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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #25 on: January 12, 2025, 12:39:56 PM »
I wasn't aware of that..

You lost me in Reply #22

"We used to be against infringement, then I was saw what our civilization protects us from.

I am still close enough to a free speech zealot for most conversations in our society, but there is speech that would not be said, and not allowed to be recorded if we are stupid enough to allow it."

I think I now understand what you're getting at with "...then I was saw what our civilization protects us from."

Me, back in Reply # 21

"Child porn?  Or children exposed to porn?  Different ball of wax and pretty much outside my ken.  I tend to agree with most of the above without analyzing the problem in detail.  My own "kids" (ages around 50 yo) pretty much grew up before computers were much of a "thing," and there wasn't much of an internet although dial-up boards were just beginning to get popular." 

I believe your and my problem lies in the fact that neither Asimov nor I was talking about child porn which wasn't a major problem in his days, nor in the days I was raising my "kids."  Or, more correctly, it wasn't "in the news."  As I said, it was "pretty much outside my ken," same as with you.

Thus, my concern with the issue is basically, "where does censorship stop?"

That's the tough one, and something I should mull over in the context of "free speech."  Where's the stopping point for Asimov's (and my) adult... "grown up" publications relating to, say, politics and the like, versus the matters you pointed out relating to censorship in literature (or whatever) regarding minors.

? ? ?

But I think I'll let the Legislatures and APS figure it out.

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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2025, 03:48:58 PM »
https://nhentai.net "art" (Manga & Doujin) ANYONE can see it and it is perverse and EXPLICIT "cartoons" of boy/boy, girl/girl, chicks with disks, CHILDREN, GRAPE, Tentacle pron, and cis sex "stories". Yeah, you do NOT want kids seeing this! Hell, adults shouldn't see it either. Censorship need look no further! Oh, some of the censorship that IS there, is laughable. THIN "modesty bars etc.
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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2025, 05:16:41 PM »
Asimov was referring to political and social discussions and debate.  I can agree on that front. I don't think he was considering some idiot's book talking about minor attracted persons.   I really doubt he would object to heavily restricting some of the stuff we see now. 
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« Reply #28 on: January 14, 2025, 11:16:19 AM »
Asimov was referring to political and social discussions and debate.  I can agree on that front. I don't think he was considering some idiot's book talking about minor attracted persons.   I really doubt he would object to heavily restricting some of the stuff we see now. 

Thanks for stating more clearly what I was trying to say above.

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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #29 on: January 14, 2025, 03:49:37 PM »
I really doubt he would object to heavily restricting some of the stuff we see now.

Back to my "erasing history" concern, I don't know the answer, but there needs to be a way to erase the disgusting "books" while still keeping some reference to, "Yes, people really did do that crazy, disgusting stuff - don't try and do it again" in our history without a follow up of, "No, I can't believe that's real. You just made that up."

On the other hand, it's impossible to erase it, because I'm sure those books are all over the dark web - a place this old man knows exists but that I don't know how to get to. I'm guessing a 12 year old can get to it though.
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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #30 on: January 14, 2025, 04:03:54 PM »
Two things Ben:

Dark web?  I'm sure there are sights, but this stuff is on Amazon. The 12 year old doesn't need a tor browser and Linux machine, there is a teacher in their school that will text them a link to the Signal group chat.

As far as history, one of the most well documented evil acts in the 20th century (holocaust)  is routinely cussed of being fiction. I have seen people make TikToks while standing in Auschiitz purportedly "debunking" it. I don't think that keeping some chuld trafficking how-to's around will sway anyone in 50 years.  He'll I couldn't sway a liberal this year when I had the book delivered to her house.

Maybe I'm just black pilled on this one subject though.

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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #31 on: January 14, 2025, 04:12:16 PM »
Two things Ben:

Dark web?  I'm sure there are sights, but this stuff is on Amazon. The 12 year old doesn't need a tor browser and Linux machine, there is a teacher in their school that will text them a link to the Signal group chat.

Maybe I'm just black pilled on this one subject though.

No, I get that it's on Amazon. My point was that even if you remove it from all "standard sources" it's still going to be out there somewhere. There is no way to tabula rasa any of it, only to try and protect the innocent from it.

I get the black pill thing. By now I have dozens of posts here in favor of heinous deaths for these sickos. I'm just looking for a way to come to terms - with myself, mostly - on banning clearly sick and dangerous material, and as Elon likes to say, "free speech absolutism". I don't think there is a way to be the latter if you do the former, and maybe that's okay.
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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #32 on: January 14, 2025, 04:18:35 PM »
There are lots of things in history that are somewhere disgusting like child sacrifice, excesses of ancient Rome, etc.  Some is not sexual, but just cruel.  Most of the sources don't celebrate those things as far as I know.  I also don't think they went into excruciating detail or did "how to" book.  I would also say there is plenty of explicit literature out there. Most of it is restricted to adults only in some way (probably pretty weak barriers).   
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« Reply #33 on: January 15, 2025, 12:16:25 PM »
Well I must say I'm going to have to start qualifying my "Asimov" quote* by restricting it to adult grown up (usually political) subjects since I didn't realize the extent of the children's literature problem.

Especially in re the internet.

As mentioned, both my "kids" are in their fifties and it really wasn't that much of a problem (that I was aware of) back in the pre-big-internet seventies-eighties.  Ish.

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Re: Facebook ends "fact checking"
« Reply #34 on: January 15, 2025, 06:18:25 PM »
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These were the books the media refused to acknowledge, but when Ron DeSantis started reading from one of them at a press conference, the national media was forced to cut the coverage to avoid violating FCC rules.
And years ago Charleton Heston got WalMart to stop selling some CDs of "rap" music by simply reading the lyrics at a stockholder's meeting and then asking "Should we be selling this to children?"

That probably points the way towards what should/shouldn't be provided to children - if a book contains passages that can't be read aloud on broadcast network news, or images that can't be shown without being blurred out or pixelated . . . maybe it's not appropriate for youngsters and shouldn't be in elementary school libraries.
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