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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #50 on: December 06, 2024, 11:39:20 AM »
Not sure if it was a porter or valet, but it did seem more like a self-preservation move on his part.

He has a weapon and you don't and there's nothing you can do for the other guy self-preservation understandably kicks in
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #51 on: December 06, 2024, 12:03:28 PM »
If you watch the video, there's a person standing there next to the wall.

When he aims the gun at the CEO, that person turns and walks away slowly.

Even discounting the whole "Dude has a gun out" thing, What else is that person expected to do?

This is NYC.  Daniel Penny to the white courteously phone.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #52 on: December 06, 2024, 12:24:31 PM »
Even discounting the whole "Dude has a gun out" thing, What else is that person expected to do?

This is NYC.  Daniel Penny to the white courteously phone.
Bingo.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #53 on: December 06, 2024, 12:39:24 PM »
Even discounting the whole "Dude has a gun out" thing, What else is that person expected to do?

This is NYC.  Daniel Penny to the white courteously phone.

Dude was focused on his target, not looking to mess with anyone else.

As I said before, this will turn out to be a family member. Hopefully NYPD won't waste to many resources looking.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #54 on: December 06, 2024, 12:50:41 PM »
Dude was focused on his target, not looking to mess with anyone else.
If I'm ever at the pointy end of a gun during a shooting I hope I move with a little more alacrity.  Just because this guy wasn't interested in taking out witnesses doesn't mean you can assume the same in general.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #55 on: December 06, 2024, 01:12:40 PM »
As can be expected, the "progressive" left is celebrating this guy's assassination.

Big time.

Stay classy, left wingers. Stay classy.

I’m struggling to find sympathy for him too. Not because he was a CEO, which is a main thing for the left, but because of the hot dogshit mess insurance companies, hand in hand with the government, have made of the healthcare system.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #56 on: December 06, 2024, 08:49:58 PM »
As can be expected, the "progressive" left is celebrating this guy's assassination.

Big time.

Stay classy, left wingers. Stay classy.

But, at the same time, they are also using it to promote the need for more gun control.

All hypocrisy all the time.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #57 on: December 06, 2024, 09:30:51 PM »
Saying his backpack was found in Central Park. No word on contents yet.
They're also saying they think he left town on a bus.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/nypd-finds-bag-possibly-belonging-to-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompsons-killer-in-central-park/
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #58 on: December 06, 2024, 09:33:59 PM »
But, at the same time, they are also using it to promote the need for more gun control.

All hypocrisy all the time.

He could have used a knife and they would call for more gun control like they've done before.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #59 on: December 06, 2024, 09:39:48 PM »
I'm guessing that the weapon went in a sewer or a dumpster, and the shooter is past Chicago by now. If he was careful with the fake IDs, and so on, and if he is a plotting SOB like me, they'll never figure him out. There's that one shot of his face - which could be a few jillion people.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #60 on: December 06, 2024, 10:08:07 PM »
Most people aren't good enough to outsmart the cops.  Mostly because you have to do everything right all the time.  They only have to do their thing right once.  They can mess up a bunch and still catch you.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #61 on: December 06, 2024, 10:20:26 PM »
If the shooter took a few basic precautions he'll never be caught. If he wore gloves handling the ammo. If he forever disposed of the gun (or at least the suppressor, and barrel, and extractor).  If he didn't leave DNA on anything he ditched nearby.
 
Biggest factor will be keeping his f'ing mouth shut.  Both now, and when he was planning the hit.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #62 on: December 06, 2024, 10:25:30 PM »
People attacking the hostel for cooperating with the police

Hostel where UnitedHealthCare CEO Brian Thompson’s suspected killer stayed flooded with reviews — some calling them ‘narcs’ for cooperating
https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/hostel-where-suspect-in-unitedhealthcare-ceo-slaying-stayed-flooded-with-reviews-with-some-calling-them-narcs-for-cooperating/
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #63 on: December 06, 2024, 10:50:24 PM »
Did Brian Thompson know the Clintons?

probably

Obviously a suicide then. Case closed.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #64 on: December 07, 2024, 07:31:28 AM »
Most people aren't good enough to outsmart the cops.  Mostly because you have to do everything right all the time.  They only have to do their thing right once.  They can mess up a bunch and still catch you.

The police would sure like you to think that. But it's not true.

Nationwide half the murderers get away with it.  Large urban centers like NYC and Chicago it's higher. Around 70% of murderers get away with it in Chicago.

Non murder violent crime is worse. Three quarters of rapists and robbers outsmart police.

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https://www.npr.org/2023/04/29/1172775448/people-murder-unsolved-killings-record-high

https://projects.csgjusticecenter.org/tools-for-states-to-address-crime/the-accountability-gap-unsolved-violent-crime-in-the-united-states/

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #65 on: December 07, 2024, 07:57:12 AM »
All true, but high profile crimes get way more time and attention than property crimes or NHI murders.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #66 on: December 07, 2024, 09:24:23 AM »
Pretty interesting that no cars seem to have been mentioned. The guy might not be the brightest but he clearly thought it through and thought it through well.

I know a guy associated with outdoor rescue organization. He said the first thing they do for missing people is track their car. According to him just about any car past 2015 can be tracked if you have access to the systems, which they do somehow as a search and rescue op. This is believable considering how Mozilla foundation gave cars "below their worst possible" digital privacy rating. I was reminded of this when I was rolling through a parking lot a while back looking at the various cars. All the older cars, like the much beloved 1999 Corolla I used to have, or anything from the early 2000s, had smooth tops. All the recent cars had some kind of antenna bump on top. Never gave it too much thought since I figured it was for satellite radio or GPS. Now I see the antenna bump much differently and wonder how we ever agreed to have our cars tracked by the government. But we didn't agree. It was done between the corporations and the government; we are just consumers and subjects, pigs in a cage. Another reason I'm sad my 2006 died on me. But even without actual car tracking, there's probably enough toll booths, speed cameras and plate readers you can't go far in a car without being tracked. So things are a lot different than the roaring 20s when getaway cars let gangsters get away with crimes and then disappear out of town. Nowadays if you want to get away with murder you have to leave your phone home and also never get in a car, which this guy seems to have done.

Typical buses and metro systems are surprisingly anonymous. I was reminded of this when I was in DC this summer. If you have cash, you ride--anywhere you want, on any train, circulate and change lines, and get off, and there's no authentication or verification. Even if you use a SmarTrip card, it's a cash-equivalent card....you buy it with cash, it's not associated to you at all; you can swap (I bought one for my son while he was still in the hotel). On systems that still use paper tickets, if you use paper tickets, they can't even associate the exit turnstile with the entrance. If you use a cash card, presumably the ability to match those is there, but I don't know if it's actually used or not. And there's the option of jumping the turnstile or swapping cards with someone...I'm sure with some charm if you had a card with $50 you could swap it with any random somebody who's card is running low and just say you're leaving the city and loaded up too much etc...or just bribe them with more cash than they have on their card.

Buses seem even better because many still allow you to pay straight up cash and get off wherever. I suppose that's why the Claims Adjuster went by bus.

Early reports said he rode a Citibike rental bike at some point. I thought that would be the stupidest thing to do, because you normally need a phone app to ride them, and between that and whatever GPS they obviously have, would just be the stupidest thing to do. Now I'm hearing it wasn't a rental bike. Which means either he relied on being able to steal a bike, he stashed a bike ahead of time (possibly still stolen), or he coordinated with somebody else to stash a bike. And I haven't heard about a bike being identified or recovered either.

The limiting factor for a crime like this seems to be video surveillance. The bus and subway are going to be limited by whatever cameras they have, but there's cameras all over NY anyway. I've been assuming face recognition and AI will change that game to where you can't walk down the street anon anymore, or at least not for much longer, but the fact this guy got out actually is a promising indicator that the surveillance state, even in NY, is far from perfected. A bit of disguise, a swap of clothes, and going through a few surveillance dead spots seems to be enough still.

So basically if you wanted to get away you'd do exactly what this guy did.... leave your phone at home of course. Take a bus into the city, so nobody knows what stop you got on, got off, or even when you came in. Never use a car, because even a hired or stolen car can be tracked nowadays. Some strategic disguise swaps and you're gone. He was probably in another state within 2 hours. Personally I think the hostels angle is a total false lead. Of course the police questioned the hostel and of course there has somebody who checked into the hostel fitting the description (white male, 16-40 yo). The hostel guy is probably completely unrelated person, he's just the only lead they have, although it wouldn't surprise me to see them track down hostel dude and run him through the wringer just so it looks like they have a lead.

I'm more worried about this crime being used as justification for anti-privacy than that it will be used to push gun control.... NYC is already gun control ground zero anyway. More worried about bus systems requiring ID, bikes needing registered, checkpoints, camera swarms in central Park, etc. etc.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #67 on: December 07, 2024, 10:17:08 AM »
Saying his backpack was found in Central Park. No word on contents yet.
They're also saying they think he left town on a bus.

https://nypost.com/2024/12/06/us-news/nypd-finds-bag-possibly-belonging-to-unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompsons-killer-in-central-park/

So, a push for TSA like controls on busses coming?
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #68 on: December 07, 2024, 10:20:04 AM »
. . . Biggest factor will be keeping his f'ing mouth shut.  Both now, and when he was planning the hit.
Good point. Didn't they catch Bernie Goetz (the 1984 subway shooter) because he opened his mouth?

There's an old saying that two people can only keep a secret if one of them is dead . . .

As a general issue - how many OTHER people were murdered in NYC in the month before this CEO killing, and how many in the few days since then? And how do the next of kin of THOSE victims feel about the amount of law enforcement effort being expended on THIS killing vs. the attention the cops gave to the loss of THEIR family?
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #69 on: December 07, 2024, 10:37:14 AM »
Think if Harris won we would be seeing more restrictions on silencers or even a ban in the cards being triggered by this?
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #70 on: December 07, 2024, 10:38:17 AM »
NYC averages between 1 and 2 homicides a day.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #71 on: December 07, 2024, 02:04:06 PM »
All true, but high profile crimes get way more time and attention than property crimes or NHI murders.

This. With the low-profile violent crimes, it's not so much that the perps outsmart the police as that the police just don't care to expend the energy necessary to solve the crime.

In the case of the United Healthcare CEO, I wonder if the shooter will remain uncaught. He allowed his face to be caught (partially) on camera. We don't know if he ALWAYS wore gloves when handling the firearm and the ammunition. The police have recovered a water bottle they believe was his. If he ever dank from it, even if he wore gloves his DNA will be on it. He apparently ditched the backpack somewhere in Central Park. If they find it, they're almost certain to find his DNA on it or on something in it.

IMHO the CEO was a scumbag, but he was a wealthy and connected scumbag, so there will be a lot of effort devoted to finding the shooter. Stay tuned.  [popcorn]
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #72 on: December 07, 2024, 02:32:26 PM »
I found the killer, look at the similarities!

*expletive deleted*in' Muad'Dib got him! 😄

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #73 on: December 07, 2024, 03:16:53 PM »
With those words scratched into the brass, what are the chances he did that without gloves?  Same for loading the magazine.
Didn't the news report the police found not only 3 fired brass but also 3 UNFIRED rounds?  There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #74 on: December 07, 2024, 03:29:43 PM »
With those words scratched into the brass, what are the chances he did that without gloves?  Same for loading the magazine.
Didn't the news report the police found not only 3 fired brass but also 3 UNFIRED rounds?  There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.


Could have cleaned them after engraving. He would be a lot dumber than apparent if he loaded the mag without gloves.  At least 2, maybe 3 unfired rounds found from what I saw.
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