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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2025, 04:24:52 PM »
I used to have some Winchester SXT ammo that looked exactly like the Black Talon photos above.  I know I have some Ranger T ammo somewhere, but not a lot.


As far as adding cuts to hollow point ammo, a lot of it I see already has pre-cut seams in the jacket or something similar.  No need to add more. 
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2025, 04:54:16 PM »
"As far as adding cuts to hollow point ammo, a lot of it I see already has pre-cut seams in the jacket or something similar.  No need to add more."

Whut? Whut wood those superycompewturs and enjuhneerz know about desenin a boolit? Nuttin ah don knows!

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Bullets prior to rounds like the Black Talon had jacket cuts in an attempt to improve expansion.

They rarely worked because they were thrown in as an afterthought. Well, MAYBE this will work, and if it doesn't, well, nothing else does anyway. Because, they look all special and high tekky tek!

OK, it wasn't that bad, but bullet design just didn't come into its own until Miami and until companies got REALLY serious about using computing power to help design bullets.

That's when engineered jacket cuts were combined with engineered jackets, specially formulated cores, velocity limits and rigorous testing protocols.

Randomly and wantonly whacking away at the nose of a jacketed hollow point might not just be pointless, it may cause a catastrophic failure of the bullet to actually perform as intended and causing nothing more than a nasty wound that fails to stop a determined attacker because the bullet falls apart on impact and nothing penetrates into a vital organ.

No offense to anyone in this thread, but that's what I call the "chimp with a rock" scenario.

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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2025, 05:12:32 PM »
Speaking of homemade bullet improvements, do any of you old guys remember in the early 80s there was something about filling hollow point cavities with wax and/or glycerin (or maybe other substances)? I'm almost positive I'm remembering that correctly, and that I even read it in one of the gun rags, though I can't for sure recall what their rational was. I'm thinking it was something about increased expansion around the glycerin.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2025, 05:50:08 PM »
Speaking of homemade bullet improvements, . . .
I heard - second or third hand - of the glycerine trick, never tired it myself.

I used to load HBWC bullets backwards over a hefty (for .38 Special) charge of SR-4756. They worked very well in wet pack and equally well when I saw one used to administer the coup-de-grace to a wounded whitetail. Speer bullets worked OK, Hornady (old style, pre-waffle) worked better. A local gun shop - briefly - sold "Mer-Core" bullets for reloading. IIRC, they used a jacket filled with mercury and a dollop of some black tar-like goo sealing the nose. If it started as a conventional lead core bullet that ALMOST makes sense - wouldn't the mercury have formed a softer amalgam with the remaining lead?

I've heard of people making "armor piercing" bullets by drilling a hole in a conventional softpoint and inserting a pointy piece of drill rod. Remember studded tires? I heard of some folks who used the tungsten carbide stud inserts instead of drill rod. And of course, some intrepid souls took the commercial "Exploder" bullet concept and tried to go one better by increasing the payload - drill out the bullet, disassemble 50 or 100 primers to fill the cavity with primer compound, and seat a fresh primer in the nose. Guy I saw at the range offered me a few to try . . . I declined. (Disassembling primers and tamping the lead styphnate or whatever they use into a bullet nose . . . YOU do it, I'll pass.  :facepalm: )
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2025, 05:57:41 PM »
Speaking of homemade bullet improvements, do any of you old guys remember in the early 80s there was something about filling hollow point cavities with wax and/or glycerin (or maybe other substances)? I'm almost positive I'm remembering that correctly, and that I even read it in one of the gun rags, though I can't for sure recall what their rational was. I'm thinking it was something about increased expansion around the glycerin.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2025, 06:01:48 PM »
What?  No silver?

No, but that rings another bell regarding mercury.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2025, 06:02:44 PM »
Speaking of homemade bullet improvements ...

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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2025, 06:03:12 PM »
What?  No silver?

Who are you, the Lone Ranger?
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2025, 08:06:38 PM »
No, but that rings another bell regarding mercury.

Day of the Jackal by Frederick Forsyth.

The assassin had a bunch of specially made bullets that had a hollow filled with mercury.

Allegedly this would cause an incredible amount of damage to the target AND would so destroy the bullet that ballistics fingerprinting (rifling marks, mainly) wouldn't be possible.

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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2025, 08:25:07 PM »
Day of the Jackal by Frederick Forsyth.

The assassin had a bunch of specially made bullets that had a hollow filled with mercury.

Allegedly this would cause an incredible amount of damage to the target AND would so destroy the bullet that ballistics fingerprinting (rifling marks, mainly) wouldn't be possible.

Pff.  A real professional would just use ice bullets.

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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #60 on: February 04, 2025, 09:22:29 PM »
What was it that they guy put in his bullets in Jaws?

When I watched that as a kid, I assumed it was poison.  I haven't seen that movie in a while.  I may have to watch it again.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #61 on: February 04, 2025, 09:28:02 PM »
Who are you, the Lone Ranger?
I had werewolves in mind.   =D

I was wondering if a drop of molten silver in the hollow point would screw up the bullet too much. 


I guess buck shot would be better.  I recall a few years back seeing a pack of five 12 gauge shells loaded with silver shot.  I didn't buy it. 
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #62 on: February 04, 2025, 09:29:52 PM »
And throw in a dash of holy water just in case.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #63 on: February 04, 2025, 09:40:30 PM »
And throw in a dash of holy water just in case.
I can see a small capsule or two of water being added to the shot shell.  It would vaporize when fired though.  Maybe a mix up garlic and holy water in a pepper spray canister.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #64 on: February 05, 2025, 06:38:58 AM »
Pff.  A real professional would just use ice bullets.

Not even. He'd have used a frozen leg of lamb, and then served everyone roast lamb at the investigation after party.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #65 on: February 05, 2025, 09:37:52 AM »
I can see a small capsule or two of water being added to the shot shell.  It would vaporize when fired though.  Maybe a mix up garlic and holy water in a pepper spray canister.
Dissolve some silver nitrate in the mix as well . . .
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #66 on: February 05, 2025, 10:26:42 AM »
Fine silver necklace chain, enough to fit the shot cup, times the number of shells in an extended magazine tube, was a plot point in a vampire novel I read.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #67 on: February 07, 2025, 11:48:54 PM »
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Yep, that pretty much what I did, just with a slimmer blade.
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Re: Hollow Points and Clothing
« Reply #68 on: February 07, 2025, 11:51:50 PM »
What was it that they guy put in his bullets in Jaws?

When I watched that as a kid, I assumed it was poison.  I haven't seen that movie in a while.  I may have to watch it again.

The police chief (Roy Scheider) was putting liquid cyanide in the HP cavities than dropping molten wax on top to seal it.
That being said, wax is so soft that I would NOT expect it to hold together when fired.
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