Author Topic: Second Amendment/ATF related cases (Read 176667 times)

Live Life · « **Reply #350 on:** May 03, 2025, 10:43:56 AM »

Quote from: Live Life on November 29, 2024, 06:53:42 PM

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Waiting to see LiveLife's multiple legal threads get started again.

Stay tuned.

Live Life · « **Reply #351 on:** May 04, 2025, 09:45:23 AM »

Update to Rahimi/Range (violent/nonviolent felon RKBA), OH/PA state cases, US v Daniels (Drug user RKBA) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1469281#msg1469281

Update to Executive Order on Second Amendment - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1468623#msg1468623

Update to Bondi Proposes "Clean Slate" to Process of Restoring Gun Rights - https://bearingarms.com/camedwards/2025/03/19/bondi-clean-slate-revisions-to-restoring-gun-rights-n1228030

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Firearms Policy Coalition - https://x.com/gunpolicy/status/1916852473307726281

The Attorney General announced today that she has restored the gun rights of 10 individuals: https://federalregister.gov/public-inspection/2025-07317/granting-of-relief-federal-firearms-privileges

Live Life · « **Reply #352 on:** May 04, 2025, 10:04:51 AM »

Adding to 80% frame or receiver / "ghost gun" related to Supreme Court remand ruling in VanDerStok v Bondi - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1472643#msg1472643

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AmmoLand News - https://x.com/AmmoLand/status/1914688736861819369

🚨 Montana Gov. Gianforte signed the Right to Compute Act—making digital tools (like CAD files + 3D printers) a constitutional right.

This is HUGE for gun owners. A Digital Second Amendment is here.

Montana Just Gave Gun Owners a Digital Second Amendment - https://www.ammoland.com/2025/04/montana-just-gave-gun-owners-a-digital-second-amendment/

- Montana’s Right to Compute Act may be the most important pro-gun, pro-freedom law of the year—and it doesn’t mention guns once
- Montana just did something no other state has dared to do ... Governor Greg Gianforte signed the Montana Right to Compute Act (MRTCA) into law—cementing the right to own, use, and access computational tools as a constitutional liberty
- On paper, it’s a law about digital freedom. But read between the lines, and you’ll realize this may be the most significant state-level, pro-gun, pro-freedom victory in years.
- ... the fight for the Second Amendment isn’t just happening in courtrooms—it’s happening in code, clouds, and 3D printers. #RightToCompute
- Montana’s Law Flips the Script ... Computation is expression. Files are property. Code is liberty.
- Under MRTCA, any restriction on a citizen’s ability to use or share digital tools must pass strict scrutiny, the same rigorous legal test used to defend core constitutional rights like speech, religion, and—yes—the right to bear arms
- That means if the state (or any city within Montana) ever tries to: Ban CAD files, Restrict 3D printing of firearm components, Force firmware changes on printers, Censor gun-related code or forums, They’ll need to prove it’s absolutely necessary, narrowly tailored, and in pursuit of a compelling state interest. In short, it becomes almost impossible to justify.
- A Digital Second Amendment ... Montana just quietly created what amounts to a Digital Second Amendment ... they’ve laid the foundation for:

* Protecting hobbyists who use 3D printers to legally build arms
* Shielding code-sharing platforms from activist prosecutors
* Preventing tech companies from being deputized as gun control agents
* The same way gun owners fought back against red flag laws, bump stock bans, and universal background checks, we now have a blueprint to push back against digital disarmament.

- And it couldn’t come at a better time. Because from John Lott to Defense Distributed, one truth keeps coming up: “3D printers mean an end to any gun control.”
- The 3D printing community knows this fight well. CAD files are already decentralized. 3D Printers are cheaper than ever. Groups like The Gatalog and DEFCAD continue to innovate. The government can’t ban the signal—so now they’re trying to strangle the software, throttle the cloud, and turn every tool into a snitch.
- But Montana just said no. By declaring computational tools a right, the state has sent a message: your printer, your code, your liberty.

Wow ...

This is digital pioneering uncharted 2A territory that Supreme Court recently reviewed and remanded confirming expansion of 2A right to "artifact nouns" in VanDerStok v Bondi ... Will be interesting to see what Trump/Pam Bondi DOJ does next.

And this is repost from 2A "Discussion thread" - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70469.msg1470276#msg1470276

Did VanDerStok ruling expand Heller/Caetano in defining "arm" to expand Second Amendment protection?

Supreme Court has been ruling to settle court splits and what is constitutional to set precedents as the highest court of the land.

Precedents were set in Heller that Second Amendment protection applied to modern arms that were not in existence at the time of founding in common use inside the home for self-defense unrelated to militia service, in Caetano to non-propellant/projectile based modern energy arms in common use, in Bruen to modern bearable arms outside of home for self-defense eliminating interest balancing greater good of society (mass shootings, etc.) approach with burden shifting to the government/states and in Rahimi reaffirming Bruen test/methodology of "text, history and tradition" with burden of providing historical evidence for firearm regulation analogue shifting to government/states.

And now with VanDerStok ruling, Second Amendment protection was reaffirmed to "artifact noun" produced by modern forms of manufacturing (3D printing, etc.) rapidly proliferating to become in common use that is evolving into metal 3D printing which allows individuals to create affordable and reliable "artifact noun" at home.

What is "artifact noun"?

On page two of VanDerStok Supreme Court majority opinion, we find,

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When Congress adopted the GCA in 1968, “the milling equipment, materials needed, and designs were far too expensive for individuals to make firearms practically or reliably on their own." With the introduction of new technologies like 3D printing and reinforced polymers, that is no longer true. Today, companies are able to make and sell weapon parts kits that individuals can assemble into functional firearms in their own homes.

And in near future, individuals will be able to make replacement weapon parts or functional firearms in their own homes.

On page 10 of majority opinion, we find,

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The term "weapon" is an artifact noun - a word for a thing created by humans.

So the Supreme Court just reaffirmed Second Amendment protection to modern "artifact noun", modern "thing" created by modern "milling equipment" now affordable for "individuals to make firearms ... in their own homes"?

And on page 15, we find,

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Imagine a kit identical to Polymer80’s in all respects, except that it has a complete frame. Even the plaintiffs would have to admit that such a kit would count as a “weapon” ...

Imagine a day in near future where metal 3D printing can produce all the parts of a firearm including frame/receiver like this 1911 - https://www.extremetech.com/extreme/170574-the-worlds-first-3d-printed-metal-gun-is-a-beautiful-45-caliber-m1911-pistol

Using VanDerStok ruling, Supreme Court could expand Second Amendment protection even further by applying "artifact noun" to modern "milling equipment". Instead of purchasing parts/guns from stores/online, future trend may become where "individuals ... make firearms ... in their own homes" as stated by Justice Gorsuch.

Live Life · « **Reply #353 on:** May 07, 2025, 06:01:02 PM »

Update to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1473648#msg1473648

Adding to Pro-2A organizations efforts and accomplishments - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1472560#msg1472560

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Gun Owners of America - https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1920138852770988125

🚨ATTENTION ALL GUN OWNERS🚨

H.R. 404, the Hearing Protection Act, & H.R. 2395, the SHORT Act, are STALLED in the House Ways & Means Committee.

Call today and demand they get these bills to the House floor! ☎️202-225-3625

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Gun Owners of America - https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1920230450678653314

We're fighting to remove silencers from the National Firearms Act.🔥

To do this, we're pushing the Hearing Protection Act & the SHUSH Act. But as always, supposedly "pro-gun" moderate republicans are dragging their feet on supporting anything that could possibly change the status-quo. 💪

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Everything 2A 🇺🇸 - https://x.com/everything2A/status/1920211641620443432

Everyone CALL YOUR REPS!!!

HR 404 - Hearing Protection Act
HR 2395 - SHORT Act
https://democrats-waysandmeans.house.gov/about/committee-members

Chairman Rep. Jason Smith (202) 225-4404 https://x.com/RepJasonSmithRanking
Member Rep. Richard Neal (202) 225-5601

Republicans:
Rep. Vern Buchanan (202) 225-5015
Rep. Adrian Smith (202) 225-6435
Rep. Mike Kelly (202) 225-5406
Rep. David Schweikert (202) 225-2190
Rep. Darin Lahood (202) 225-6201
Rep. Jodey Arrington (202) 225-4005
Rep. Ron Estes (202) 225-6216
Rep. Lloyd Smucker (202) 225-2411
Rep. Kevin Hern (202) 225-2211
Rep. Carol Miller (202) 225-3452
Rep. Greg Murphy (202) 225-3415
Rep. David Kustoff (202) 225-4714
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (202) 225-4276
Rep. Greg Stuebe (202) 225-5792
Rep. Claudia Tenney (202) 225-3665
Rep. Michelle Fischbach (202) 225-2165
Rep. Blake Moore (202) 225-0453
Rep. Beth Van Duyne (202) 225-6605
Rep. Randy Feenstra (202) 225-4426
Rep. Nicole Malliotakis (202) 225-3371
Rep. Mike Carey (202) 225-2015
Rep. Rudy Yakym (202) 225-3915
Rep. Max Miller (202) 225-3876
Rep. Aaron Bean (202) 225-0123
Rep. Nathaniel Moran (202) 225-3035

Live Life · « **Reply #354 on:** May 07, 2025, 11:15:59 PM »

Adding to Bruen methodology applied to other cases - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1459075#msg1459075

Mark Smith from Four Boxes Diner explains "Sensitive Places" and when government can ban guns in specific locations consistent with 2A based on US historical tradition of gun regulations.

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Mark Smith - https://x.com/fourboxesdiner/status/1920310241096331404

"SENSITIVE PLACES" EXPLANATION. I wrote this to a Four Boxes Diner fan so I thought I would post it here too! This explains when government can ban guns in a specific location consistent with 2A based on US's historical tradition of gun regulations.

In short, if a government does not provide comprehensive security with limited points of entry, metal detectors and armed guards, then it cannot be a constitutionally-acceptable government-mandated gun free zone. The only time the government can take away your fundamental 2A right to keep and bear arms in a specific location is when the government itself assumes the full responsibility for protecting you with armed defense; short of this, you have a right to protect yourself.

If you look at our Founding history, the three "sensitive places" mentioned in Bruen (polling places, legislative chambers and courthouses) all had armed guards. Sheriffs, sergeant at arms, and bailiffs.

Today, with the rise of small, concealable handguns (less of a problem at the founding where everyone carried unconcealable rifles/shotguns/long guns), to have comprehensive security, the gov't must provide metal detectors and limited entry points in addition to armed guards. At the founding, you did not need metal detectors b/c the main weapons were big and not concealable. Today, with handguns being ubiquitous, you need the metal detectors for comprehensive security, which is what we see at airports, courthouses and Congress.

Note, the government does NOT have to provide comprehensive security at a location. However, if they want to ban guns in a location, then they MUST provide comprehensive security. No government-provided armed security means the government cannot deprive you of your 2A rights.

Finally, the practical benefit to the comprehensive security approach to the "sensitive places" question is it is an objective test: has the government ACTED to make a place "sensitive" or have they just paid lip service to the question by labeling a place as "sensitive" without treating it as such. If the government has not provided the same level of security as is provided by the government to protect the judges in a courthouse, then it is not comprehensive security and, by extension, a gun ban would not be constitutional in that specific location.

Live Life · « **Reply #355 on:** May 09, 2025, 12:49:51 PM »

Update to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474109#msg1474109

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Thomas Massie - https://x.com/RepThomasMassie/status/1920502255096131923

I have cosponsored @Rep_Clyde's bill to remove suppressors from the National Firearms Act.

These helpful hearing protection devices aren't regulated at all in countries like New Zealand & South Africa and shouldn't require a $200 tax stamp.
Gun Owners of America - https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1920871390443372707

END THE NFA!
🔥🔥🔥

Live Life · « **Reply #356 on:** May 09, 2025, 01:01:12 PM »

Update to DOJ - Civil Rights Division goes after states violating Bruen - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1473367#msg1473367

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Myles Miller - https://x.com/MylesMill/status/1920857015024320643

@AAGDhillon / @HarmeetKDhillon told me she's weighing gun rights as a focus for @CivilRights as she works to reshape the division to reflect the goals of President Donald Trump’s administration.
Harmeet K. Dhillon - https://x.com/HarmeetKDhillon/status/1920858482460303856

Second Amendment rights are civil rights. For too long, states & localities have been abridging those rights openly. Others do it through encroaching regulations, delays, etc. Protecting these fundamental rights is critical to @TheJusticeDept @AGPamBondi.

From Bloomberg article - https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2025-05-09/trump-doj-weighs-gun-rights-as-a-focus-for-civil-rights-division?accessToken=eyJhbGciOiJIUzI1NiIsInR5cCI6IkpXVCJ9.eyJzb3VyY2UiOiJTdWJzY3JpYmVyR2lmdGVkQXJ0aWNsZSIsImlhdCI6MTc0NjgwMjcyMywiZXhwIjoxNzQ3NDA3NTIzLCJhcnRpY2xlSWQiOiJTVlpRRjJEV0xVNjgwMCIsImJjb25uZWN0SWQiOiJFRDJCMkFBNUMyRDc0NDY0QkQ3NDU1MTM3MTAzMzE4MyJ9.hMQyY4_I-9Jq-SHrom7x1m0dzhpnbJ1iLy0VxRZh6jI&leadSource=uverify%20wall

- The US Justice Department's Civil Rights Division is considering making gun rights a formal priority, a significant shift from its traditional focus.
- The division is reviewing whether certain state and local gun control measures infringe on citizens' rights, with Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon stating that the Second Amendment is a constitutional right the department is committed to defending.
- The consideration of gun rights as a new priority is already reflected in an investigation launched in March into the Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department over delays in issuing concealed-carry permits.

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AAGHarmeetDhillon - https://x.com/AAGDhillon/status/1920859432839155908

Gun rights are civil rights. They are right there in the Bill of Rights. SCOTUS says so too, in Bruen & more. Yet many jurisdictions continue to interfere with these fundamental rights. This @TheJusticeDept is gathering information and considering our next steps.

Live Life · « **Reply #357 on:** May 09, 2025, 08:59:09 PM »

Adding to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474109#msg1474109

HPA and SHORT Act Stalled in Committee, Last Chance for Gun Owners to Act - https://www.ammoland.com/2025/05/hpa-and-short-act-stalled-in-committee-last-chance-for-gun-owners-to-act/

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The Hearing Protection Act (HPA) and the Stop Harassing Owners of Rifles Today (SHORT) Act have stalled in the House of Representatives Ways and Means Committee.

The HPA (H.R. 404) would remove suppressors from the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). Currently, suppressors must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ (ATF’s) NFA Division, and the owner must pay for a $200 tax stamp. Suppressors will remain a Gun Control Act of 1968 (GCA) item, meaning a single Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) check would be needed to acquire the item. They would be treated like any other firearm. The SHORT Act (H.R. 2395) would remove short-barreled rifles (SBRs) from the NFA.

The Ways and Means Committee is headed by Jason Smith (R-MO). The Committee is holding up both pro-gun bills from passing out of committee. The majority of the Committee is comprised of Republicans, and the bills should be passed with a slam dunk, but three different scenarios could play out in the committee.

The first option is the HPA, and the SHORT Act can pass out of the Committee unchanged. Most gun owners have been begging Congress to pass this option for years. The deregulation of suppressors and SBRs would be the most significant Second Amendment win through Congress in years. The Republicans can cement themselves as the true defenders of gun rights, something many within the 2A community have doubted.

The Committee’s second option is to modify the bill’s language to keep suppressors and SBRs on the NFA, but lower the tax stamp fees. Although this would be better than the current $200 fee, the majority of gun owners would only be satisfied with the total delisting of suppressors and SBRs from the NFA. Most will accept nothing other than the complete delisting of SBRs and suppressors from the NFA. Some Republicans on the committee might see the lowering of fees as a victory, but many think they will become pariahs in the gun community.

The third option is not to pass the bill out of the House Ways and Means Committee. With the majority of Republicans in control, this is the least likely outcome, although Brian Fitzpatrick (R-PA) has taken extreme gun control stances in the past, including advocating for an “assault weapon” ban. Although it has not been confirmed, most expect Fitzpatrick not to back any bill restoring gun rights. Luckily for gun owners, most Republicans do not take such an anti-2A stance.

Other members, such as Blake Moore (R-UT), have not indicated how they will vote. These Representatives have faced massive pressure from gun groups such as Gun Owners of America (GOA), who put out a call to their members to contact their reps to push through the full HPA and SHORT Act without stripping anything out of the bills. According to sources on the Hill, the members of the House Ways and Means Committee have had their phones ringing off the hook, with gun owners encouraging them to advance the two bills as is.

The bills’ markup is scheduled for Tuesday. According to House rules, a draft markup must be presented by Sunday night. The window is closing for gun owners to make their voices heard. Gun-owning Americans are making a difference in the fight over the bills’ language, and pro-gun groups are asking the gun community for one last push.

Committee members’ names and numbers can be found here - https://waysandmeans.house.gov/members/

Live Life · « **Reply #358 on:** May 09, 2025, 09:25:45 PM »

Update to DOJ - Civil Rights Division goes after states violating Bruen - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474275#msg1474275

Update to DOJ - Investigation of restrictive 2A laws in CA and other states - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1472176#msg1472176

Update to Pro-2A organizations efforts and accomplishments - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474109#msg1474109

FPC Applauds DOJ Proposal to Prioritize Second Amendment Rights - https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-applauds-doj-proposal-to-prioritize-second-amendment-rights

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WASHINGTON, D.C. (May 9, 2025) – Today, the Firearms Policy Coalition responded to a report that said Assistant Attorney General Harmeet Dhillon, the top civil rights official in the Department of Justice, is “considering making gun rights a formal priority” of the Civil Rights Division.

Among numerous other proposed reforms (https://www.firearmspolicy.org/fpc-statement-on-proposed-executive-actions-to-protect-second-amendment-rights), FPC has been encouraging the White House and DOJ to create and staff a First and Second Amendment section within the DOJ’s Civil Rights Division dedicated to addressing and litigating against unconstitutional laws, policies, and practices of state and local officials that violate the right to keep and bear arms and free speech.

About the news, FPC President Brandon Combs said, “Implementing AAG Dhillon’s proposed course of action would make real FPC’s proposal and add a force multiplier to our already-extensive Second Amendment litigation portfolio, particularly important to residents and visitors of anti-rights states like California, New York, New Jersey, Massachusetts, Maryland, Connecticut, Hawaii, and others. But this critical work is too important to be off-target, so we will provide the DOJ and AAG Dhillon with regular reports and information from the nation’s top Second Amendment litigators.”

Combs continued, “We are gratified to see that the White House and DOJ are taking our suggestion to help protect Second Amendment rights through the DOJ’s Civil Right Division and look forward to continuing discussions with the Trump Administration to help ensure that the government is effectively and efficiently applying its resources to the most important issues and jurisdictions around the country.”

Live Life · « **Reply #359 on:** May 10, 2025, 08:49:17 AM »

Adding to AW/Magazine ban cases regarding Snope/Ocean State Tactical - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1473256#msg1473256

Supreme Court has relisted these two cases seemingly endlessly and Mark Smith discuss the significance of continued relists.

SCOTUS RELISTS "ASSAULT WEAPON" BAN CASE AND WHAT IT MEANS... The Snope AR-15 ban and the Ocean State Tactical cases have been relisted 13 times. Mark Smith, Four Boxes Diner, discusses the significance of this - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KAZlMJIMfWc

- Snope versus Brown ... Ocean State Tactical
- Snope case is far more likely to be granted cert ... AR-15 ban case out of Maryland dealing with semi-automatic rifles
- This is the cleanest case
- You apply the Heller/Caetano precedents, you apply the "in common use" test, you find that semi-automatic rifles are in common use by Americans for lawful purposes ... it's not even a debate
- ... If the Supreme Court were going to rule that a gun ban was appropriate on some commonly owned firearm, the handgun would have been the more logical way to go but they found that handguns were protected under the Second Amendment ... in Heller
- ... So therefore it seems very straightforward that the Supreme Court should find that AR-15 semi-automatic rifles, AK-47s should readily be protected
- Now beyond the Snope case, we also have the Ocean State Tactical case out of Rhode Island ... large capacity magazine ban ... on a preliminary injunction
- ... as a general matter [SCOTUS] don't like to hear cases on an interlocutory basis
- ... there's much more likely to grant cert in Snope and then put on the shelf the Ocean State Tactical case and then send them back down after a decision in Snope for further consideration by the lower courts
- What could happen is they could grant cert to both cases but I don't think that's going to happen
- I think they would grant cert to Snope
- ... what's going on with Supreme Court relisting cases ... for a case to be relisted ... the Supreme Court will set a conference for all the justices to decide whether or not to grant cert in a case and they go back and forth
- You need four justices vote to hear the case and grant cert
- Now if the court for some reason is not able to decide right then and there, whether or not to grant cert, they want to keep thinking about it, they will relist the case for reconsideration a week or two later
- And then, if they still can't come to a decision, they will relisted again and again and again
- Now in many instances, if you see a case that's being relisted a handful of times, three or four times, what often occurs is someone has decided to write a dissenting opinion
- Why? Because perhaps at the first conference of the case, there was a decision by the Supreme Court to not hear the case ... one or more of the Supreme Court justices are like I disagree with that, we really should have heard this case
- So what happens is after the Supreme Court has decided and voted to not hear a case, before they publicly announce that they will let the justices that disagree with the decision draft a dissent
- So when down the road, several weeks or whenever Supreme Court publicly announces that they are denying cert in a case ... they will simultaneously publish with that denial of cert announcement ... they will publish ... dissent by the one or more justices
- ... in the Rogers decision, when the Supreme Court denied cert in 2020, there was a powerful dissent written by Clarence Thomas saying this is ridiculous, this is a clear case we are disrespecting the Second Amendment, we are treating it like a second class right ... we the Supreme Court should grant cert to this Rogers case and for once and for all decide that the right to bear arms means the right to carry guns in public for self-defense
- ... Snope case now passed a handful of relistings, a handful of multiple conferences ... we are now at the point where there have been 13 ... relists which means 13 conferences ... and still no decision to grant cert to deny cert
- Now ... Supreme Court ... could very well do one of two things ... either grant and hear the case of Snope which is what they should do or grant cert but then issue what's known as a percurium decision which is what ... they did in 2016 in the Caetano versus Massachusetts case ... stun guns
- ... I should note that ... Supreme Court decision that overturned Roe v. Wade was relisted 12 times before being granted and the Masterpiece Cake Shop was relisted 14 times before cert was granted
- ... I think the record for relists before a case was decided is 23 ... there was a per curium decision
- I think overall in terms of Snope, we still got our fingers crossed ... I'm still cautiously optimistic good things are going to happen
- It's been a long time and I don't see why they keep dragging their feet if they're just going to deny cert
- So every day we're still alive with Snope and Ocean State Tactical I think is a good day
- Let's hope they grant cert ... they really should
- And the fact that the Trump administration solicitor general John Sauer and Harmy Dylan over there at civil rights submitted a brief to the Supreme Court urging them to start
taking more Second Amendment cases, I think is a positive big time with the Supreme Court

MillCreek · « **Reply #360 on:** May 10, 2025, 11:12:03 AM »

^^^Thank you so much for the explanation. Now that the Washington state Supreme Court has upheld the ban on magazines of more than 10 rounds, we are interested in any favorable Federal intervention.

Ben · « **Reply #361 on:** May 10, 2025, 11:39:19 AM »

Quote from: MillCreek on May 10, 2025, 11:12:03 AM

^^^Thank you so much for the explanation. Now that the Washington state Supreme Court has upheld the ban on magazines of more than 10 rounds, we are interested in any favorable Federal intervention.

Are previously owned standard mags grandfathered in, or is this a, "If you're caught with a >10 round mag, you're going to the hoosegow" thing? You guys and Oregon are driving me nuts with trying to figure out what I can legally carry when I enter your states.

MillCreek · « **Reply #362 on:** May 10, 2025, 12:23:16 PM »

Quote from: Ben on May 10, 2025, 11:39:19 AM

Are previously owned standard mags grandfathered in, or is this a, "If you're caught with a >10 round mag, you're going to the hoosegow" thing? You guys and Oregon are driving me nuts with trying to figure out what I can legally carry when I enter your states.

Ownership for a Washington state resident is no problem for any mags owned before the ban. In Washington, you cannot carry into the state any mags of more than 10 round capacity. That is considered 'importing' which is expressly forbidden by the law: https://app.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=9.41.370

Violation of the law is a gross misdemeanor, but having said that, there are no checkpoints at the state border. I have read that the Cabela's in Post Falls will not sell you standard capacity magazines if you are a Washington resident.

Live Life · « **Reply #363 on:** May 10, 2025, 01:32:20 PM »

Update to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474337#msg1474337

From SAF Investigative Journalism Project - https://saf.org/category/ijp/

ATF issuing suppressors for the ‘health and safety’ of its agents, but what about us? - https://saf.org/atf-issuing-suppressors-for-the-health-and-safety-of-its-agents-but-what-about-us/

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The ATF admitted it issues $1,300 rifle suppressors for the “health and safety” of its law enforcement agents, “due to the extensive training and quarterly firearms qualifications they must complete,” according to our story published Wednesday.

But those three words chosen by the ATF – health and safety – set off a bomb among readers, and rightly so, because of how those of us who aren’t ATF agents are treated if we want to protect our own health and safety.

Why do law-abiding Americans have to pay $200, submit a federal application, and jump through a series of legal hoops just to purchase a single silencer? Besides, most of us shoot a lot more than at quarterly firearms qualifications, so our hearing is at serious risk.

One reader pointed out that suppressors are safety devices for the ATF but are considered a privilege for those of us who aren’t ATF agents. Unfortunately, he is 100% correct. The ATF is completely wrong in its reasoning.

We can all agree that suppressors offer a tremendous boon to health and safety, but shouldn’t civilians receive the same benefits as our lowliest federal agents? We should be able to purchase them anywhere, anytime we want, without any federal forms, waiting periods or especially $200 fees.

Doesn’t the American public deserve the same level of health and safety that ATF agents receive, especially since we’re already funding theirs through our tax dollars?

If the ATF is correct and suppressors are true health and safety devices, why isn’t there one included in the box with every new gun purchase? The ATF already requires gunmakers to include padlocks and keys with every new sale. Why not suppressors, too?

Why do American citizens have to take second place to federal agents?

Don’t we have the same right to safeguard our own health and safety?

H.R.404 – Hearing Protection Act

Just four months ago, Congressman Ben Cline (R-VA) reintroduced the Hearing Protection Act (HPA), which was designed to reduce “the overly burdensome barriers required to purchase a firearm suppressor to ease access for law-abiding citizens simply trying to obtain the hearing protection they need.”

“Americans who enjoy hunting and target shooting should be able to do so safely and legally without facing burdensome government regulations,” Rep. Cline said. “The Hearing Protection Act will reclassify suppressors, making it easier for law-abiding gun owners to protect their hearing while enjoying recreational activities. It’s time to ensure that our Second Amendment rights are upheld, allowing responsible citizens to enjoy their freedoms without unnecessary obstacles.”

As it stands now, Cline’s bill has 76 cosponsors, and every single one is a Republican. The bill was assigned to the Committee on Ways and Means, and the Committee on the Judiciary, for a period of time that will be determined by the Speaker of the House,

The bill drew strong support from the gun community, including the American Suppressor Association (ASA), the National Shooting Sports Foundation (NSSF), the National Rifle Association (NRA), and the Congressional Sportsmen’s Foundation (CSF).

While representatives from all of the organizations were quoted in the bill’s press release, no one said anything better or more relevant than Lawrence G. Keane, NSSF’s senior vice-president and general counsel.

“Congressman Cline’s Hearing Protection Act will have the federal government recognize firearm suppressors for what they are. These are accessories to a firearm that make recreational shooting and hunting a safer experience,” Keane said. “These safety devices reduce the report of a firearm to a level that won’t cause instant and permanent hearing damage. Despite Hollywood’s depictions, they do not mask the sound of a firearm. The focus should be on removing barriers to safe and responsible use of firearms and dedicating resources to ensuring firearms are safeguarded from those who should never possess them. Strict regulatory control of firearm accessories, and the parts of those accessories that have no bearing on the function of a firearm, is unnecessary and not the wisest use of federal resources. NSSF thanks Congressman Cline for his leadership for ensuring safe and responsible use of firearms and dedicating necessary resources where they are most needed.”

Live Life · « **Reply #364 on:** May 11, 2025, 05:29:07 PM »

Update to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474425#msg1474425

Regarding HPA and SHORT Act Stalled in Committee - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474337#msg1474337

Sources Say Lobbyist Chris Cox & Rep Kustoff Pushing to Keep Suppressors on the NFA - https://www.ammoland.com/2025/05/sources-say-chris-cox-and-rep-kustoff-want-suppressors-on-the-nfa/

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The Hearing Protection Act (HPA) might be in trouble in the House Ways and Means Committee, and anti-gun lobbyists are NOT the ones holding it up.

David Kustoff (R-TN) has been actively pushing to lower the tax stamp to $5 from $200, which would be a welcome change, but the better alternative is to remove suppressors completely from the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). That would eliminate the tax stamp fee and remove all other NFA requirements.

This option is the best option for gun owners, yet he is pushing the latter and is against the elimination of suppressors from the NFA.

Rep Kustoff’s constituents include a substantial percentage of gun owners. His push to keep suppressors on the NFA does not make sense unless outside forces are putting pressure on his office to lower the fee to $5 instead of completely removing them from the NFA. Anti-gun groups would be lobbying to keep the status quo, meaning the pressure is most likely coming from the pro-gun side. AmmoLand News has been provided with the name of the lobbyist pushing for a fee reduction instead of elimination from the NFA by our sources inside the House Ways and Means Committee.

It is a name that should be familiar to most in the gun rights community….

Heavy lobbying is being done by the former head of the National Rifle Association’s Institute for Legislative Action (NRA-ILA), Chris Cox, a paid lobbyist. Cox is working to lower the tax stamp fee to $5 and keep suppressors on the NFA!

The current NRA-ILA has pushed for the removal of suppressors from the NFA, and Cox’s actions are contrary to that stance. Mr. Cox no longer has any connections to the NRA. Mr. Cox has also lobbied for a gun company that produces suppressors, which has strongly advocated removing silencers from the NFA, and could make millions of dollars if the hearing protection item is delisted from the NFA.

It is unclear if Chris Cox is advocating for a specific client of his lobbying firm, Capitol 6 Advisors, or if this is a personal issue for him, but Cox seemed to back a rule banning bump stocks under Trump’s first term while heading the NRA-ILA.

“What we’ve said has been very clear: that if something transfers a semi-automatic to function like fully automatic, then those should be regulated as well,” said Chris Cox in a Fox News 2017 interview.

Fast forward to 2025, and a less friendly gun stance would not be out of the norm for Cox, who claims to be a freedom fighter.

The question AmmoLand News is asking is who, if anyone, is paying for the lobbying. AmmoLand News is getting close to that answer, but has not been able to get confirmation of the rumors we are hearing.

Eliminating suppressors from the NFA and reducing the tax fee could both appear as separate provisions in the final markup. If the bill passes the House, the Senate will determine which version to adopt if that happens. While this isn’t the ideal outcome, it’s far better than having the language removing suppressors from the NFA excluded entirely, leaving only the lesser $5 tax stamp option on the table.

At this late date, phone calls are best.

Take Action:

Subject: Support the Full Hearing Protection Act – Remove Suppressors from the NFA

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Dear Representative,

As a strong supporter of the Second Amendment, I urge you to support the original language of the Hearing Protection Act (HPA) and REMOVE suppressors entirely from the National Firearms Act of 1934—not just reduce the tax stamp to $5.

Gun owners don’t want a bargain on bad policy—we want real reform. Lowering the fee keeps suppressors under unnecessary and unconstitutional regulation. Removing them from the NFA is the right move for safety, freedom, and common sense.

Please stand with gun owners, not lobbyists. Support the full Hearing Protection Act and remove suppressors from the NFA.

Thank you.

Sincerely,
[Your Full Name]
[City, State]

Ways and Means Committee Contact Information:

Ways and Means Committee
U.S. House of Representatives
1102 Longworth House Office Building
Washington D.C. 20515

Phone:(202) 225-3625
Fax: (202) 225-5680

Live Life · « **Reply #365 on:** May 12, 2025, 02:54:21 PM »

Update to AW/Magazine ban cases regarding Snope/Ocean State Tactical - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474368#msg1474368

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Rob Romano - https://x.com/2Aupdates/status/1921956475104080273

Snope v. Brown (#SCOTUS, 24-203): DISTRIBUTED for Conference of 5/15/2025. https://supremecourt.gov/docket/docketfiles/html/public/24-203.html

Live Life · « **Reply #366 on:** May 12, 2025, 09:03:11 PM »

Update to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474493#msg1474493

Regarding HPA and SHORT Act Stalled in Committee - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474493#msg1474493

GOA Blasts House Ways & Means Committee for Betraying Gun Owners with Unacceptable Suppressor Tax Compromise - https://www.gunowners.org/goa-blasts-house-ways-means-committee-for-betraying-gun-owners-with-unacceptable-suppressor-tax-compromise/

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Washington, D.C. — Gun Owners of America (GOA) today slammed the House Ways and Means Committee for choosing to protect unconstitutional gun registrations rather than ending an archaic infringement on the Second Amendment by advancing a so-called “compromise” provision that falls short of fully repealing the unconstitutional tax on suppressors and other firearms regulated under the National Firearms Act (NFA).

The newly released language, part of the broader tax package, reduces the transfer tax on suppressors to $0, but maintains a $200 tax on most other NFA firearms and codifies a reduced $5 tax on others. GOA has been working for months to ensure full deregulation of suppressors and the protection of pistol braces through reconciliation, providing detailed legal analysis to prove such reforms would pass Byrd Rule scrutiny.

GOA will continue to push for the full repeal of all NFA taxes and regulations, including the unjust $200 transfer tax on lawfully owned firearms and accessories.

Erich Pratt, Senior Vice President of Gun Owners of America, issued the following statement:

“This isn’t a compromise, it’s a betrayal. The House Ways and Means Committee chose to leave unconstitutional registration and taxes in place even though they had a clear path to repeal them. GOA made it crystal clear that full deregulation of suppressors and protection for brace owners was achievable under reconciliation. Lawmakers knew it, and they chose political convenience over principle. Gun owners won’t forget this.”

Aidan Johnston, Director of Federal Affairs for Gun Owners of America, issued the following statement:

“Congress has a clear path to dismantle the National Firearms Act through budget reconciliation because it is a $200 tax—plain and simple. Republicans have no excuse to not gut this unconstitutional law to the fullest extent the Senate Parliamentarian allows; anything less is cowardice and a direct compromise on our Second Amendment rights.”

Live Life · « **Reply #367 on:** May 13, 2025, 08:33:48 AM »

Update to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474617#msg1474617

Regarding HPA and SHORT Act Stalled in Committee - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474617#msg1474617

Quote from: Live Life on May 11, 2025, 05:29:07 PM

Sources Say Lobbyist Chris Cox & Rep Kustoff Pushing to Keep Suppressors on the NFA - https://www.ammoland.com/2025/05/sources-say-chris-cox-and-rep-kustoff-want-suppressors-on-the-nfa/

... David Kustoff (R-TN) has been actively pushing to lower the tax stamp to $5 from $200, which would be a welcome change, but the better alternative is to remove suppressors completely from the National Firearms Act of 1934 (NFA). That would eliminate the tax stamp fee and remove all other NFA requirements.

This option is the best option for gun owners, yet he is pushing the latter and is against the elimination of suppressors from the NFA.

Rep Kustoff’s constituents include a substantial percentage of gun owners. His push to keep suppressors on the NFA does not make sense unless outside forces are putting pressure on his office to lower the fee to $5 instead of completely removing them from the NFA. Anti-gun groups would be lobbying to keep the status quo, meaning the pressure is most likely coming from the pro-gun side. AmmoLand News has been provided with the name of the lobbyist pushing for a fee reduction instead of elimination from the NFA by our sources inside the House Ways and Means Committee.

Response from Representative Kustoff: (And heated responses from gun owners and constituents threatening to primary him on the "Discussion thread" - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70469.msg1474632#msg1474632)

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Rep. David Kustoff - https://x.com/RepDavidKustoff/status/1922034343800615094

I am committed to the fight for full removal of suppressors from the NFA, as well as other long overdue reforms to unconstitutional restrictions on law-abiding gun owners.

Live Life · « **Reply #368 on:** May 13, 2025, 01:46:14 PM »

Update to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474630#msg1474630

Regarding HPA and SHORT Act Stalled in Committee - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474630#msg1474630

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Gun Owners of America - https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1922027165819802029

Congress can gut the National Firearms Act using budget reconciliation because the NFA is a $200 tax.

By merely proposing to reduce the transfer tax on suppressors (even to $0), @WaysandMeansGOP are leaving the federal gun registry in place for EVERYTHING!

This is UNACCEPTABLE!

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Gun Owners of America - https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1922349874546409778

The RINOs negotiating your rights away are SO INCOMPETENT that they completely forgot that the NFA also levies a $200 "making" tax on suppressors.

But, OOPS! They only reduced the transfer tax to $0.

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Gun Owners of America - https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1922332402275217847

🚨BREAKING🚨

GOA & top firearms industry leaders urge Congress to repeal unconstitutional gun taxes under the NFA.

The No Compromise Alliance demands passage of the Hearing Protection Act & SHORT Act via budget reconciliation—fully & without compromise.

Our coalition of 20+ suppressor & brace companies urge Speaker Johnson, Leader Thune, & @WaysandMeansGOP Chairman Jason Smith to back GOA's strategy.

There is no reason Congress cannot FULLY STRIKE suppressors & short-barreled firearms from the archaic National Firearms Act.

Pb · « **Reply #369 on:** May 13, 2025, 02:31:55 PM »

I presume they think lowering the tax is a goal that is actually archivable (maybe).

Consider if the tax is eliminated, that will open up millions of more potential customers for suppressors.... soon they will be mainstream in every way.

And then it would be easier to get them off the NFA.

Live Life · « **Reply #370 on:** May 13, 2025, 03:56:11 PM »

Quote from: Live Life on May 13, 2025, 08:33:48 AM

Response from Representative Kustoff:

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Mrgunsngear - https://x.com/Mrgunsngear/status/1922373941009514558

GOA proof read the statement @RepDavidKustoff put out and corrected his errors 😎🤌🏽

Live Life · « **Reply #371 on:** May 13, 2025, 04:05:53 PM »

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Rep. Andrew Clyde - https://x.com/Rep_Clyde/status/1922371730179301653

The current reconciliation bill doesn’t cut it on numerous fronts—including 2A.

@WaysandMeansGOP must remove both the unconstitutional tax AND registration of SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors.

We cannot give up this key opportunity to deliver real 2A wins for the American people.

Live Life · « **Reply #372 on:** May 13, 2025, 07:51:17 PM »

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National Association for Gun Rights - https://x.com/NatlGunRights/status/1922359930532856117

Our gun lobbyists on the Hill are reporting office phones are ringing off the hook with patriots demanding full deregulation of suppressors and completely demolishing the NFA in each office they visit.

Keeping calling! Republican Committee members are below:

Chairman Rep. Jason Smith (202) 225-4404

Rep. Richard Neal (202) 225-5601
Rep. Vern Buchanan (202) 225-5015
Rep. Adrian Smith (202) 225-6435
Rep. Mike Kelly (202) 225-5406
Rep. David Schweikert (202) 225-2190
Rep. Darin Lahood (202) 225-6201
Rep. Jodey Arrington (202) 225-4005
Rep. Ron Estes (202) 225-6216
Rep. Lloyd Smucker (202) 225-2411
Rep. Kevin Hern (202) 225-2211
Rep. Carol Miller (202) 225-3452
Rep. Greg Murphy (202) 225-3415
Rep. David Kustoff (202) 225-4714
Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (202) 225-4276
Rep. Greg Stuebe (202) 225-5792
Rep. Claudia Tenney (202) 225-3665
Rep. Michelle Fischbach (202) 225-2165
Rep. Blake Moore (202) 225-0453
Rep. Beth Van Duyne (202) 225-6605
Rep. Randy Feenstra (202) 225-4426
Rep. Nicole Malliotakis (202) 225-3371
Rep. Mike Carey (202) 225-2015
Rep. Rudy Yakym (202) 225-3915
Rep. Max Miller (202) 225-3876
Rep. Aaron Bean (202) 225-0123
Rep. Nathaniel Moran (202) 225-3035

Live Life · « **Reply #373 on:** May 13, 2025, 08:23:57 PM »

Update to CA Handgun Roster due to Boland v Bonta (CA handgun roster) and Renna v Bonta (CA Unsafe Handgun Act/Handgun roster) - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1472881#msg1472881

10 more added to the roster including Staccato P4 (Takes Glock mags) and Keltec P15.

Recently Added Handgun Models (168 added since Boland 3/20/23 and Renna 4/3/23 v Bonta preliminary injunctions) - https://oag.ca.gov/firearms/certified-handguns/recently-added

An asterisk (*) next to the model name below indicates that the handgun was added pursuant to the court's order in Boland v. Bonta.

Manufacturer Model Caliber Gun Type Date Added

Magnum Research   DE44CABC (Brushed Chrome)   .44 Magnum   Pistol   6"   05/13/2025
Magnum Research   DE44CAPC (Polished Chrome)   .44 Magnum   Pistol   6"   05/13/2025
Magnum Research   DE44CA (Black)   .44 Magnum   Pistol   6"   05/13/2025
Magnum Research   DE44CABB (Burnt Bronze)   .44 Magnum   Pistol   6"   05/13/2025
Magnum Research   DE44CATU (Tungsten)   .44 Magnum   Pistol   6"   05/13/2025
Staccato 2011 LLC   P4*   9MM   Pistol   4"   05/13/2025
North American Arms   NAA-PUG-D-HG   .22 Magnum   Revolver   1"   05/07/2025
North American Arms   NAA-22LR-HG   .22 LR   Revolver   1.125"   05/07/2025
North American Arms   NAA-22MS-HG   .22 Magnum   Revolver   1.125"   05/07/2025
KelTec   P15*   9MM   Pistol   4"   05/07/2025
Colt   GRIZZLY (GRIZZLY-SP4RTS)   .357 Magnum   Revolver   4.25"   04/22/2025
Colt   KODIAK (KODIAK-SP4RTS)   .44 Magnum   Revolver   4.25"   04/22/2025
Walther   PDP 4.0" Compact*   9MM   Pistol   4"   04/04/2025
Walther   PDP 4.5" Full Size*   9MM   Pistol   4.5"   04/04/2025
Smith & Wesson 632-UC SKU 14034 .32 H&R Revolver 1.875" 03/27/2025
Smith & Wesson 432-UC SKU 14035 .32 H&R Revolver 1.875" 03/27/2025
Smith & Wesson 642-UC SKU 13995 .38 S&W SPL. Revolver 1.875" 03/27/2025
Smith & Wesson 442-UC SKU 13996 .38 S&W SPL. Revolver 1.875" 03/27/2025
Sig Sauer 322C-BAS-CA* .22 LR Pistol 4" 03/18/2025
Girsan/EAA MC P35 CAL LIBERADOR (GOLD)* 9MM Pistol 4.87" 03/11/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9L-FDE (HG7884CAD-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.2" 02/20/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9LS- SLIDE BLACK FRAME FDE (HG7885CABD-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.6" 02/20/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9LS-FDE (HG7885CAD-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.6" 02/20/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9L- SLIDE BLACK FRAME FDE (HG7884CABD-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.2" 02/20/2025
Biofire Smart Gun* 9MM Pistol 4.69" 02/04/2025
Smith & Wesson SD9VE CA COMP SKU 13580 H-175 (REB)* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 642-2 (S&W Logo Grip) SKU 163810A .38 Spl Revolver 1.87" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 686-6 Plus SKU 150854A .357 Magnum Revolver 5" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 686-6 M686 SKU 150712A .357 Magnum Revolver 6" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson PC 637-2 SKU 170349A .38 S&W Special +P Revolver 1.875" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson SD9VE 4" CA COMP SKU 123903* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 629-6 (Matte) SKU 170135B .44 Magnum Revolver 2.625" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson SD9VE CA COMP SLIDE SKU 13576 H-190 (ARMOR BLACK)* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 686-6 M686 SKU 150855A .357 Magnum Revolver 7" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 686-6 M686 SKU 150713A .357 Magnum Revolver 3" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson PC M642-2 SKU 170348A .38 Special +P Revolver 1.875" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 66-8 Combat Magnum SKU 10061A .357 Magnum Revolver 2.75" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson M629-6 SKU 170320B .44 Magnum Revolver 6" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson SD9VE CA COMP SKU 13577 H-127 (MAGPUL FDE)* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson M642-1 SKU 150972A .38 Spl Revolver 1.875" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 629-6 M629 Deluxe SKU 150714A .44 Magnum Revolver 6.5" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 69 Combat Magnum SKU 10064A .44 Magnum Revolver 2.75" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 460 XVR Hunter SKU 170339A .460 S&W Revolver 14" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson SD9VE CA COMP SKU 13578 H-236 (OD GREEN)* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 617-6 (S&W Logo Grip) SKU 160578A .22 LR Revolver 6" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 629-6 M629 Deluxe 3" SKU 150715A .44 Magnum Revolver 3" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 642 SKU 10186A .38 Special +P Revolver 1.875" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 642-1 (Matte Silver) SKU 178042A .38 Spl Revolver 1.87" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson SD9VE CA COMP SKU 13579 H-214 (BULL SHARK GREY)* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 637-2 (S&W Logo Grip) SKU 163050A .38 Spl Revolver 1.87" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 686-6 M686 SKU 150853A .357 Magnum Revolver 3" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson M642-2 SKU150466A .38 Spl Revolver 1.875" 01/28/2025
Smith & Wesson 686-6 Plus Pro Series (Stn Stnls) SKU 178038A .357 Magnum Revolver 5" 01/28/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9L- BLACK (HG7884CA-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.2" 01/23/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9-SLIDE BLACK FRAME FDE (HG7651CABD-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.2" 01/23/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9-FDE (HG7651CAD-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.2" 01/23/2025
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9LS- BLACK (HG7885CA-N)* 9MM Pistol 3.6" 01/23/2025
Shadow Systems MR920 SS-1052-CA* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/22/2025
Shadow Systems XR920 SS-3052-CA* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/22/2025
Heckler & Koch VP9 Match* 9MM Pistol 5.51" 01/22/2025
Shadow Systems XR920 SS-3040-CA* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/22/2025
Shadow Systems DR920P SS-2240-CA* 9MM Pistol 4.5" 01/22/2025
Shadow Systems MR920 SS-1040-CA* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/22/2025
Girsan/EAA MC P35 CAL LIBERADOR* 9MM Pistol 4.87" 01/14/2025
Shadow Systems XR920 SS-3039-CA* 9MM Pistol 3.75" 01/01/2025
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield Plus (Purple Frame)-14299* 9MM Pistol 3.1" 01/01/2025
Rost Martin RM1C FDE OSP* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/01/2025
Colt PYTHON (PYTHON-BP6WTS) .357 Magnum Revolver 6" 01/01/2025
Rost Martin RM1C GRAY OSP* 9MM Pistol 4" 01/01/2025
Henry Repeating Arm H016GD .22 S/L/LR Revolver 4" 01/01/2025
Shadow Systems DR920P SS-2239-CA* 9MM Pistol 4.5" 01/01/2025
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield Plus (Pink Slide)-14298* 9MM Pistol 3.1" 01/01/2025
Shadow Systems MR920 SS-1039-CA* 9MM Pistol 3.75" 01/01/2025
Smith & Wesson M&P9 Shield Plus (SLV/REB)-14297* 9MM Pistol 3.1" 01/01/2025
Colt PYTHON (PYTHON-BP4WTS) .357 Magnum Revolver 4.25" 01/01/2025
Rost Martin RM1C BLACK OSP* 9MM Pistol 4" 12/04/2024
FMK Firearms 9C1 G3 (Black)* 9MM Pistol 4" 12/03/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. LCP MAX 13748* 380 Auto Pistol 2.80" 11/26/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9 UPC 642230267961* 9mm Pistol 4.09" 11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9 UPC 642230267947* 9mm Pistol 4.09" 11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9L UPC 642230267985* 9mm Pistol 5" 11/20/2024
Heckler & Koch VP9SK UPC 642230268005* 9mm Pistol 3.39" 11/20/2024
Sig Sauer 365XL-9-ROSE-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.1" 10/30/2024
Century Arms Inc. METE MC9* 9mm Pistol 3.2" 10/08/2024
North American Arms NAA-PUG-D .22 Mag Revolver 1" 08/13/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. LCRx-05439B .22 WMRF Revolver 1.87" 07/17/2024
Smith & Wesson SD9 VE-11907* 9mm Pistol 4" 07/16/2024
Kimber RAPIDE (DAWN)(9MM)* 9mm Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Kimber RAPIDE (DAWN)(45ACP)* .45 ACP Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Kimber CUSTOM LW (SHADOW GHOST)(9MM)* 9mm Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Kimber CUSTOM LW (SHADOW GHOST)(45ACP)* .45 ACP Pistol 5" 07/03/2024
Smith & Wesson SW22 VICTORY SKU 108490* .22 LR Pistol 5.5" 06/12/2024
Springfield Armory Hellcat-Stainless HC9319SOSPCA* 9mm Pistol 3" 06/11/2024
Springfield Armory Hellcat Pro- Stainless HCP9379SOSPCA* 9mm Pistol 3.7" 06/11/2024
Sturm, Ruger & Co. SP101-05765A .22 LR Revolver 4.2" 05/21/2024
Sig Sauer 320XF-9-BXR3P-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 4.7" 05/16/2024
Sig Sauer 320X5-9-LEGION-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 5" 05/16/2024
Sig Sauer 365XCA-9-COMP-MS-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.1" 05/16/2024
Kahr Arms CW90G93/CW90G93N 9mm Pistol 3.5" 05/07/2024
Standard Manufacturing Co. S333 THUNDERSTRUCK GEN III .22 WMR Revolver 2.25" 05/07/2024
Springfield Armory XD-M Elite Compact 3.8 OSP-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.8" 04/03/2024
Springfield Armory XD-M Elite 4.5 OSP-CA* 9mm Pistol 4.5" 04/03/2024
Springfield Armory XD-M Elite 3.8 OSP-CA* 9mm Pistol 3.8" 04/03/2024
Girsan (Imported by European American Armory Corporation) MC P35* 9mm Pistol 4.87" 04/02/2024
Walther P22 CA (Grey Slide) Grey Grip .22 LR Pistol 3.42" 03/08/2024
Browning Buck Mark Medallion Rosewood* .22 LR Pistol 5.5" 03/05/2024
Browning Buck Mark Micro Bull* .22 LR Pistol 4" 03/05/2024
Taurus 2-85621ULC31NS .38 Special Revolver 2" 02/22/2024
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Live Life · « **Reply #374 on:** May 13, 2025, 11:15:48 PM »

Adding to Efforts to abolish ATF/Repeal NFA/Hearing Protection Act/Legalize suppressor parts and US v Peterson (5th Circuit ruling on "Silencer") - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474662#msg1474662

Regarding HPA and SHORT Act Stalled in Committee - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70249.msg1474688#msg1474688

Quote from: Live Life on May 13, 2025, 08:56:04 AM

Mark Smith - https://x.com/fourboxesdiner/status/1922018084606431313

Unless the Senate Parliamentarian has opined in writing that removing suppressors from the NFA would NOT be subject to the budget Reconciliation process, suppressors should be removed from the NFA. The main NFA problem is the REGISTRY, and not the de minimis tax.

I suspect removing suppressors from the NFA would fall squarely within Reconciliation. The NFA is a taxation scheme so changing the NFA (adding, subtracting, modifying) would be the same as amending the income tax code. With Reconciliation, you avoid Democrat Senate Filibuster

INCOMPETENT REPUBLICANS SELL OUT OUR 2A RIGHTS - https://youtu.be/raNpcECsQZc?t=94

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Rep. Andrew Clyde - https://x.com/Rep_Clyde/status/1922371730179301653

The current reconciliation bill doesn’t cut it on numerous fronts—including 2A.

@WaysandMeansGOP must remove both the unconstitutional tax AND registration of SBRs, SBSs, and suppressors.

We cannot give up this key opportunity to deliver real 2A wins for the American people.

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Gun Owners of America - https://x.com/GunOwners/status/1922440582368030790

💡 REMEMBER: The NFA is primarily a tax, so don’t let any RINO tell you that it cannot be FULLY REPEALED under Budget Reconciliation.

Republicans Want To Keep Suppressors Registered Like Machine Guns - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fvQMFqU1WSw

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Congress just pulled a fast one — and they want you to thank them for it. The Hearing Protection Act was supposed to remove suppressors from the NFA entirely. No $200 tax. No registry. No 9-month wait. Just walk in, buy a suppressor, and walk out.

But now? The House Ways and Means Committee watered it down. The $200 tax? Gone. But the registry? Still there. The red tape? Still there. And worst of all — they’re acting like this is a win.

In this episode, I break down exactly why this zero-dollar tax is a trap. Because if they can set the tax to $0, they can just as easily crank it back up. This isn’t about money — it’s about power.

⚠️ We still have time to fix this. The bill hasn’t gone to the full House yet. Call. Tag. Email. Tell them:

👉 FULL committee contact info:

HOUSE WAYS & MEANS COMMITTEE REPUBLICANS:
https://x.com/WaysandMeansGOP

Chairman Rep. Jason Smith (202) 225-4404
https://x.com/RepJasonSmith

Ranking Member Rep. Richard Neal (202) 225-5601
Rep. Vern Buchanan (202) 225-5015
Rep. Adrian Smith (202) 225-6435
Rep. Mike Kelly (202) 225-5406
Rep. David Schweikert (202) 225-2190
Rep. Darin Lahood (202) 225-6201
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Rep. Ron Estes (202) 225-6216
Rep. Lloyd Smucker (202) 225-2411
Rep. Kevin Hern (202) 225-2211
Rep. Carol Miller (202) 225-3452
Rep. Greg Murphy (202) 225-3415
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Rep. Brian Fitzpatrick (202) 225-4276
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Rep. Claudia Tenney (202) 225-3665
Rep. Michelle Fischbach (202) 225-2165
Rep. Blake Moore (202) 225-0453
Rep. Beth Van Duyne (202) 225-6605
Rep. Randy Feenstra (202) 225-4426
Rep. Nicole Malliotakis (202) 225-3371
Rep. Mike Carey (202) 225-2015
Rep. Rudy Yakym (202) 225-3915
Rep. Max Miller (202) 225-3876
Rep. Aaron Bean (202) 225-0123
Rep. Nathaniel Moran (202) 225-3035

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