Is it time to end Daylight Saving Time?

[Live Life]

Daylight Saving Time was originally instituted to save energy but now Trump wants to end the twice a year practice of "spring forward" and "fall back" - https://apnews.com/article/trump-daylight-saving-time-36ccbf61bea70aaac0f5c43b8029957c

     "The Republican Party will use its best efforts to eliminate Daylight Saving Time, which has a small but strong constituency, but shouldn’t! Daylight Saving Time is inconvenient, and very costly to our Nation”

I have adjusted to the twice a year ritual all my life without too much issue but would not have any issue if Daylight Saving Time ended.

Should we end Daylight Saving Time?

[JN01]

Seems kind of pointless to change back and forth.  Stay on or off DST, I don't care which. 

[Hawkmoon]

I think within the last year some one (probably the federal government) wanted to permanently put us ON daylight saving time. That would have made a complete mockery of the entire concept of time zones.

I would be overjoyed if we eliminated DST. It doesn't "save" any daylight -- it just artificially rearranges everyone's schedule. I can't imaging what it costs airlines, railroads, and bus companies to juggle their schedules (which means juggling their personnel and equipment) twice every year. DST serves no constructive purpose in today's society. I would be delighted to see it eliminated.

[Ben]

Whenever these conversations pop up (here and elsewhere) I find it often depends on geography and lifestyle.

I live at the Western edge of Mountain time. In fact not just an "edge", but a big protrusion into Pacific time. In a sane world I would be in Pacific time, at which point I wouldn't care which they chose, as long as they stuck with one. As it is, today sunrise will be 0814. That would be 0914 in daylight time. Too much morning dark for me. Plus I'm an "early to bed, early to rise" guy, and I hate it being broad daylight when I hit the rack at 2130 in July.

So for me, because I'm a traditionalist, and because of where I live related to time zones, I'm a big "standard" proponent. If they moved me to Pacific time, I'd still be in favor of standard time, but could live with all year DST.

[K Frame]

Yes, Jeebus yes!

Stop this change insanity! It has never done what they've always claimed it would!

[MechAg94]

Yes, stop with the time changes.  It is healthy for people to see the changes in sunrise and sunset as we go through the year. 

[grampster]

I have always enjoyed DST here in Michigan.  It is nice to have more daylight here where our warm, pleasant days are are fewer than elsewhere.
  If you go to bed early, or you have kids, pull down the shade.   

[Live Life]

Yes, stop with the time changes.  It is healthy for people to see the changes in sunrise and sunset as we go through the year.

One thing I did notice and experience personally was the effect of "spring forward" had on the sleep pattern of losing an hour's sleep.  I wonder if anyone had done a study of sleep pattern disruption and work productivity?

Not to mention people showing up an hour late to work. 

[WLJ]

One thing I did notice and experience personally was the affect of "spring forward" had on the sleep pattern of losing an hour's sleep.  I wonder if anyone had done a study of sleep pattern disruption and work productivity?

Not to mention people showing up an hour late to work. 

I know I've seen then somewhere.


And yes, pick one and stick to it.

[Brad Johnson]

I have always enjoyed DST here in Michigan.  It is nice to have more daylight ...

I always enjoy how DST slows the earth's rotation 8 months a year.

Brad

[Live Life]

I wonder if anyone had done a study of sleep pattern disruption and work productivity?

I know I've seen then somewhere.

I wonder what they found.

If you go to bed early, or you have kids, pull down the shade.   

Another thing I noticed is our dogs and cats could care less about Daylight Saving Time ... They continue to go to bed and wake up at the usual times and start meowing and fussing around for breakfast "an hour early" even though humans are still in bed.

[WLJ]

I always enjoy how DST slows the earth's rotation 8 months a year.

Brad

Climate change

[HankB]

I have always enjoyed DST here in Michigan.  It is nice to have more daylight here where our warm, pleasant days are are fewer than elsewhere.
  If you go to bed early, or you have kids, pull down the shade.   

I enjoyed DST most when I lived in Chicago and, later on, in Minnesota. For pretty much the same reasons as grampster. When I was working, it gave me more time after work to enjoy the outdoors . . . or do yard work . . . after I got home during the week.

Now that I'm in Texas and retired, it's not that important to me . . . but given a choice, I still like having more sunlight in the evening. Morning dark doesn't bother me.

[Live Life]

And does US military observe DST?

ETA:  Looks like some bases and operations factor DST and ending DST should make military operations simpler/easier in the US and around the world.

"What?  We were supposed to bomb that facility an hour ago?  Damn the DST!"

[dogmush]

And does US military observe DST?

ETA:  Looks like some bases and operations factor DST and ending DST should make military operations simpler/easier in the US and around the world.

"What?  We were supposed to bomb that facility an hour ago?  Damn the DST!"

For operations that cross time zones, we usually use "ZULU" or UTC time.  In any official doc or Operations Order you are supposed to use a "Date-Time Group" or DTG.  The format for that is Day-Time-Time zone-Month Year or DDTTTTZMMMYY.  So right now, where I'm sitting its 161002EDEC24  If I wanted to denote this time in something going outside my local area I would write it as 161502ZDEC24.  The zones are defined by their difference from UTC so if I was writing during Daylight savings, I would either use the letter for the zone with the right offset or the letter "J" which is "local" time (I would then need to include local to where).

Which is why we almost always just use Zulu.

This is all laid out in FM 5-0 "PLANNING AND ORDERS PRODUCTION"

D-39. Order writers express all times in a plan or order in terms of one time zone, for example ZULU or
LOCAL. Staffs include the appropriate time zone indicator in the heading data and mission statement. For
example, the time zone indicator for Central Standard Time (known as CST) in the continental United States
is SIERRA. When daylight savings time is in effect, the time zone indicator for Central Daylight Time
(known as CDT) is ROMEO. The relationship of local time to ZULU time, not the geographic location,
determines the time zone indicator to use.

[bedlamite]

This seems to come up about twice a year. Pick one and stick with it, Don't care which.

[Live Life]

This seems to come up about twice a year. Pick one and stick with it, Don't care which.

But this time, difference is Trump actually wants to end the DST - https://armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?topic=70294.msg1457655#msg1457655

.. now Trump wants to end [DST] - https://apnews.com/article/trump-daylight-saving-time-36ccbf61bea70aaac0f5c43b8029957c

    "The Republican Party will use its best efforts to eliminate Daylight Saving Time, which has a small but strong constituency, but shouldn’t! Daylight Saving Time is inconvenient, and very costly to our Nation”

[K Frame]

"But this time, difference is Trump actually wants to end the DST"

Wait... what?

OH MY GOD NO! DST IS A SACRED PILLAR OF OUR DEMOCRACY! FIGHT THE ORANGE MAN'S ATTEMPTS TO DESTROY DEMOCRATIC TIME ITSELF!

[WLJ]

"But this time, difference is Trump actually wants to end the DST"

Wait... what?

OH MY GOD NO! DST IS A SACRED PILLAR OF OUR DEMOCRACY! FIGHT THE ORANGE MAN'S ATTEMPTS TO DESTROY DEMOCRATIC TIME ITSELF!

Will effect POC the most

[K Frame]

Will effect POC the most

AND IT'S GENDER VIOLENCE AGAINST THE LGBBQTIAACREFFEIEIOS!

[lee n. field]

Will effect POC the most

AND IT'S GENDER VIOLENCE AGAINST THE LGBBQTIAACREFFEIEIOS!

They all sleep in anyway.

(One good thing about retirement.  I can, most days, get up later.  If I can keep lying there, get a bit more sleep, and a bit more dreaming, in, I wake up not feeling like I'm exhausted.)

[Ben]

They all sleep in anyway.

(One good thing about retirement.  I can, most days, get up later.  If I can keep lying there, get a bit more sleep, and a bit more dreaming, in, I wake up not feeling like I'm exhausted.)

I've been getting up at 0500, which is when I got up for work, since I retired. I have not been able to break that habit. The dog with his stupid "to the second" internal food clock doesn't help.

I do notice that I'm wanting to do the old man thing of going to bed earlier and earlier though. I always read for an hour before bed, and this last year, I have noticed myself start to doze during that time, even if I'm really into what I'm reading.

[lee n. field]

I've been getting up at 0500, which is when I got up for work, since I retired. I have not been able to break that habit. The dog with his stupid "to the second" internal food clock doesn't help.

I do notice that I'm wanting to do the old man thing of going to bed earlier and earlier though. I always read for an hour before bed, and this last year, I have noticed myself start to doze during that time, even if I'm really into what I'm reading.

There was a while, years back, when the various things being done to me in the name of treating prostate cancer, would really wipe me out.  I got in the habit of trying to get to bed early.

Now there's getting up at least a couple times to pee, and having trouble getting back to sleep because the wife is snoring/wheezing, or giggling.  Or gets up in the night and wanders off and doesn't close the door from the hallway light*.  Or, between her and the dog, I end up with 12", more or less, of space at the edge of the bed to sleep on.  Etc.

Getting enough sleep is hard.  If I can get enough, I don't crash in the afternoon, and last up until about 10PM or later.

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[cordex]

 

Some of us know rot13.

Sorry Lee.

[MillCreek]

I've been getting up at 0500, which is when I got up for work, since I retired. I have not been able to break that habit. The dog with his stupid "to the second" internal food clock doesn't help.

I do notice that I'm wanting to do the old man thing of going to bed earlier and earlier though. I always read for an hour before bed, and this last year, I have noticed myself start to doze during that time, even if I'm really into what I'm reading.

For me, it is awake at 0430, which is when I used to get up and get ready for work.