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Unavoidable war of necessity
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It would be a war of choice
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War with Iran
« on: April 17, 2025, 07:57:12 AM »
The neocons are foaming at the mouth to take on Iran, even Trump seems to be caught up in the madness.

Although, Trump's rhetoric frequently doesn't match his desired ends.

My hope is Trumps realpolitic nationalism overrides the neocon voices that crave destruction and death.

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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #1 on: April 17, 2025, 08:05:54 AM »
Quote from: Ron on April 17, 2025, 07:57:12 AM
Although, Trump's rhetoric frequently doesn't match his desired ends.

Trump rhetoric frequently pushes things to his desired ends
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #2 on: April 17, 2025, 08:10:15 AM »
Quote from: WLJ on April 17, 2025, 08:05:54 AM
Trump rhetoric frequently pushes things to his desired ends

He is a master rhetorician
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #3 on: April 17, 2025, 12:28:18 PM »
With a team of coaches.
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #4 on: April 17, 2025, 01:13:57 PM »
Someone told me this ten years ago, and many times since then. I'll believe it when it happens.

(I assume we're talking about direct warfare; not [alleged] proxy wars.)
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #5 on: April 17, 2025, 01:16:12 PM »
I'm guessing that Iran will successfully WMD a US city, likely on a coast, likely from a harbor.
 
And will then cease to exist.
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #6 on: April 17, 2025, 01:30:39 PM »
Quote from: Bogie on April 17, 2025, 01:16:12 PM
I'm guessing that Iran will successfully WMD a US city, likely on a coast, likely from a harbor.
 
And will then cease to exist.

There are ways and there's a lot of variables in this but the devil would be in conclusively proving it was Iran in many such scenarios.
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #7 on: April 17, 2025, 02:05:41 PM »
Quote from: WLJ on April 17, 2025, 01:30:39 PM
There are ways and there's a lot of variables in this but the devil would be in conclusively proving it was Iran in many such scenarios.

But by then Iran would already be glass.
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #8 on: April 17, 2025, 10:30:22 PM »
Some nutjob would claim credit, but I would hope our spooks would be doing something...
 
How far from the ocean is DC?
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #9 on: April 17, 2025, 11:12:59 PM »
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How far from the ocean is DC?

About 100 miles from the ocean proper, but about 30 from the Chesapeake Bay.
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #10 on: April 18, 2025, 11:00:47 AM »
How exciting, potential war with Iran for reasons we aren't allowed to talk about frankly, war in eastern Europe with Russia, whether we want it or not (thanks NATO), and trade warring with China along with the complicated 500# gorilla in the room, Taiwan. 

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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #11 on: April 18, 2025, 11:31:09 AM »
Quote from: Bogie on April 17, 2025, 10:30:22 PM
Some nutjob would claim credit, but I would hope our spooks would be doing something...
 
How far from the ocean is DC?
Our spooks would be arranging for the bomb to be planted in the right place and making sure no one of importance (to them) was in that city.   [tinfoil]
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #12 on: April 18, 2025, 03:50:04 PM »
Quote from: Ron on April 18, 2025, 11:00:47 AM
How exciting, potential war with Iran for reasons we aren't allowed to talk about frankly...

Can you talk about them frankly here?
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #13 on: April 18, 2025, 03:52:46 PM »
Where's Frank when you need him?
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #14 on: April 18, 2025, 04:13:19 PM »
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #15 on: April 18, 2025, 05:21:44 PM »
Quote from: Perd Hapley on April 18, 2025, 03:50:04 PM
Can you talk about them frankly here?

Well, it would all be speculation, so I guess discussing whether it is a tail wagging the dog scenario or not would end up being a fruitless discussion.

Is the USA just the muscle for Israel (and Europe for that matter) or are "we" the ones calling the shots?



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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #16 on: April 26, 2025, 08:58:01 AM »
Big boom in Iranian port
Some reports saying it was ammonium nitrate some saying an arms shipment gone wrong or right depending on your POV

https://x.com/sentdefender/status/1916098353814802709

https://x.com/amuse/status/1916080721921245373
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #17 on: April 27, 2025, 07:09:21 AM »
Quote from: WLJ on April 17, 2025, 01:30:39 PM
There are ways and there's a lot of variables in this but the devil would be in conclusively proving it was Iran in many such scenarios.

Would it actually matter?  I reckon back to a time when there was some talk about a "Pax Americana."

These were not the words used then, but our family had lost a number of folks during WWII and was perhaps more jingoisitic than many.

The actual flavor of the discourse was more Brooklynesque than Latinesque, as in "We should atom bomb the living *expletive deleted*it out of any aholes who want to *expletive deleted*ck with us again."

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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #18 on: April 27, 2025, 08:09:52 AM »
There is a huge factor about Iran that most do not account for- they know they have a good gig going with screeching about the US and Isreal, committing attacks in their sphere of influence, getting the sympathy of the world that hates us, etc it’s all gravy for them

Especially when the democrats and the US government frequently throws a ton of money at them as a reward for doing all of that.
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Re: War with Iran
« Reply #19 on: April 27, 2025, 02:40:04 PM »
Jusrt a variation on TR's big stick philosophy..............only real diff. is the Orange Man is NOT soft spoken!
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