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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #175 on: December 10, 2024, 05:16:18 PM »
K Frame, that may fit.  I am hearing he had some sort of lower back injury (and surgery) that may have affected some functions below that.


Regardless, I don't want to close the door on other possibilities.  All evidence points to what you are saying so far.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #176 on: December 10, 2024, 05:29:55 PM »
Full manifesto.
Really kind of short as manifestos usually go and basically a rant against heath care in America and United in particular

https://x.com/Breaking911/status/1866597894557495428 
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #177 on: December 10, 2024, 05:30:00 PM »
He's a slowly evolved zealot who decided to strike a blow for the little people against the wrongs perpetrated by the evil big corporations and their handlers.

I'm not even sure we can call him a zealot. Maybe a pseudo-zealot (but then maybe a lot of zealots are just pseudo-zealots) because, and again, the information flow is ever-changing, but I'm getting the impression that this was all about him and his particular insurance case that he thought he was getting screwed on. All his "power to the people" crap is either him consciously trying to promote his selfish actions as selfless and being Robin Hood-like, or his brain trying to subconsciously justify what he's doing for himself as some righteous cause for society. Which, I guess the latter would fall under actual "zealot".

As it appears that his family is valued well into eight figures, one wonders why his family didn't just do a cash negotiation for what the insurance didn't cover, if it was that life-affecting of an injury.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #178 on: December 10, 2024, 05:40:59 PM »
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« Reply #179 on: December 10, 2024, 07:43:37 PM »
I guess trying to understand crazy people is a fool's errand after all, but I just don't understand why not turn yourself in vs. carry around all the evidence needed to incriminate you for 4 days until you are conveniently "caught". It's either he's a patsy, or some kind of crazy. Or a crazy patsy; the best kind of patsy.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #180 on: December 10, 2024, 09:40:44 PM »
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #181 on: December 10, 2024, 09:49:09 PM »
Supposedly according to this article there's a longer (another?) manifesto where he blames United for his mother's pain.
I'm not seeing any mention of his mother in anything I can find so far. I'm thinking it's fake and the article even mentions that possibility

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14179053/Luigi-Mangione-allegedly-murdered-healthcare-CEO-Podcast-claims-manifesto.html

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #182 on: December 10, 2024, 11:57:16 PM »
Just read several articles. I found something that may help explain why he still had the gun and the fake IDs:

https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-c68d0328f278d85fcf201ae89f634098

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A law enforcement official who wasn’t authorized to discuss the investigation publicly and spoke with The Associated Press on condition of anonymity said a three-page, handwritten document found with Mangione included a line in which he claimed to have acted alone.

“To the Feds, I’ll keep this short, because I do respect what you do for our country. To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone,” the document said, according to the official.

It also said, “I do apologize for any strife or traumas but it had to be done. Frankly, these parasites simply had it coming.”

"Parasites" is plural. It may be that he planned to travel around the country and whack a few more health insurance moguls before either turning himself in or killing himself.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #183 on: December 11, 2024, 12:49:54 AM »
Just read several articles. I found something that may help explain why he still had the gun and the fake IDs:

https://apnews.com/article/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-suspect-c68d0328f278d85fcf201ae89f634098

"Parasites" is plural. It may be that he planned to travel around the country and whack a few more health insurance moguls before either turning himself in or killing himself.

Yes, it really looks that way.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #184 on: December 11, 2024, 07:00:44 AM »
Someone said that he had been reading the Unabomber's manifesto?

That's another think that points to the zealot.

And Ben, I use the word zealot descriptively, not definitively. It's a lot easier than trying to define his level of engagement with his beliefs. Have they yet evolved into what would truly be zealot-level anti-societal psychosis?

Who knows, and more importantly, who cares? That level of distinction is for the shrinks to fight out in court.

The only think we truly need to know for our purposes is that something, some event, some incident, some deficiency in some system, focused him and eventually radicalized him to a degree that he decided to strike out.

Is there, like the Unabomber, a level of mental illness that comes into play? Again, who knows, who cares, shrink *expletive deleted*it. I'm suspecting that his defense might try floating an insanity defense but from what I know about that tactic it's not going to fly. His actions, both before and after the shooting, point to a well laid-out plan, and that level of planning generally kills the insanity defense.


What I'm fully expecting is that he's going to push for a full trial, and he's going to push to testify, not in his defense, but to make his agenda be heard.

Gonna be interesting.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #185 on: December 11, 2024, 08:23:24 AM »
Ironically, it appears that his family made their money building nursing homes and hospitals. Also, an interesting point was brought up that at 26, he would have been kicked off his parents' health insurance, as per Obamacare. I wonder if he ran into this because he was kicked off  their insurance and didn't get his own, continuing to file under his parents' policy?

Still, the social media is becoming more and more disgusting regarding the hero worship for someone who I still believe did this 100% for themselves, and not "for the people". Especially when compared to what Daniel Penny continues to go through. We truly are in the "good times/weak men" era.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #186 on: December 11, 2024, 08:30:03 AM »
I've very purposefully stayed away from reading any of the hero worship crap.

It disgusts me.

Yeah, the big insurance companies generally disgust me, but I'm not running out and blasting at their staff. 
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #187 on: December 11, 2024, 08:52:22 AM »
Yeah, the big insurance companies generally disgust me, but I'm not running out and blasting at their staff.

While not defending the insurance companies, I would submit that if people want to find a primary guilty party, they should look towards a former community organizer and a lady in DC who makes the best stock market choices ever.

To me, this is all reminiscent of the banking crisis, after Barney Frank forced banks to give massive loans out to people totally unqualified and unable to repay them. The banks were not guilt free, but it was the politicians that created the situation of the banks doing grey area shady deals and loan shuffling to keep from going bankrupt.

This is all the government trying to "fix" the free market.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #188 on: December 11, 2024, 09:33:17 AM »
While not defending the insurance companies, I would submit that if people want to find a primary guilty party, they should look towards a former community organizer and a lady in DC who makes the best stock market choices ever.

To me, this is all reminiscent of the banking crisis, after Barney Frank forced banks to give massive loans out to people totally unqualified and unable to repay them. The banks were not guilt free, but it was the politicians that created the situation of the banks doing grey area shady deals and loan shuffling to keep from going bankrupt.

This is all the government trying to "fix" the free market.

You aren't wrong, but in my opinion it goes even farther back.

.Gov freezes wages to combat inflation, and later the IRS says people are dodging taxes, so they make it illegal to pay workers more than "market" for their work, so employers had to be creative to attract good workers.  Enter the concept of non cash "Benefits package" including paying for employee's health care.  Then the Insurance industry took off, and .gov felt the need to regulate that.  Goes back to the 40's.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #189 on: December 11, 2024, 09:40:41 AM »
You aren't wrong, but in my opinion it goes even farther back.

.Gov freezes wages to combat inflation, and later the IRS says people are dodging taxes, so they make it illegal to pay workers more than "market" for their work, so employers had to be creative to attract good workers.  Enter the concept of non cash "Benefits package" including paying for employee's health care.  Then the Insurance industry took off, and .gov felt the need to regulate that.  Goes back to the 40's.

Sort of like with college where prices sky rocketed once the govt start footing much of the bill.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #190 on: December 11, 2024, 11:06:12 AM »
Ironically, it appears that his family made their money building nursing homes and hospitals.

It has also been reported that one of his sisters is a doctor.
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #191 on: December 11, 2024, 12:05:58 PM »
Reportedly they got a fingerprint match

Luigi Mangione’s fingerprints match those on KIND bar, water bottle found near scene of Brian Thompson shooting
https://nypost.com/2024/12/11/us-news/luigi-mangiones-fingerprints-match-those-on-kind-bar-water-bottle-found-near-scene-of-brian-thompson-shooting/
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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #192 on: December 11, 2024, 01:43:39 PM »
Wanted posters for Thompson and other CEOs being put up.

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Other posters donned the faces of Optum CEO Heather Cianfrocco and UnitedHealth CEO Andrew Witty were seen on green scaffolding on Wall Street, according to video.

The posters warn that “HEALTH CARE CEOS SHOULD NOT FEEL SAFE” and include “DENY… DEFEND… DEPOSE” — the three words found on the bullets allegedly shot by Luigi Mangione, who is accused of gunning down Thompson outside a Midtown hotel last week.

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Re: UnitedHealthcare CEO shot and killed in NYC
« Reply #193 on: December 11, 2024, 06:18:13 PM »
I think Elizabeth Warren is a Senator. I hear they often push people too far. What if people take matters into their own hands with her?

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Sen. @ewarren on the UnitedHealth murderer: "Violence is never the answer. This guy gets a trial who’s allegedly killed the CEO of UnitedHealth. But you can only push people so far. And then they start to take matters into their own hands.”

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/12/11/elizabeth-warren-defends-ceo-murderer-n2405023

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« Reply #194 on: December 11, 2024, 06:20:45 PM »
She's been grumpy ever since they took her image off the butter.
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« Reply #195 on: December 11, 2024, 07:55:05 PM »
Salon wants to know what has become of our country when there are people out there that would turn in the murderer.

https://twitchy.com/amy-curtis/2024/12/11/salon-on-mcdonalds-arrest-of-luigi-mangione-n2405024
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« Reply #196 on: December 11, 2024, 08:56:51 PM »
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« Reply #197 on: December 12, 2024, 11:25:48 AM »
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« Reply #198 on: December 12, 2024, 01:10:05 PM »
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« Reply #199 on: December 12, 2024, 06:25:03 PM »
Assassin Luigi Mangione Takes Lead In 2028 Democratic Primary Polls
https://babylonbee.com/news/assassin-luigi-mangione-takes-lead-in-2028-democratic-primary-polls
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