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Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« on: April 23, 2025, 11:41:43 AM »
Mossberg, having decided that the Shockwave was not a ridiculous enough firearm, has adjusted their Semi-Auto shotgun's gas system (it seems 940 based?) to take a Bird's head grip and are selling it as a 14/75" barreled "Other Firearm".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxtI5ZyKTi0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wqoHW-sNqIs

As it ships, I have less than zero interest in this.  Maybe if I needed a shotgun to use inside a vehicle, but I don't.  I never actually shot my Shockwave in stock configuration.  I think they are just silly, trending towards dangerous.  But......As you know, my motto may as well be "When in doubt, Tax Stamp"  and if this thing will take 940 stocks without modification that could be a really interesting "easy" button to a handy HD shotgun.

My 14" pump SBS has really made me rethink tactical shotguns.  That 4" off the front makes a HUGE difference in use inside of a building or barricades.  A semi version would be interesting.  Mossberg's MSRP for this is a little silly ($1120) , but I'll be interested to see what they go for on the street.

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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #1 on: April 23, 2025, 11:50:58 AM »
I like it, but I have a soft spot for PGOs.

I'm torn between the shorter barrel and reduced mag capacity, though the five round mag is impressive given its miniscule length.

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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #2 on: April 23, 2025, 01:10:26 PM »
Mossberg, having decided that the Shockwave was not a ridiculous enough firearm, has adjusted their Semi-Auto shotgun's gas system (it seems 940 based?) to take a Bird's head grip and are selling it as a 14/75" barreled "Other Firearm".



Don't forget it was also Mossberg who thought a 22 needed a brake that looked like it came off a 50BMG. Poor barrel looks like it going to bend

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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #3 on: April 23, 2025, 01:32:31 PM »
I have been considering a Shockwave, but I keep waffling on the idea.  If I got one, I was looking at the 590S model that is supposed to cycle the 1-3/4" shells.  I have some Federal 1-3/4" that are #4 buck and do 1100 fps.  I figure 8 or 9 rounds of that is still pretty good.  I think you can mix shell lengths as well. 

For that price point, I don't think I would seriously consider the 990.  A regular Beretta 1301 is a pretty light and handy shotgun for just a little more.
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #4 on: April 24, 2025, 01:24:07 AM »
Frankly, a side by side cut down to 18" without 6" of action behind it?
 
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #5 on: April 24, 2025, 08:21:43 AM »
I have yet to fire a stockless 12 ga of any description or capacity that I thought was a good weapon, or practical outside of very specific, niche situations.

They may exist, but I haven't used them.

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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #6 on: April 24, 2025, 08:31:44 AM »
Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see a lot of benefits to the "compact shotgun" thing outside of a breaching tool. If I'm looking for compact but bigger than a pistol, it just seems stuff like the shorter SBRs/AR pistols or MP5s or similar have more benefits. This with the assumption that you want the shorty shotgun for indoor use.
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #7 on: April 24, 2025, 09:07:59 AM »
Maybe I'm missing something, but I can't see a lot of benefits to the "compact shotgun" thing outside of a breaching tool. If I'm looking for compact but bigger than a pistol, it just seems stuff like the shorter SBRs/AR pistols or MP5s or similar have more benefits. This with the assumption that you want the shorty shotgun for indoor use.

I don't necessarily disagree with you here, but here's what I've found from recent experience:

The difference in maneuverability and handling in tight spaces or indoors between a 14" shotgun and an 18" shotgun is huge.  I would say it's larger than the difference in handling between a Mk12 (18" AR) and an M4 (14.5") AR.  It is pretty universally accepted that for work in close quarters or confined spaces an M4 is better than a Mk12.

12ga buck, up close, is a devastating load ballistically.  It's probably closer to the fabled "One Shot Stop" than 5.56, although at bad breath distances, both are very capable loads for anti human work.  There are overpenetration concerns with both rounds depending on your load, and dwelling construction.  A 12ga is obviously lower capacity and higher recoil than a 5.56SBR or 9mm subgun, but the trade off is a significantly larger amount of lead going downrange per trigger pull.

So: keeping all that in mind, if you have decided that a 12ga is your HD/Vehicle Defense weapon of choice, all other things being equal, a 14" SBS will be significantly better in that role than even a 18" riot style gun. (this does not apply IMNSHO to PGO or Birds head gripped 12ga) It will maneuver better in confined spaces, and transition between targets better, and overall be better for the close in HD work.  Like the SBR vs Rifle comparison it'll give up some range over it's longer barreled brother, but not a meaningful amount in the context of a gunfight inside a building or vehicle.

Now I still don't claim to be a shotgunner, and I personally still use an SBR (or Subgun) for my HD work, because that's what I train with the most, but after running my SBS, the .gov's SBS, a buddies SBS (the Genesis), my 18" 870, and a 1301 for several thousand shells over the last 6 months that's what I've found.

YMM, of course, V.

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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #8 on: April 24, 2025, 09:20:56 AM »

The difference in maneuverability and handling in tight spaces or indoors between a 14" shotgun and an 18" shotgun is huge.  I would say it's larger than the difference in handling between a Mk12 (18" AR) and an M4 (14.5") AR.  It is pretty universally accepted that for work in close quarters or confined spaces an M4 is better than a Mk12.

I can certainly agree that what seems like little length can make a huge difference. I have tried running the house with my 11.8" MK111 with a can, and my MCX with a can, and it is night and day difference in maneuverability, which is why the Canebrake is the house gun.
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #9 on: April 24, 2025, 11:30:02 AM »
I really like my KSG. 14 rounds of 00, length of a shockwave, “stock”, no NFA stamp.

I’ve always been a fan of the 12 gauge. Absolutely devastating.
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #10 on: April 24, 2025, 12:00:02 PM »
I really like my KSG. 14 rounds of 00, length of a shockwave, “stock”, no NFA stamp.

I’ve always been a fan of the 12 gauge. Absolutely devastating.

14+1
Or 24+1 if using mini shells
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2025, 12:02:08 PM »
14+1
Or 24+1 if using mini shells

Have not tried the mini shells yet due to poor local availability. I only want to buy a box in case they are unreliable.

They also have the long boi that is the length of a normal HD shotgun and holds 25 but I wanted mine for the shortness aspect
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #12 on: April 24, 2025, 12:04:06 PM »
Have not tried the mini shells yet due to poor local availability. I only want to buy a box in case they are unreliable.

They also have the long boi that is the length of a normal HD shotgun and holds 25 but I wanted mine for the shortness aspect

KSGs run them just fine
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #13 on: April 24, 2025, 01:44:52 PM »
My KSG was less than reliable.  I did have one of the early ones, so maybe Kel-Tec tweaked them a bit, but you had to be very deliberate about how you ran the pump.  My 590 has no such issues.

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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #14 on: April 24, 2025, 01:46:22 PM »
My KSG was less than reliable.  I did have one of the early ones, so maybe Kel-Tec tweaked them a bit, but you had to be very deliberate about how you ran the pump.  My 590 has no such issues.

Think they're on Gen 3 by now.
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #15 on: April 24, 2025, 01:54:47 PM »
Mines good. They’ve definitely made some improvements from the first generation

It’s an Ithaca 37 action essentially so the shell release onto the carrier happens at right there at the last bit of the pump stroke. But I’ve always run the pumps hard on my guns so it’s not a problem for me

The only thing I wish is they had relieved the forend a little more where it ramps and contacts the slide release, forcing it down. I believe without that interference it would be a little smoother.

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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #16 on: April 24, 2025, 02:25:51 PM »
OAL is 26" or close, right?
 
I wonder... Saw a bunch of these, or similar, at last week's gun show.
 
Now, granted, they're uglier than that girl I took to a dance in high school, where we all stood around looking at the cool kids, but... If it runs worth a damn, could be fun.
 
I probably wouldn't want a STL Prosecutor waving it at me in a courtroom.
 
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/142860/tokarev+tbp+12+gauge+bullpup+shotgun+18.5+barrel+flip+up+sights

I still just want a double barrel - that loses 6" or more of action right there, but you only have two shots... But those two holes look SO big... And if I find one with the external hammers, I can leave it hot but uncocked.
 
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #17 on: April 24, 2025, 02:26:55 PM »
Oh, time to make some folks twitch...
 
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #18 on: April 24, 2025, 02:30:09 PM »
Mines good. They’ve definitely made some improvements from the first generation

It’s an Ithaca 37 action essentially so the shell release onto the carrier happens at right there at the last bit of the pump stroke. But I’ve always run the pumps hard on my guns so it’s not a problem for me

The only thing I wish is they had relieved the forend a little more where it ramps and contacts the slide release, forcing it down. I believe without that interference it would be a little smoother.

I tell people to pump a KSG like you run the lever on a Marlin. Do it like you mean it.
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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #19 on: April 24, 2025, 05:38:33 PM »
OAL is 26" or close, right?
 
I wonder... Saw a bunch of these, or similar, at last week's gun show.
 
Now, granted, they're uglier than that girl I took to a dance in high school, where we all stood around looking at the cool kids, but... If it runs worth a damn, could be fun.
 
I probably wouldn't want a STL Prosecutor waving it at me in a courtroom.
 
https://www.budsgunshop.com/product_info.php/products_id/142860/tokarev+tbp+12+gauge+bullpup+shotgun+18.5+barrel+flip+up+sights

I still just want a double barrel - that loses 6" or more of action right there, but you only have two shots... But those two holes look SO big... And if I find one with the external hammers, I can leave it hot but uncocked.
 


I think the OAL is right at 26.1”



That’s one of the many bullpup Turkish shotguns.

Quality is not so good. Fun until they break then good luck getting parts. 



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Re: Mossberg 990 Aftershock
« Reply #20 on: April 25, 2025, 04:25:52 PM »
https://youtu.be/fM_sqSTg2v8?si=U-1nKJw3J8tIyEAL

This is Clint Smith doing a video about the Shockwave.  When I first read about the Shockwave, I wanted nothing to do with it, and I'm a shotgun guy for defensive use.  After watching this video, I'm thinking it may be a viable defensive tool for short range (inside the home) use.
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