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Do i want/need an ATV?
« on: January 07, 2025, 11:32:40 AM »
Within the last few years i was brought into a hunting lease with a couple buddies who have leased it for 15yrs and they use ATV to get around and get deer out cause they are in their mid 50s. I got to thinking after possibly having to drag one 1/2 to 3/4 mile that maybe i should invest in an ATV but it would most likely sit all year. I then think well the national forest 2hrs away has trails i can ride and maybe i can check local laws and plow driveways with it during the winter. I already feel awkward being the new guy on the lease and don’t wanna be that guy showing up like hey look at me. Idk maybe i am weird and thinking too much into it. I have about 8 other farms i hunt and while i see the landowner on an ATV i feel weird saying hey, can i use an atv to get deer out? I know one for sure will say no because he already has stating his insurance will drop him if an ATV is on the farm.

If i go ahead and get one i don’t know squat other than how to ride one. Thoughts on a used one? Things to look for on a used one? I want a manual be it push button manual or foot shift. Any suggestions? I am looking at a Honda Rancher or Foreman. I think a Foreman would be better for plowing.

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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #1 on: January 07, 2025, 11:54:18 AM »
You might be better off reaching an agreement with your hunting buddies that already have them. Something in return for use of theirs or for their help.
A deer cart or drag sled also works if you are physically able.

I bought a Honda rancher used in 2005 (2000 model year). Right now it needs carb work and tires but it’s been been very reliable. I use the heck out of it when moving tree stands, cutting trails, and also spraying weeds here around the farm. Never plowed snow with it- that’s what tractors are for.
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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #2 on: January 07, 2025, 12:04:43 PM »
Never plowed snow with it- that’s what tractors are for.

I'm skeptical that a meaningful amount of snow can be moved with an ATV.  If a 400 pound machine can move the snow load, then your car can probably drive over it just fine.

I'd say rent one for a week per year.  Carbureted vehicles hate sitting all year without running.  It'll be nothing but a PITA for you and let you down during hunting season if it just sits in your garage.  A rental one will be 1-2 years old and maintained by someone else.
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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #3 on: January 07, 2025, 12:18:24 PM »
I bought a Honda rancher used in 2005 (2000 model year). Right now it needs carb work and tires but it’s been been very reliable. I use the heck out of it when moving tree stands, cutting trails, and also spraying weeds here around the farm. Never plowed snow with it- that’s what tractors are for.

I've got a 2000 Rancher as well. Handy for farm chores like spraying, but it's not something that I would be trying to move any significant amounts of snow with. Even my SxS is pretty weak for that if you're trying to do more than fart around. If it's deep enough to plow, I grab the tractor.
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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #4 on: January 07, 2025, 12:36:53 PM »
Within the last few years i was brought into a hunting lease with a couple buddies who have leased it for 15yrs and they use ATV to get around and get deer out cause they are in their mid 50s. I got to thinking after possibly having to drag one 1/2 to 3/4 mile that maybe i should invest in an ATV but it would most likely sit all year. I then think well the national forest 2hrs away has trails i can ride and maybe i can check local laws and plow driveways with it during the winter. I already feel awkward being the new guy on the lease and don’t wanna be that guy showing up like hey look at me. Idk maybe i am weird and thinking too much into it. I have about 8 other farms i hunt and while i see the landowner on an ATV i feel weird saying hey, can i use an atv to get deer out? I know one for sure will say no because he already has stating his insurance will drop him if an ATV is on the farm.

If i go ahead and get one i don’t know squat other than how to ride one. Thoughts on a used one? Things to look for on a used one? I want a manual be it push button manual or foot shift. Any suggestions? I am looking at a Honda Rancher or Foreman. I think a Foreman would be better for plowing.
I've got a 2000 Rancher as well. Handy for farm chores like spraying, but it's not something that I would be trying to move any significant amounts of snow with. Even my SxS is pretty weak for that if you're trying to do more than fart around. If it's deep enough to plow, I grab the tractor.

Just doing driveways in the neighborhood to make a couple bucks is all.

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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #5 on: January 07, 2025, 12:43:23 PM »
You might be better off reaching an agreement with your hunting buddies that already have them. Something in return for use of theirs or for their help.
A deer cart or drag sled also works if you are physically able.

This. A couple cases of beer or handle of good bourbon every now and then is waaayyyyy cheaper than buying and maintaining an ATV, even a decent used one.

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« Reply #6 on: January 07, 2025, 12:53:35 PM »
Yes.  ATV's are fun.

FWIW I've plowed my parents driveway with my old Suzuki 250 King Quad.  As good as a tractor or truck?  No, but it worked fine.

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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #7 on: January 07, 2025, 01:20:56 PM »
ATVs are fun, but given that you are struggling to find time to do anything but work, I'm not sure I'd spend the money on one now.  Definitely agree with the idea about asking to borrow one when you need it.

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« Reply #8 on: January 07, 2025, 01:37:33 PM »
ATVs are fun, but given that you are struggling to find time to do anything but work, I'm not sure I'd spend the money on one now.  Definitely agree with the idea about asking to borrow one when you need it.
Definitely agree. I am thinking way ahead. The purchase wouldn’t happen until probably August or September and hopefully working will slow way down to normal by then.

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« Reply #9 on: January 07, 2025, 02:44:53 PM »
...hopefully working will slow way down to normal by then.

We can't cope with "normal" around here. You'll have to do better.  =D

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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #10 on: January 07, 2025, 06:44:44 PM »
Having to maintain vehicles with carbs are why I've got a dirt bike and quad sitting in the shed not running.  We had to leave them in storage for too long, (over a year), now it's going to require motor tear-down and carb rebuilds to get them running again.  Sitting for 6 months can do the same type of damage.  They really need to be run at least once a month. 

If you have the time, they are a blast to ride on fire trails, etc. 

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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #11 on: January 07, 2025, 07:22:31 PM »
There's a whole bunch of fuel injected quads going all the way back to the 90's.........

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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2025, 11:30:40 AM »
Having to maintain vehicles with carbs are why I've got a dirt bike and quad sitting in the shed not running.  We had to leave them in storage for too long, (over a year), now it's going to require motor tear-down and carb rebuilds to get them running again.  Sitting for 6 months can do the same type of damage.  They really need to be run at least once a month. 

If you have the time, they are a blast to ride on fire trails, etc.
Whats a carb?

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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2025, 12:03:36 PM »
Whats a carb?

Short for carburetor.

It's the thing on some engines that actually atomizes the liquid fuel and mixes it with the air to reach the right air/fuel ratio for the engine to run.  It's an older, mechanical tech to do the fuel mixing and delivery to the intake.  On cars it's been almost completely replaced by various forms of Electronic Fuel Injection.


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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #14 on: January 08, 2025, 01:09:40 PM »
Carbs aren't a bad way to get fuel into a vehicle, but modern day fuel with ethanol in it attracts moisture over time and this activity gums up a carburetor in a way that if you don't run a carbed engine regularly, it will require a very annoying disassembly and cleaning each time you need the vehicle.  Other problems include rusting out the gas tank, if it is made of metal.  I have an old 1980 Yamaha DT175 dirtbike with a very rusty tank.  I need to buy a generic replacement tank and do a little TIG welding to attach the correct mounting plates for this model.  There was so much rust in it when I bought it that it was choking the fuel pickup at the bottom.  I ran a vinegar cleanup on it, with a bunch of BB's and such to scrape out rust flakes.  But it's still pretty awful in there.

One way to prevent the carb gumming up is, when you are done with a carbed vehicle, turn off the fuel at the petcock or fuel input line to the carb, and let the engine suck all the remaining fuel out of the bowl of the carb until it dies of fuel starvation.  Either that or drain the carb's fuel bowl with a drain screw if available.

Another way to prevent this is to only run 100% real gasoline in your carbed vehicle.  This might mean buying gas by the 5 gallon can at a powersports store, at much higher octane than you actually need.  But at least it will be ethanol free.  Unless you have a real gas dealer somewhere nearby.

If you want the least amount of drama, honestly I suggest you just get a fuel injected ATV.  Aside from gumming, there's also tuning the carb for whatever altitude you intend to operate it at.  If you live below 2000ft and hunt at 8000+ft you're going to need the carb tuned very differently than if you live and hunt at the same altitude. 

I'm a motorcyclist and not very well versed on ATV's, but my impression is they are not exactly designed and tuned for performance in the way that motorcycles are.  EFI has become desirable on motorcycles for performance and emissions reasons, but honestly most of the ATV market has a much greater focus on low cost than motorcycles IMO.  Carbs are way cheaper than fuel injection.  Not sure if/when ATV's started getting fuel injection as standard.  Even now, looking at new Hondas, I see that the FourTrax series is not completely fuel injected.  The 229cc Recon model appears to not mention fuel injection, so is most likely carbureted.  The larger engine machines are fuel injected.  I couldn't guess what year to look for as a cutoff when looking used though.
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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #15 on: January 08, 2025, 01:40:58 PM »
I think it really depends (injected vs. Carb).  I know that when I still lived in AK in the 90's and used a lot of four wheelers, the "nicer" ones were injected.  My suzuki 250 was carbed but my buddies Polaris 400 was injected.  Really nice for cold morning starts.  A quick glance at the used marketplace here in FL shows almost all of them for sale here are carbed.  You'd have to do a real deep dive to find out what models and years had which fuel system.

Certainly you are right most non "racing" quads are built and tuned for cost and reliability vs. performance. I was just pointing out that if you were worried about letting it sit, there were injected ATVs available.

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« Reply #16 on: January 08, 2025, 06:52:30 PM »
Thread drift:

  A few years back I read about a micro company that was working on a fuel injection conversion kit to replace carburetors on small engines.  Anyone know if a kit is currently available?

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« Reply #17 on: January 08, 2025, 07:23:25 PM »
If you do wind up with one, Honda. Only one worth having. Arctic cat is *expletive deleted*it. Most if not all other than Honda use a CVT transmission.

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« Reply #18 on: January 08, 2025, 08:04:12 PM »
fwiw, there are a LOT of side-by-sides here in the urban wasteland... Along with golf carts. Lots of them are 4x4 capable, and are decent grocery getters...
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« Reply #19 on: January 08, 2025, 08:05:43 PM »
If you do wind up with one, Honda. Only one worth having. Arctic cat is *expletive deleted*it. Most if not all other than Honda use a CVT transmission.

Side by sides are also popular.

Yup, Honda is definitely worth any premium. In going on 25 years, outside of normal maintenance, I've only ever replaced the starter in my Rancher.
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Re: Do i want/need an ATV?
« Reply #21 on: January 10, 2025, 12:11:01 AM »
Short for carburetor.

It's the thing on some engines that actually atomizes the liquid fuel and mixes it with the air to reach the right air/fuel ratio for the engine to run.  It's an older, mechanical tech to do the fuel mixing and delivery to the intake.  On cars it's been almost completely replaced by various forms of Electronic Fuel Injection.


(If you knew that, sorry.  I'm not trying to be a smartass, I don't know how much you know about engines)

I was actually being the smart ass. I knew what it was. lol