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De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« on: April 07, 2025, 01:50:14 PM »
It looks like a bioscience company has recovered DNA from fossils and spliced it into modern DNA of similar creatures to bring an Apex Predator back from extinction.  They are keeping them in their own nature preserve for safety.

No seriously.  They did.

https://x.com/colossal/status/1909247817672957959

Couple of thoughts: 
While very cool science, WTF man?  Why? 
They are already working on another extinct mammal.
Also those are just adorable little howls.

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Bro we literally got actual dire wolves before we got Winds of Winter
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #1 on: April 07, 2025, 02:23:09 PM »
Yep, that's all over X. 

Another link:  https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1909299249780801618

The same company is working on bringing back the woolly mammoth.

Not quite Jurassic Park, but getting there.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #2 on: April 07, 2025, 03:08:17 PM »
Normal wolves already piss off ranchers.  Dire wolves have been extinct since before humanity even began animal husbandry.

Dire Wolves belong in fantasy novels, and have no place in the modern world.  Nothing about modernity is responsible for them going extinct.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #3 on: April 07, 2025, 03:19:30 PM »
Well, they named the first two appropriately, I'll give them that.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #4 on: April 07, 2025, 03:40:16 PM »
Larger than a grey wolf.

More related to Jackals then wolves, according to Nature they diverged from the Jackal and not the wolf,coyote, dog tree.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03082-x

I wonder how long it will be before someone decides to make designer pets out of them. Presenting the....... Diredoodle! :)

I wonder what they really made, maybe a giant grey wolf thing?

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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #5 on: April 07, 2025, 04:17:17 PM »
Quote from: BobR on April 07, 2025, 03:40:16 PM
Larger than a grey wolf.

More related to Jackals then wolves, according to Nature they diverged from the Jackal and not the wolf,coyote, dog tree.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03082-x

I wonder how long it will be before someone decides to make designer pets out of them. Presenting the....... Diredoodle! :)

I wonder what they really made, maybe a giant grey wolf thing?

bob

I'm going to hold out for a Saber-Toothed Maine Coon cat.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #6 on: April 07, 2025, 04:33:21 PM »
They've been trying to bring the aurochs back for 50 years or more...
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #7 on: April 07, 2025, 05:32:17 PM »
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #8 on: April 07, 2025, 07:09:24 PM »
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I'm going to hold out for a Saber-Toothed Maine Coon cat.

My mind went to Saber-Tooths myself

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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #9 on: April 07, 2025, 07:45:40 PM »
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 07, 2025, 02:23:09 PM
Yep, that's all over X. 

Another link:  https://x.com/Rainmaker1973/status/1909299249780801618

The same company is working on bringing back the woolly mammoth.

Not quite Jurassic Park, but getting there.


At least woolley mammoths will be huntable.  Lots of steaks on one.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #10 on: April 07, 2025, 08:00:08 PM »
Quote from: BobR on April 07, 2025, 03:40:16 PM
Larger than a grey wolf.

More related to Jackals then wolves, according to Nature they diverged from the Jackal and not the wolf,coyote, dog tree.  https://www.nature.com/articles/s41586-020-03082-x

I wonder how long it will be before someone decides to make designer pets out of them. Presenting the....... Diredoodle! :)

I wonder what they really made, maybe a giant grey wolf thing?

bob
Or some joker breeds them with wild grey wolves and you end up with bigger wolves in the wild. 
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #11 on: April 07, 2025, 08:04:09 PM »
Quote from: AZRedhawk44 on April 07, 2025, 03:08:17 PM
Normal wolves already piss off ranchers.  Dire wolves have been extinct since before humanity even began animal husbandry.

Dire Wolves belong in fantasy novels, and have no place in the modern world.  Nothing about modernity is responsible for them going extinct.

Turn them loose in LA?
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #12 on: April 07, 2025, 08:34:21 PM »
Quote from: lee n. field on April 07, 2025, 08:04:09 PM
Turn them loose in LA?

Can we build a wall around LA first?  We can leave the actors, they like cute animals.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #13 on: April 07, 2025, 08:46:25 PM »
Hmmm ...

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2475407-no-the-dire-wolf-has-not-been-brought-back-from-extinction/

Apparently they aren't actually Dire Wolves after all.

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So these pups aren’t really dire wolves at all, then?

It all comes down to how you define species, says Shapiro. “Species concepts are human classification systems, and everybody can disagree and everyone can be right,” she says. “You can use the phylogenetic [evolutionary relationships] species concept to determine what you’re going to call a species, which is what you are implying… We are using the morphological species concept and saying, if they look like this animal, then they are the animal.”

Okay, then. So these are white-colored grey wolves that identify as dire wolves. There you have it -- SCIENCE.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #14 on: April 07, 2025, 09:18:00 PM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 07, 2025, 08:46:25 PM
Hmmm ...

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2475407-no-the-dire-wolf-has-not-been-brought-back-from-extinction/

Apparently they aren't actually Dire Wolves after all.

Okay, then. So these are white-colored grey wolves that identify as dire wolves. There you have it -- SCIENCE.
Yeah, that is essentially correct, IMO.  They just fiddled with the DNA of grey wolves a little and now say they have a new wolf.  They don't.  They will probably still breed with grey wolves assuming the stuff they changed doesn't cause other problems.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #15 on: April 07, 2025, 09:51:25 PM »
But what if they identify as Dire wolves? Checkmate  :P
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #16 on: April 08, 2025, 08:57:18 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 07, 2025, 08:46:25 PM
Hmmm ...

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2475407-no-the-dire-wolf-has-not-been-brought-back-from-extinction/

Apparently they aren't actually Dire Wolves after all.

Okay, then. So these are white-colored grey wolves that identify as dire wolves. There you have it -- SCIENCE.

What's remarkable to me is the first critter they created from pre-history is white and nobody has screamed racism yet.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #17 on: April 08, 2025, 09:37:48 AM »
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What's remarkable to me is the first critter they created from pre-history is white and nobody has screamed racism yet.

Just wait.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #18 on: April 08, 2025, 09:43:05 AM »
Quote from: Hawkmoon on April 07, 2025, 08:46:25 PM
Hmmm ...

https://www.newscientist.com/article/2475407-no-the-dire-wolf-has-not-been-brought-back-from-extinction/

Apparently they aren't actually Dire Wolves after all.

Okay, then. So these are white-colored grey wolves that identify as dire wolves. There you have it -- SCIENCE.
These critters are no more dire wolves than humans with trace neanderthal DNA are neanderthals.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #19 on: April 08, 2025, 11:31:29 AM »
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These critters are no more dire wolves than humans with trace neanderthal DNA are neanderthals.

So you just hate Geico commercials because you're trendy.

Got it.

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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #20 on: April 08, 2025, 12:53:39 PM »
So if they're released to the wild and start killing livestock, will they be put on a newfangled "No hunting --Unendangered Species" list?

I can see Agrarian People (farmers and ranchers) resorting to the Three S methodology again:  "Shoot, Shovel, Shut up."
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« Reply #21 on: April 08, 2025, 02:02:01 PM »
Quote from: 230RN on April 08, 2025, 12:53:39 PM
So if they're released to the wild and start killing livestock, will they be put on a newfangled "No hunting --Unendangered Species" list?

I can see Agrarian People (farmers and ranchers) resorting to the Three S methodology again:  "Shoot, Shovel, Shut up."

Unleash a pack of them in downtown San Francisco ... or Denver ... or Chicago.  See how the residents like it.
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« Reply #22 on: April 08, 2025, 02:44:40 PM »
Quote from: Angel Eyes on April 08, 2025, 02:02:01 PM
Unleash a pack of them in downtown San Francisco ... or Denver ... or Chicago.  See how the residents like it.
Don't forget DC.  K Frame can take care of himself.   =D
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« Reply #23 on: April 08, 2025, 04:06:08 PM »
Quote from: MechAg94 on April 08, 2025, 02:44:40 PM
Don't forget DC.  K Frame can take care of himself.   =D

I am the wolf whisperer!

In my ranking of animals, dogs, wolves, foxes and other canids come at the top, giraffes are second, and we keep listing until we get to the very bottom and least worthy, humans. Which come right after rats and liberals.
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Re: De-Extinction of animals; or "I've read this book"
« Reply #24 on: April 08, 2025, 06:36:05 PM »
Quote from: K Frame on April 08, 2025, 11:31:29 AM
So you just hate Geico commercials because you're trendy.

Got it.

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I dunno, my wife would likely disagree with you!
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