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A small success - thank God
« on: April 05, 2025, 03:48:39 PM »
My wife had a blinking check engine light Thursday night, thankfully only a few miles from the house. It's been raining (sometimes heavily) for days now, so I had to work under a tarp I draped over the hood.

The code was for a misfire on one cylinder. It took until this morning to get things figured out, but it just needed a new ignition coil. There are three coils that are very easy to reach, and it was one of those. (The other three are a bit buried.)

The light's gone now. I got off real easy on that one...
« Last Edit: April 06, 2025, 01:18:19 AM by Perd Hapley »
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #1 on: April 05, 2025, 03:50:38 PM »
Good to hear.  Lucky you.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #2 on: April 05, 2025, 05:20:42 PM »
Amen!
Do you have the tool to reset the codes or did it clear when the problem was addressed?
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #3 on: April 05, 2025, 06:36:31 PM »
When is the last time  you did the plugs? Or did you just do them, and then do the coil? 0301,0302, 0303, or 0304?
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #4 on: April 05, 2025, 07:34:20 PM »
Aside from lawn mowers, this is my first time doing anything with spark plugs.

I knew it was the coil when I swapped coils between cylinders 2 and 4. The trouble code followed right along with it.

I know it's recommended to change all spark plugs at once, but that's a rather involved job (on this car) and it's monsoon weather. This should get her car rolling for now.


Amen!
Do you have the tool to reset the codes or did it clear when the problem was addressed?

The scan gizmo clears the codes as well.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #5 on: April 05, 2025, 07:39:57 PM »
Excellent! I try to tell people how to swap the coils, but... Some of them just look at me and sort of drool...
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #6 on: April 05, 2025, 08:56:07 PM »
I had one once where I turned the key on and it started to rotate the engine but the key slipped out of my hand or something, so I tried again, car started, but the check engine light stayed on.  Scary, so I drove to an Auto Zone, they plugged in their reader and it showed no problem.  I drove off with no check light.  Apparently their reader reset the fault generated from trying to restart the engine too quickly.

No charge.

And I wasn't even wearing my Auto Zone baseball cap which they gave me a long time ago.


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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #7 on: April 05, 2025, 09:00:46 PM »
How did you know I was drooling?

Swapping the coils is even easier than swapping spark plugs, at least on this car. You could probably do it with pliers or a small Crescent wrench. Costs a lot more, of course.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #8 on: April 06, 2025, 08:08:49 AM »
I had misfire problems on my first Subaru (1997) some years ago. Would REALLY start acting up on cool, damp days when there was a lot of dew.

Finally really started digging into it and noticed that when the car was running the coil pack was arcing. Turns out the coil pack housing was cracked and that was causing all of the problems. pulled the coil back, dried it out really well, cleaned it up, and then paved the cracks with JB Weld.

Solve the problem very nicely for another year and a half or so until I moved on to my second Subaru.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #9 on: April 06, 2025, 08:15:36 AM »
My model T had 4 wooden coil boxes. I always carried a spare under the seat.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #10 on: April 06, 2025, 08:30:19 AM »
I work on cars, machines and houses the same way....with one hand.  The one hand that has all the talent of repair.  The hand that writes the check.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #11 on: April 06, 2025, 10:01:12 AM »
I work on cars, machines and houses the same way....with one hand.  The one hand that has all the talent of repair.  The hand that writes the check.

Oh. OK...
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« Reply #12 on: April 06, 2025, 11:18:37 AM »
I've always been mechanically adept, done most things on cars and other stuff on my own where possible.  My hands sometimes felt a hunger to "do something," like your legs wanting to take a walk. My hand tools were usually sitting on the bench instead of in their tool boxes.  Not so much any more.

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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2025, 10:15:19 AM »
Glad it was an easy fix.

What flavor of conveyance and how many miles?

If you want to brush up on general modern automotive diagnostics, give Pine Hollow Auto Diagnostics a watch. Lots of good info. He might even have something on your particular vehicle.

https://www.youtube.com/@PineHollowAutoDiagnostics

Also, Eric O. at South Main Auto. Good general automotive repair stuff geared towards modern models.

https://www.youtube.com/@SouthMainAuto

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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2025, 11:04:32 AM »
If you can score a scan tool that will show  you live data from the different systems, you can pinpoint stuff for sure... For instance, if you see all the injectors each getting x-voltage, but one of them is flat... Well, that's the problem.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2025, 01:25:40 PM »
Glad it was an easy fix.

What flavor of conveyance and how many miles?

'04 Highlander, 3.3L engine, 211k miles and counting

It's been a lot of miles since the last timing belt change. Probably due for another one, just based on the manufacturer's recommendation. Not sure if I can do it myself, or not. If I have to pay someone else, it may never get done.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #16 on: April 07, 2025, 01:28:07 PM »
Well, the saving grace there is that if you do blow a timing belt you're not going to ruin the engine.

6-cylinder Highlander engines of that era were non-interference.

So yeah, annoying as hell if the belt breaks but not catastrophic.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #17 on: April 07, 2025, 09:46:29 PM »
Well, the saving grace there is that if you do blow a timing belt you're not going to ruin the engine.

6-cylinder Highlander engines of that era were non-interference.

So yeah, annoying as hell if the belt breaks but not catastrophic.

The continued existence of interference engines baffles me. Is there something they do that much better than non-interference engines that continuing to produce them is worth the risk of trashing the engine if the belt breaks? Seems to me like that kind of Achilles heel just can't be worth whatever benefit the design has.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2025, 06:10:18 AM »
Interference design allows a higher TDC. Higher compression
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« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2025, 07:38:16 AM »
I THINK, but am not sure, that interference engines are also slightly more compact, meaning a potential weight savings and possibly better fuel economy in the CAFE world.

But that's just a guess.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2025, 09:04:20 AM »
The continued existence of interference engines baffles me. Is there something they do that much better than non-interference engines that continuing to produce them is worth the risk of trashing the engine if the belt breaks? Seems to me like that kind of Achilles heel just can't be worth whatever benefit the design has.

Smaller combustion chamber helps with the compression ratio, especially on cylinders that are already low displacement.  Gets you more power per CI, usually better economy, depending on some other things it can let the computer play with ignition timing a little more as well.  It also tends to be needed if you're running variable cam lifts and/or Cam timing.  It's more difficult to stay non interference as you widen valve lift profiles.  Again, especially with smaller displacement engines.

It's also not like it actually frags the whole engine when it goes.  *Usually* it just bends a valve or two.  If it breaks one off, then you might need a head and piston, and maybe some machine work.  So from an engine design standpoint, you get a more powerful AND efficient engine with more freedom to play with other features, and you add a timing belt change to the scheduled maintenance around 100k.  No real downside.

From an owner's standpoint, well there's a lot of scheduled maintenance that if you blow off and ignore you can do serious damage to your engine.

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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2025, 09:37:03 AM »
I've seen two interference engine incidents caused by broken timing belts. In both cases the pistons were damaged badly enough that they would have required replacement. No clue what the ultimate outcome was as they were both at a shop my parents and I used.

Granted, that's only two, so that's a meaningless observation across the whole spectrum. I just knew that it was something that I never wanted to encounter.
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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2025, 10:21:44 AM »
Smaller combustion chamber helps with the compression ratio, especially on cylinders that are already low displacement.  Gets you more power per CI, usually better economy, depending on some other things it can let the computer play with ignition timing a little more as well.  It also tends to be needed if you're running variable cam lifts and/or Cam timing.  It's more difficult to stay non interference as you widen valve lift profiles.  Again, especially with smaller displacement engines.

This.

More physical squeeze means less room in the cylinder for valves when piston is at TDC. If the valves are closed, no problem. If they valves are open because a timing belt/chain has slipped or broken, problem.

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Re: A small success - thank God
« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2025, 01:25:11 PM »
The engine in my Highlander is the 3MZ-FE (I know that by heart now). According to the All-Knowing Internet, it IS an interference engine. I believe the timing belt is supposed to be changed every 90k miles. When I bought it, it had already been done once. And now it presumably needs it again. 
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« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2025, 04:10:52 PM »
Wow. I'm actually seeing some claims that yes, it is an interference engine, others are saying no it's not, while some others say the variable intelligent valve timing system in the engine means that in case the timing belt breaks it can get the hell out of its own way before any real damage is done.

I had thought that all Toyota 6 cylinder engines were non-interference.

Suck it up and get the belt replaced.
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