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Why Johnny can't read
« on: May 04, 2025, 04:28:46 PM »
An article claims that 20% of Americans can't read. Based on what I encounter on an almost daily basis, even that may be a low estimate, but there it is. And -- surprise, surprise -- the author discovered that traditional instruction methods are more effective that a squishy, "intuitive" approach.

https://www.thefp.com/p/a-fifth-of-american-adults-cant-read-i-teach-them

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I used to favor the intuitive method; I thought it was more creative, more humane. But I learned the hard way: When it comes to teaching reading, you need rules, feedback, and a plan.
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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #1 on: May 04, 2025, 05:01:47 PM »
I think we need to get rid of the college degree requirement for K-12 teaching.  I don't think it has helped and it just helps fund a bunch of "education" people who don't teach kids.
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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #2 on: May 04, 2025, 06:31:22 PM »
I think we need to get rid of the college degree requirement for K-12 teaching.  I don't think it has helped and it just helps fund a bunch of "education" people who don't teach kids.

Normal kids go into college educational programs, hard left communists come out. Saw it happen with my sister.

I teach just fine without an educational degree.

And once I got asked why no redo for a test, I told them “This isn’t *expletive deleted*ing public school, we have standards”

Also- the government schools are operating and producing results exactly as designed.






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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #3 on: May 04, 2025, 08:10:25 PM »
Some of my favorite teachers from high school were people that had worked normal jobs and went into teaching. 
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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #4 on: May 04, 2025, 11:52:06 PM »
I'm old enough that my teachers in high school (even college) were there to teach the subject, not to indoctrinate us with their views of how society and the government should operate. My little sister is eleven years younger than I am. If I remember correctly, I think we started seeing the decline by the time she got to high school (actually, even while she was in grammar school).

I graduated from high school is 1962 and from college in 1966. How does that align with other people's perception of when we started the shift from education to indoctrination?
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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #5 on: May 05, 2025, 07:32:35 AM »
I graduated from high school is 1962 and from college in 1966. How does that align with other people's perception of when we started the shift from education to indoctrination?

I'm sure geography plays a role. I graduated High School in 1978, and from my old man recollection, my K-12 education was very "reading, writing, arithmetic". I don't recall being assigned any commiepinkohippie books to read in English/lit classes. I distinctly remember many of my history and government teachers were Veterans who taught what you would call a traditional history with a Western orientation. Math was math, and 2+2=4, and if you said you felt like it should be 5, you failed.

I took around a ten year break between High School and college, and that was an absolute eye-opener. By the time I got to it, the University of Calif system was inundated with hippies, both staff and students. As a science major, I will say that the actual curriculum was still at a high standard. You would have to solve the Earth radiation budget equation by hand (like three pages of equations), however after you did, you had to listen to the professor's diatribe about global warming. So social indoctrination was going on, but at least in the sciences, there was no degradation of instruction, and there were still standardized forms of testing. If you failed, you failed, regardless of gender, race, etc.

Outside of the sciences, I don't know what the educational standards were. Though I recall that at least once a week, and often more, there were some kind of protests going on, almost always with English, feminists studies, creative studies, etc. majors participating.
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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #6 on: May 05, 2025, 08:26:58 AM »
And -- surprise, surprise -- the author discovered that traditional instruction methods are more effective that a squishy, "intuitive" approach.


They coulda learned that from a few random installments of Phyllis Schlafly's radio show.
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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #7 on: May 05, 2025, 09:07:57 AM »
My wife retired a few years ago from 30+ years of elementary school teaching. She has a specialty in teaching reading and they would send the remedial reading students to her.  She has been using the traditional phonics based method for years with great success, and she has always been the structured approach person.  It certainly worked for her and her students.
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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #8 on: May 05, 2025, 10:49:05 AM »
She has been using the traditional phonics based method for years with great success, and she has always been the structured approach person.  It certainly worked for her and her students.
Yeah, phonics works and is cheap, but neither one is the point of adopting a whizzbang new strategy.

I know people who were taught with whole-word approach and still live with increased difficulty reading.

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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #9 on: May 07, 2025, 09:50:34 AM »
I'm sure geography plays a role. I graduated High School in 1978, and from my old man recollection, my K-12 education was very "reading, writing, arithmetic". I don't recall being assigned any commiepinkohippie books to read in English/lit classes. I distinctly remember many of my history and government teachers were Veterans who taught what you would call a traditional history with a Western orientation. Math was math, and 2+2=4, and if you said you felt like it should be 5, you failed.

Same here. I'm appalled at how SWBMO's grandkids are being taught, expeshully math and english (lower case e because what they're being taught isn't English at all). Watched her show grandson traditional add/subtract/multiply/divide methods, plus a couple of on-the-fly math tricks. It was funny to see the light come on when she showed him how to block-add numbers (320+310 is 300 plus 300 plus 20 plus 10). He had no idea it could be done without half a page of useless scribbling.

My high school science teacher had been a B24 pilot out of Guam. Good stories, though he tended to be more storyteller than science teacher (which we didn't mind). English taught by a no-nonsense old fashioned schoolmarm who expected a lot of her students, but also took great time and effort in giving them the information and tools to accomplish it.

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Re: Why Johnny can't read
« Reply #10 on: May 07, 2025, 10:16:46 AM »
Regarding the geography, I should have added that my K-12 education was in coastal Southern Calif, which is now a hotbed of "alternative learning".

Though I guess that is somewhat of a generalization. My grandniece goes to school in Torrance, CA, and last year she sent me a video of their 6th grade history project, which was a reenactment in the auditorium (parents, etc in the audience) of a revolutionary war battle. All the kids were in period appropriate costumes, and she was holding, I won't call it a toy, but rather a replica musket. No orange tip that I could see, looked like the real thing, in a California school.
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