case ruling at the 9th Circuit - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-handgun-roster-unsafe-handgun-act-facing-new-legal-challenges.913421/post-12865237

Boland v Bonta (CA Unsafe Handgun Act/handgun roster) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-handgun-roster-unsafe-handgun-act-facing-new-legal-challenges.913421/post-12581660

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PRELIMINARY INJUNCTION

NOW, THEREFORE, IT IS HEREBY ORDERED that Defendant Attorney General Robert Bonta, and his officers, agents, servants, employees, and attorneys, and those persons in active concert or participation with him, and those duly sworn state peace officers and federal law enforcement officers who gain knowledge of this injunction order or know the existence of this injunction order, ARE HEREBY PRELIMINARILY RESTRAINED AND ENJOINED from implementing or enforcing California Penal Code sections 31910(b)(4)–(6), or from otherwise preventing the retail sale of handguns that do not have a chamber load indicator, a magazine disconnect mechanism, or microstamping capability but that meet the other requirements of the Unsafe Handgun Act.

CORMAC J. CARNEY
UNITED STATES DISTRICT JUDGE

Renna v Bonta (CA Unsafe Handgun Act/Handgun roster) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/ca-handgun-roster-unsafe-handgun-act-facing-new-legal-challenges.913421/post-12595428

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For these reasons, the Court hereby ORDERS the following:

(1) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is GRANTED as to California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions);
(2) Plaintiffs’ motion for a preliminary injunction is DENIED as to all other challenged provisions of the UHA;
(3) Defendants are ENJOINED from enforcing California Penal Code §§ 31910 (b)(4), (5), (6) & (7) (CLI, MDM, microstamping, and three-for-one removal provisions) ...

Dana M. Sabraw,
Chief Judge
United States District Court

Live Life · « **Reply #65 on:** January 02, 2025, 04:40:44 PM »

Update to previous posts regarding efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459527#msg1459527

Dettelbach Resigns as ATF Director with Record Number of Defeats - https://www.ammoland.com/2025/01/dettelbach-resigns-as-atf-director-with-record-number-of-defeats/

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Effective on January 18, Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF) Director Steve Dettelbach will resign his position just days ahead of the Trump Presidential Inauguration.

Mr. Dettelbach’s days were numbered as the head of the embattled agency. No one expected President Trump to keep him as the head of the organization regulating firearms in the United States. President Trump has already started a search for a new ATF Director. To avoid being fired, Dettelbach resigned.

Link to resignation letter - https://x.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1873895986202132826

Live Life · « **Reply #66 on:** January 04, 2025, 06:53:05 PM »

Adding to previous posts regarding efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459855#msg1459855

ATF Confirms Director to Resign on January 18th - https://thereload.com/atf-confirms-director-to-resign-on-january-18th/

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On Thursday, the ATF told The Reload that Dettelbach submitted his resignation to President Joe Biden with an effective date of January 18th, 2025. That is the first official confirmation of Dettelbach’s plan since he told The New York Times he planned to step down before the end of Biden’s term. The agency did not say who would replace Dettelbach in the interim but described his resignation as a normal part of the transition between presidential administrations.

“As is typical in a transition, and consistent with the memorandum sent to all presidential appointees on Dec. 19, Director Dettelbach has rendered his resignation to President Biden effective January 18, 2025,” Kristina Mastropasqua, ATF’s Chief of Public Affairs, told The Reload.

- Dettelbach’s resignation marks the end of just the second period in which a Senate-confirmed permanent director led the ATF
- His resignation also marks the official end of Biden’s attempt to use the ATF as the primary body for enacting new gun restrictions he couldn’t get through Congress
- Dettelbach ... shared many of Biden’s policy preferences on guns and aggressively pursued the rules restricting pistol braces, home gun building, and used gun sales handed down by the president
- Trump, who opposed Biden’s executive gun actions and promised to fire Dettelbach during his successful Presidential campaign, will have the opportunity to try to replace him with a new permanent director
- Gun-rights advocate ... Alan Gottlieb, chairman of the Citizens Committee for the Right to Keep and Bear Arms, painted Dettelbach’s tenure as one that further politicized the agency

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“That’s one less person Trump will have to fire after he takes office,” Gottlieb, who backed Trump and has consulted with the transition team at Mar-a-Lago in the wake of the election, said in a statement “and it is one less gun prohibition lobbyist on the government payroll.”

- Dettelbach ... spearheaded an initiative to crack down on licensed gun dealers. Under Biden’s “Zero-Tolerance” policy, Dettelbach and the ATF have revoked the highest number of dealer licenses in more than 20 years. That garnered him praise from gun-control advocates, who characterized the crackdown as necessary for public safety, but also put him at odds with the gun industry, who argued many of the revocations were due to minor clerical mistakes.

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“For four years, the Biden-Harris administration has waged war on gun owners and the Second Amendment, with Dettelbach leading an ATF that helped make it happen,” he said. “The next ATF director must be someone who recognizes law-abiding gun owners as allies, not enemies in the fight against crime, which is a battle we all want to win.”

- Trump has not named a nominee for the position. During his first term, the agency was run entirely under acting directors, largely because the Senate rejected his first nominee, Chuck Canterbury, and he never offered up a second. Gottlieb said the next director must take an entirely different approach to enforcing the nation’s gun laws.

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“We are hopeful the next ATF director will straighten the record by telling Congress, the media and the gun prohibition lobby that modern semiautomatic rifles are not ‘weapons of war,’ and that there is not, and never was, a ‘gun show loophole,'” he said. “The next ATF director should know how to disassemble a pistol instead of trying to regulate it out of existence. He should lobby Congress for funds to revive restoration-of-rights procedures, and stop harassment of lawful, small business firearms retailers. He should be someone willing to visit a gun show rather than shut it down.”

Live Life · « **Reply #67 on:** January 05, 2025, 04:40:21 PM »

I anticipate more 2A related lawsuits in 2025 as expressed by incomplete/short list of new state laws below.

[Some] of America's New Gun Laws That Just Went Into Effect - Welcome to 2025 and for some of you that is a very bad thing when it comes to your gun laws, and for others, News Year's day bring new gun rights. William Kirk does a quick overview of some of the gun laws that went into effect in various states on January 1, 2025 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ppIFpLxEH38

- California Assembly Bill 1483 - Strengthens one gun every 30-day purchase limit (Law that is just getting absolutely eviscerated in the court system ... there's no way that law is going to survive ... law is on life support)
- CA AB 1598 - Requires every FFL to give a new purchaser a pamphlet to explain that what they'd done was is really really stupid and they actually just made their life a lot more dangerous by purchasing a firearm
- CA AB 2917 - Expands the reach of red flag laws and allows you to allege hate crimes and bias related incidents as basis upon which you can disarm another person
- Colorado - New law ... guns unattended in your car must be in a locked hard-sided opaque container and concealed from view from the outside world
- Colorado - concealed carry permit - Starting July 1st, you will have to undergo live fire training
- New Hampshire - House Bill 1186 - Prohibits credit card companies from using specific merchant codes to track firearms and ammunition purchases
- NH HB 1336 - Bars employers from prohibiting employees from storing firearms locked in their vehicles during working hours while they're inside working
- Kentucky - New law very similar to NH HB 1186 ... prohibit the use of merchant codes to track firearm purchases
- Minnesota - New law - binary trigger ban so all binary triggers are unlawful
- Delaware - New law - Designated every single college campus as a gunfree zone
- New York starting January 7th - Require all gun stores in NY state to basically post signs saying that you really shouldn't be doing business with a gun store because it's literally going to require people to warn that purchasing a gun is an unwise and unsafe activity
- New York is now implementing a statewide database that could be shared for the use on extreme risk protection order or red flag laws thus beefing up and enhancing the ability of the state to disarm individuals without due process of the law

Live Life · « **Reply #68 on:** January 05, 2025, 05:15:35 PM »

Update to efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1460090#msg1460090

Cornyn and senators tell ATF director no new policies before Trump takes over - https://gazette.com/news/wex/cornyn-and-senators-tell-atf-director-no-new-policies-before-trump-takes-over/article_973a550f-9653-591a-bb34-cd5ff3e25319.html

- The senators sent a letter to Director Steven Dettelbach telling him to “firmly commit to and focus on preparing for the transition to the incoming administration.”

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“The incoming Administration, including our next Attorney General, Deputy Attorney General, and ATF Director, must have the opportunity and ability to set ATF’s priorities and future direction,"

- The senators emphasized the ATF must refrain from publishing or undertaking any new policy initiatives or reorganizations ahead of the transfer of power.

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“Toward that end, we recommend and urge that ATF suspend and refrain from issuing any further rulemaking, ATF Rulings, open letters to the industry or other publications or reports ..."

- Trump has not named an ATF director and transition officials have told gun rights groups they do not expect him to tap someone until next spring.

Live Life · « **Reply #69 on:** January 06, 2025, 06:08:42 PM »

Great news!

Snopes and Ocean State Tactical cases added to scheduled Gray case for conferencing for the 10th.

Update of Gray v Jennings (DE AW/magazine ban), Snope v Brown (MD AW ban) and Ocean State Tactical v Rhode Island (RI magazine ban) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459122#msg1459122

Adding Wehr-Darroca v D.C. (DC magazine ban) to tracking of cases - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458114#msg1458114

Adding to (State case) Arnold v Kotek (OR magazine ban/permit to purchase)[/b] - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1458019#msg1458019

SCOTUS NEWS: IT'S FINALLY ALL COMING TOGETHER... The Supreme Court has agreed to conference the Snope and Ocean State Tactical cases on January 10 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VmSjFVcd5Ds

- Major breaking news ... US Supreme Court ... just announced ... they are going to conference Snope versus Brown case and Ocean State Tactical case all in addition to the Gray versus Jennings case ... This is a big step forward for the Second Amendment
- US Supreme Court has done exactly what we want them to do so far which is to schedule a conference in the three most important Second Amendment cases in America today
- Snope versus Brown case dealing with Maryland's semi-automatic AR-15 rifle ban ... Ocean State Tactical versus Rhode Island dealing with ... large capacity magazine ban ... and Gray versus Jennings the case out of Delaware through the US court of appeals for the 3rd Circuit dealing with preliminary injunction standards
- This is a big deal ... last week ... US Supreme Court ... distributed for conference ... the legal briefs and the materials submitted by the parties ... in Gray versus Jennings case ... on an expedited basis
- Pro-2A lawyers waved their full time to submit papers and by extension the US Supreme Court agreed to conference which means to sit around the table ... all nine justices ... and they vote as to whether or not to hear ... the case on the merits and decide it on the merits
- We want these three cases or at least one of these three cases to be granted Cert on the merits in particular, we probably want the Snope case so we once and for all, knockout semi-automatic rifle bans, AR-15 bans, AK-47 bans ...
- Bottom line is that the Gray versus Jennings case was set for conference on January 10th ... but now also discuss Snope versus Brown AR-15 ban case as well as the Ocean State Tactical versus Rhode Island magazine ban case
- We need ... four Supreme Court justices to vote to hear this case on the merits
- We want these cases to be relisted ... not rescheduled but relisted
- When a case is relisted, it means they're taking the case and shoving it to the next conference to be reheard
- Step One mission accomplished ... Now Step Two is we want the Supreme Court ... on January 10th to agree tentatively to hear one or more of these cases ... They will then publicly relist these cases, which means they will be reconsidered
- The cases will be reconsidered on the next conference on January 17th ... During this time period between January 10th and January 17th, if one of these cases is internally granted Cert, before you and I find out about it and the public finds out about it
- What that means is Chief Justice John Roberts is turned to the justices as he always does in this context and says ... Look we're tentatively agreeing to hear this case but I want you and your law clerks to double check every procedural issue in the case ... Do the plaintiff still have standing? ... Is there any mootness problem? ... Is there a case or controversy problem? ... Is there some jurisdictional problem? Is there a subject matter jurisdiction problem?
- Basically ... Chief Justice John Roberts ... wants to make sure, if they're going to grant Cert in a case, that all the procedural problems or potential problems that could pop up are resolved because he doesn't want to grant Cert in a case and then have to do all this work on it and find out there's a procedural promblem that prevents the Supreme Court from issuing a decision on the merits
- That's a big waste of time so if they agree on January 10th to hear the case internally we will see a relist ... which means they will be sent back to a conference on January 17th and potentially it could ... be relisted to January 24th which is the final conference for the Supreme Court in the month of January
- Bottom line is this is great news ... we still don't know what the Court's going to do but at least the ducks are lining up the way we want them

tokugawa · « **Reply #70 on:** January 07, 2025, 05:39:19 PM »

Civilian ownership of "Weapons of War" is the entire point of the 2nd.

The ruling seem so contradictory-
machine guns are weapons of war so they are prohibited,
Short shotguns are NOT weapons useful to a militia so they are prohibited.

Live Life · « **Reply #71 on:** January 07, 2025, 07:01:28 PM »

Quote from: tokugawa on January 07, 2025, 05:39:19 PM

Civilian ownership of "Weapons of War" is the entire point of the 2nd.

The ruling seem so contradictory - machine guns are weapons of war so they are prohibited

As I expressed in the OP, this thread is not about FULL DETAILED DEBATE of Second Amendment and interpretation rather LIMITED tracking of select 2A/ATF related cases migrated from THR forum for members who requested migration of my threads to APS with exclusion of NFA and edged weapons:

Quote from: Live Life on December 04, 2024, 05:28:47 AM

Disclaimer: ... Subjective opinions expressed in this thread by me are my personal thoughts and by no means objective factual "legal" explanation of case rulings and lawyers/attorneys' expressions posted ... obviously, there will be disagreements/arguments ... what is "proper" interpretation ... but you are free to start your own thread to exercise your First Amendment right of free speech ...

I am not a FFL nor expert on NFA items. This thread is not about edged/knife weapons.

As many requested, continuing my various 2A/ATF related threads from THR

I do agree that debate over "weapons of war" is timely and perhaps warrants a "proper legal" thread discussion apart from this limited "layperson" subjective opinion/commentary tracking thread.

And I will post that judge McGlynn recently ruled and explained in detail how "weapons of war" could be approached in Harrel v Raoul (And affecting cases pertaining to Protect Illinois Communities Act: NAGR v Naperville, Harrel v Raoul, Barnett v Raoul, GOA v Raoul, Herrera v Raoul, Langley v Kelly) - https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/scotus-considering-bianchi-v-frosh-duncan-v-bonta-the-turning-point-for-aw-magazine-ban.905531/post-13023981

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“military use” refers to weapons that are selected, procured, tested, and issued to military members for use in combat. (Page 111)

“military-grade” ... issued to the military for use in combat. (Page 112)

"dual use" ... the Court holds that “dual use” refers to weapons that, while predominantly useful in military contexts, are also useful for civilian offensive or defensive use in confrontation such that they would be covered by the Second Amendment’s guarantee. (Page 112)

And he stated:

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... Moreover, stating that military-grade weapons cannot be used by civilians because they need to be reserved for the militia is not a cogent [convincing] argument ... commercially available AR-15’s external similarity to the M16 rifle and M4 carbine belies its nature, as its lack of burst or fully automatic fire fundamentally renders it a different weapon. Thus, while they may be similar externally, they are not the same weapon and have vastly different functions

... Therefore, the Court holds that “military use” refers to weapons that are selected, procured, tested, and issued to military members for use in combat. With this in mind, none of the weapons, magazines, or attachment prohibited by PICA can be called “military-grade” since they were not issued to the military for use in combat ... a clear example is the semiautomatic handguns that are useful in military service yet are also “the quintessential self-defense weapon.” Clearly, even though handguns are useful and are used in military service, they are clearly protected by the Second Amendment (Page 110-112)

... This Court also holds that thirty-round magazines are not predominately useful in military service and, even if they were, dual use has clearly been demonstrated given their usefulness for individual self-defense and their ubiquity. (Page 113)

Live Life · « **Reply #72 on:** January 08, 2025, 12:59:39 AM »

Update to efforts to abolish/eliminate ATF as an agency - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1460201#msg1460201

New bill introduced to abolish the ATF - https://www.congress.gov/bill/119th-congress/house-bill/129

Boebert, Burlison introduce bill to abolish the ATF - https://thehill.com/homenews/house/5072249-boebert-burlison-introduce-bill-to-abolish-the-atf/

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Reps. Lauren Boebert (R-Colo.) and Eric Burlison (R-Mo.) introduced a bill to abolish the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives (ATF), they announced Tuesday.

The bill, titled Abolish the ATF, aims “to safeguard Americans’ Second Amendment rights” and to “protect law-abiding gun owners from the relentless bureaucratic overreach” of the ATF

Ben · « **Reply #73 on:** January 08, 2025, 08:12:22 AM »

It looks like national reciprocity is getting more traction. Interestingly, GOA is in support of the bill. I'm still worried that the devil is in the details, and that I'll still end up in jail if I cross into Calif (or NY or NJ) while armed, because I'm carrying the wrong model pistol or >10 round mag. Or carrying within 5000 feet of some "restricted area".

I'm just not sure how they will create a bill that prohibits each state, or jurisdictions within a state, from still creating their own "regulations" in the vein of, "We acknowledge the reciprocity law with the exception of... and then there's 100 pages of sutff that no one is going to study, but will still get pinched on.

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/house-gop-mounts-trump-backed-push-expand-concealed-carry-permits-millions-americans

Pb · « **Reply #74 on:** January 08, 2025, 09:10:06 AM »

I never thought I'd live to see the day when the GOA has more relevance than the NRA.

News:

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