UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC

[Perd Hapley]

This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?

[Ben]

This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?

Yes.

[dogmush]

Let's also not forget the estranged wife who stood to lose quite a bit of money if homeboy went down for the crimes that he was reportedly being investigated for.

Now she's single and very rich.

Has anyone seen what her pilates instructor looks like? Odds are always good on "wife did it"

[WLJ]

  There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.

Video in Reply #8

[WLJ]

Divers searching Central Park lake
+ the mayor is saying they has a suspect's name.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14168997/Police-divers-search-Central-Park-lake-New-York-brian-thompson.html

[Kingcreek]

Really doesn’t have anything to do with this thread but my bro in law was giving us a driving tour and showed us the CEO’s estate a couple years ago.
My but it was grand. His entrance gates and drive probably (certainly) cost more than most nice suburban houses. BIL retired from the company UHC.

[AZRedhawk44]

Divers searching Central Park lake
+ the mayor is saying they has a suspect's name.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14168997/Police-divers-search-Central-Park-lake-New-York-brian-thompson.html

Bull.  They said this 48 hours ago, too.  Didn't release a name.

They're sweating the guy, trying to get him to turn himself in, or to get anyone in the public that has leads but is hesitant due to anticorporate sympathies, to decide to call the cops before rewards disappear. 

They don't have a name.

[AZRedhawk44]

This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?

Yes.

Hostels are wonderful ways to see all sorts of parts of the US.  While mostly used by teens and 20-somethings, they're open to all ages.  I just used a hostel with a group of friends up in Dolores, CO earlier this year.  Awesome little hostel.  Super clean, spartan, inexpensive, and fun way to socialize with other travelers.

This particular one was themed towards mountain bikers, but they didn't mind us "ADV dads" coming through and staying.

[dogmush]

There was at least one report that a video said he had to rack the gun and clear the chamber, something that happens when using a suppressor, and especially with subsonic rounds.

Subsonic rounds, at least in 9mm which these were, have basically the same energy as supers, and don't affect the gun's cycling with or without a can.

He almost certainly had a homebuilt can, and the lack of a booster is almost certainly why it was cycling sluggishly, not the ammo.  I have 3 or 4 pistols I shoot suppressed and they all cycle fine with subs.

[HankB]

FBI is involved and according to a TV report I saw they're offering a $50,000 reward . . . how often does the FBI get involved in murder investigations?

[BobR]

FBI is involved and according to a TV report I saw they're offering a $50,000 reward . . . how often does the FBI get involved in murder investigations?

In this case probably because they are pretty sure the shooter has crossed state lines.

bob

[WLJ]

Shirts for sale

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1865590637866926117

[Ben]

Shirts for sale

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1865590637866926117

So these are cool, but my Gadsden t-shirt is extremist. Got it.

[WLJ]

Reportedly the backpack contained a jacket and Monopoly money

[230RN]

Did anyone mention he should get rid of the box of original ammo and maybe the engraving device?  I don't know if that's a legitimate concern, but who knows what these forensic experts can come up with.  It looks like shucking the backpack, if that was his, was a mistake. "Any dumpster in a storm." (I can't imagine Mr. Anybody just dropping a back pack and forgetting it there.)

And why would he venture into this kind of premed crime carrying a backpack anyway, let alone containing those items?  Was it a stolen backpack, worn to quickly change his description by shucking it?  It's almost as if he wanted someone to find it.

And I'm not one to kite off on tranny stuff, but those face images look pretty girlish.  And he flirted with someone?  This individual may be a master of misdirection.

[AZRedhawk44]

Shirts for sale

https://x.com/libsoftiktok/status/1865590637866926117

Meh.  No different than the "Resist" T-shirt from the Bundy standoff in Nevada, with a guy aiming a Mini-14 between cement highway barriers at BLM agents.

[Northwoods]

Meh.  No different than the "Resist" T-shirt from the Bundy standoff in Nevada, with a guy aiming a Mini-14 between cement highway barriers at BLM agents.

How many of those agents were killed?

[zahc]

He obviously wanted the backpack to be found. It had Monopoly money in it which is clearly a joke or political statement. And yes, the backpack may have been a ringer with the sole purpose of making it easier to change disguise.

[MechAg94]

Did anyone mention he should get rid of the box of original ammo and maybe the engraving device?  I don't know if that's a legitimate concern, but who knows what these forensic experts can come up with.  It looks like shucking the backpack, if that was his, was a mistake. "Any dumpster in a storm." (I can't imagine Mr. Anybody just dropping a back pack and forgetting it there.)

And why would he venture into this kind of premed crime carrying a backpack anyway, let alone containing those items?  Was it a stolen backpack, worn to quickly change his description by shucking it?  It's almost as if he wanted someone to find it.

And I'm not one to kite off on tranny stuff, but those face images look pretty girlish.  And he flirted with someone?  This individual may be a master of misdirection.

It seems to me the the backpack, jacket, and hood/mask could have been obtained at a Goodwill or second hand store.  How well do they clean those when they resell them?  Would it have lots of previous DNA on it?  If he hung out nearby as a homeless person for a few days no telling what is on the clothes. 

The backpack likely had a change of clothes (at least a different jacket, hood, mask) so he could get clear.  By now he probably hasn't shaved and doesn't look like the photo too much.  The other photos that were circulating that were supposedly the shooter didn't look too much like him to me.

[MechAg94]

Subsonic rounds, at least in 9mm which these were, have basically the same energy as supers, and don't affect the gun's cycling with or without a can.

He almost certainly had a homebuilt can, and the lack of a booster is almost certainly why it was cycling sluggishly, not the ammo.  I have 3 or 4 pistols I shoot suppressed and they all cycle fine with subs.

That has been my experience.  However, I don't remember anyone telling me the booster device was for reliability when I first got a pistol suppressor.  They always said it the suppressor would eventually get damaged if you didn't use one.  I guess it depends on the gun. 

[230RN]

MechAg94 remarked,

"How well do they clean those when they resell them?"

Doesn't matter. Once they're on the rack, dozens of people pawing through the clothes would have left DNA on them.

"Would it have lots of previous DNA on it?"

My bet:  Yes.  Along with the other clothes and possibly Monopoly money.

I guess you could say it's diluting and contaminating the sample.  Jokingly, I can hear the DNA esults:  "Only one in 4.3 people in the whole population can have the same DNA markers."  Just a joke, but....

Don't know anything about silencers / suppressors, but it seems to me that anything that slows down the recoil jet effect of the gun's exhaust gases might reduce the recoil available to operate the gun's mechanism... resulting in lower reliability of operation....?  Sort of like throttling a rocket engine or muzzling a jet plane exhaust....?  As in thrust reversers?  Still thinking about that one...

Unsilenced muzzle blast 5000 psi, silenced muzzle blast only 1000 psi...?

Normal muzzle blast recoil pushed back on the mechanism, but with a "suppressor" the gases are now pushing the "suppressor" forward as well.

Action / reaction?  Different subject, different thread?

What would Uncle Ike Newton say?

Terry, 230RN

[Ben]

That has been my experience.  However, I don't remember anyone telling me the booster device was for reliability when I first got a pistol suppressor.  They always said it the suppressor would eventually get damaged if you didn't use one.  I guess it depends on the gun.

I was told the booster was for tilt barrel pistols to reliably cycle. I don't have any 1911s with threaded barrels, but I assume they are direct thread?

[230RN]

Seems to me the sudden upward torque of a tilt barrel might put too much stress on the threading and would, by its sheer "angular mass" inhibit the locking / unlocking principles involved.  I note the straight-line lockup of the 92 would not affect torquey strain on the threading.

[Hawkmoon]

Could have cleaned them after engraving. He would be a lot dumber than apparent if he loaded the mag without gloves.  At least 2, maybe 3 unfired rounds found from what I saw.

I think "engraving" may have been media embellishment. At least one report suggested that the words were written on the cases with a marker -- probably a Sharpie.

[Hawkmoon]

This is the first I've ever heard of hostels existing in the United States. Am I alone in this?

Like you, I was not aware that such things exist in the U.S.