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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #50 on: August 04, 2007, 11:59:44 AM »
Thanks, Ron. 

There were no warnings, no explanations, just this marvelously Kafkaesque message greeting me:

"You have been banned for the following reason:
Staff Decision

Date the ban will be lifted: Never"


Sounds like the sort of explanation you get from the TSA when they ban you for no discernible reason.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #51 on: August 04, 2007, 12:24:06 PM »
I brought up the psts because it seemed to me, if true, it was symbolic:

I know why you brought them up.  I just wonder why you introduce a subject, then complain when someone else comments on it.  Was it because Mike Irwin deflated your silly caricature of THR?  Ooh, they're rewriting history.   shocked
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #52 on: August 04, 2007, 12:35:29 PM »
I know why you brought them up.  I just wonder why you introduce a subject, then complain when someone else comments on it...
Methinks you're being a bit too rough: the guy was told that his posts were gone, by someone who didn't know what he was talking about, and he believed what he was told and got a bit excited about it. Once set straight, that issue was laid to rest, but he was still no happier at finding himself banned. It doesn't strike me at all that he was trying to caricature THR.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #53 on: August 04, 2007, 12:41:23 PM »
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I think THR is suffering from some sabotage.

I concur... The general message of the democratic party is NOT "support our candidates." Instead, for the past six years, we've been bombed with "vote for ANYONE but a democrat." And it's just so EASY to take an individualistic society, such as the general gun culture, and sway 'em _away_ from something. It's harder to sway 'em toward, but away? Heck, that's easy... We're contrary naturally.

Everyone who doesn't vote against Hillary is basically a vote for her.

If I was running one of the campaigns, or affiliated with the main body of their party, I'd get some true believer types, and set 'em up with broadband. Basically set 'em out there with no other agenda than to be *expletive deleted*it disturbers... Derail anything that looks useful (for instance, a discussion on how to get CCW passed is going on, and someone asks "Hey, after this gets passed, what should I carry?" And then you've got your 9mm vs. 45 discussion as the _good idea_ part of the thread dies. I'd also get folks out there using EVERY situation as a "blame the administration." Heck - they're even blaming Bush for that bridge crash...
 
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #54 on: August 04, 2007, 12:47:53 PM »
"The posts aren't the issue; the BAN is the issue."

MY issue was to tell you that your friend was wrong about your posts.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #55 on: August 04, 2007, 12:49:30 PM »
www.2ndactivism.com if anyone wants to hang... Think "constructive" - Why should I vote for this candidate? Instead of "Vote against that evil person."
 
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #56 on: August 04, 2007, 04:47:01 PM »
Perhaps he does not want it to be a "useful place" as you would define it. Maybe he wants it to be "useful" as he defines it.

It is after all his property.

If you don't like it, start your own. Call it www.bannedfromthehighroadandproudofit.com. Smiley

But I haven't been banned!  (crosses fingers).

By the same token, I'm allowed to express my opinion.  Over time, I've found fewer and fewer topics on THR where I feel the urge to post.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #57 on: August 04, 2007, 05:27:35 PM »
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You can kill individual cookies in Firefox.  It shows you a list and you can delete only those you choose.  Unlike IE.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #58 on: August 04, 2007, 05:57:24 PM »
I have almost quit looking at THR or posting there because I don't understand the thread locking, much less the banning. Plenty of sites, not enough time. To each their own.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #59 on: August 04, 2007, 06:02:46 PM »
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That's one thing I hate about cookies.  I'd like to be able to kill them individually easier than finding them under the hidden cookie folder.  I happen to like having my preferences remembered for a dozen other sites.

You can kill individual cookies in Firefox.  It shows you a list and you can delete only those you choose.  Unlike IE.


Yes, but oddly enough I normally end up wanting to kill cookies when I'm at work, at which I'm required to use IE.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #60 on: August 04, 2007, 06:10:18 PM »
As I sez several months ago...

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I wonder if THR is undergoing a bit of an identity crisis right now. I have read THR for almost two years, and back in my early THR days I noticed many differences in political views, but fewer differences in regard to the RKBA. Things seem to be a little different now. Over the last several months there seemed to have been an influx of newbies (their participation can be a good thing for the firearm culture) seemingly willing to undergo or support "reasonable restrictions" to the RKBA, such as background checks or no RKBA for released felons. I wonder if that is creating a bit of tension between some of the more longtime posters to whom such ideas are repulsive and some of the newer members who believe such things are beneficial. And then the mods get caught right in the middle, especially if tempers occasionally flair because of such differences.

And thus, the tensions over differences in RKBA views spill over into other L&Pee topics.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #61 on: August 04, 2007, 06:25:44 PM »
I just submitted a post requesting that the RULERS at THR cancel my account and posts. They seem to be skewing to the commie left. Cancel me here too if appropriate. I will never be a socialist/communist. I don't own the site, but I don't have to participate either! Nice knowing all of you! Bye.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #62 on: August 04, 2007, 06:34:18 PM »
You want to cancel your posts here, and delete your membership?

That's up to you to do.

I'm not going to do your "I'm mad as hell and I'm not going to take it any more" work for you, Mr. Beale.

I don't think any of the other mods will, either.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #63 on: August 04, 2007, 06:39:39 PM »
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pax dropped out of moderating because she has a real life.

Smart woman. Then again, I am biased, having been home-schooled myself. Local government facilities are...shall we say...not meant for human children.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #64 on: August 04, 2007, 06:49:39 PM »
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I just submitted a post requesting that the RULERS at THR cancel my account and posts. They seem to be skewing to the commie left. Cancel me here too if appropriate. I will never be a socialist/communist. I don't own the site, but I don't have to participate either! Nice knowing all of you! Bye.

Seems to be a rather overboard reaction. L&P was operating well outside its supposed narrow focus for a long time. I suspect they will keep it tightly focused on rights, particularly self defense/2nd amendment if it comes back.

The political arguing wasn't doing the furtherance of our cause much good, it was getting pretty divisive actually.

I for one never saw THR as being a very right wing place. It has a lot of right wingers as members but it was always open to all political leanings. That is one of the reasons I enjoyed it when I first found it, it wasn't necessarily an echo chamber of my own beliefs.


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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #65 on: August 04, 2007, 06:57:57 PM »
mountainclimber has shown us all the way.  We must all rise up and ban ourselves from the Armed Politburo Soviet.  (I know that's probably an incongruous conjunction of ComParty-related words, but I'm making a point, durn it!)  Show them, mountainclimber!  Delete your account!  Make the first blow for freedom!  And we'll all be right behind you.  We promise.   smiley
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #66 on: August 04, 2007, 07:53:30 PM »
Yeah, I remember back in the good ol' days of The High Road.  Splendid times indeed.

I remember The Round Table.  That was a hoot!  Loved it!

I remember when TRT was taken away and eventually this nice place here, Armed Polite Society, came into being.  Greatly appreciated I might add!

I do recall, even after TRT at THR was removed, the conversations on the Legal & Political board were super. IIRC, even back then, the Moderators had a difficult time maintaining some sense of "high road" content.  That is appreciated too.

My "however" is that it seems to me that there are a few Mods who's political views and personal bias' get in the way of objective moderating.  I realize humans are humans and all, but I think perhaps there is a lack of oversight of the Mods by the Administrators (if that is how it is supposed to work).  I mean who's watching the watchers?

That being said, the level of tolerance of offenders of the (quite) simple rules at THR was probably way to high, myself being an offender a few times.  Now it would appear that it will be way too low and who knows how long any of us will last.  I can hear the eggshells cracking underfoot now.

Oh well, THR is what it is and that is up to the Owner, the Admins and the Mods. I do not envy their roles in this.

I wish them objectivity and fairness in their administrating and moderating.
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« Reply #67 on: August 04, 2007, 09:40:48 PM »
When at THR I spend most of my time in the Revolvers forum (and for the sake of my bank account I MUST learn to stay out of the BS or T forums!).  When I want the help of experts, I go there--and it is still one of the best places to go.  But I try to stay away from the Opinion forums at the top of the page.  There are too many internet jockeys with the overwhelming need to be right.  I trust the world will go on without my opinions.

For more freewheeling, diverse, and respectful talks, I come here.  This place is pointedly not THR; Oleg and the other mods understand that.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #68 on: August 04, 2007, 09:42:29 PM »
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Over time, I've found fewer and fewer topics on THR where I feel the urge to post.

Same here. I find myself biting my tongue pretty often.

Usually, the content of the posts isn't the problem. Lack of civility or, for lack of a more polite term, acting like an ass towards others is the most common cause of a ban. Usually, bans are preceded by warnings.

You would be surprised at how much hand-wringing goes into every ban. I am always inclined to salvage the situations -- if possible. I do not relish offending people by telling them they can't use THR. APS was set up in part as a consolation for the mission-driven nature of THR.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #69 on: August 04, 2007, 09:52:29 PM »
I was banned like a year ago from THR and to this day I still can't really figured out why.  I conducted myself civilized and can only think of a small spat I got into with a member who used to troll my site and next thing I know is I get banned and the other person didn't.  I'd really like my ban lifted or at least have an explanation of why I was banned.  There's lots of good info there and I want to be able to learn all I can and ask questions.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #70 on: August 04, 2007, 10:14:01 PM »
If the bannings are related to incivility in political threads - I bet I didn't make more than 10 posts in L&P in the last 30 days, and I don't believe I was uncivil to anyone. Even when I bothered with the politics, I only received one notice from a moderator that she was displeased with my wording (at which point I complied with the requested edits and never heard about it again). That was in February or March.

What bothers me is the complete lack of warning or explanation. If you want someone to reform their behavior, you tell them what they're doing to displease you, and if nothing else you give them a chance to defend themselves. Which isn't to make a silly First Amendment argument or anything, it's just the way people are expected to behave.

Upside of this is that I signed into TheFiringLine for the first time in months and I've already got a line on a shiny (used) H&K P7. Downside is that it doesn't appear to have a blade forum as useful as the one on THR.
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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #71 on: August 05, 2007, 06:40:43 AM »
Usually, the content of the posts isn't the problem. Lack of civility or, for lack of a more polite term, acting like an ass towards others is the most common cause of a ban. Usually, bans are preceded by warnings.

I hang out on a few other sites, where the tolerance levels of outright attacks are generally 100x of what they are here, much less over on THR.

Never the less, useful conversations(for the point of the board), still take place.  Threads do get locked, but usually less frequently than on THR or APS.  The biggest ban rate is stomping on the advertising trolls who register for an account to push some product.  They get banned & their posts deleted.

Now, they do sometimes hand out two-week to month long bans.  They also hand out 72 hour bans like candy.  When a long-time user gets permabanned, everybody knows why.  Everybody.  The situation on THR lately seems too 'knives in the night' to me lately.

I too can be a radical hothead, though I try to avoid insulting people personally, or use bad language.  The way I look at it, insulting people is just asking for them to close their ears, and bad language is just that.  I have enough trouble with my spelling and grammar, mixing in gratuitous four letter words doesn't help.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #72 on: August 05, 2007, 07:05:02 AM »
I was banned like a year ago from THR and to this day I still can't really figured out why.  I conducted myself civilized and can only think of a small spat I got into with a member who used to troll my site and next thing I know is I get banned and the other person didn't.  I'd really like my ban lifted or at least have an explanation of why I was banned.  There's lots of good info there and I want to be able to learn all I can and ask questions.

If you ask Oleg maybe he will tell you why you were banned.

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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #73 on: August 05, 2007, 07:18:39 AM »

I hang out on a few other sites, where the tolerance levels of outright attacks are generally 100x of what they are here, much less over on THR.

Never the less, useful conversations(for the point of the board), still take place.  Threads do get locked, but usually less frequently than on THR or APS.  The biggest ban rate is stomping on the advertising trolls who register for an account to push some product.  They get banned & their posts deleted.

Now, they do sometimes hand out two-week to month long bans.  They also hand out 72 hour bans like candy.  When a long-time user gets permabanned, everybody knows why.  Everybody.  The situation on THR lately seems too 'knives in the night' to me lately.

I too can be a radical hothead, though I try to avoid insulting people personally, or use bad language.  The way I look at it, insulting people is just asking for them to close their ears, and bad language is just that.  I have enough trouble with my spelling and grammar, mixing in gratuitous four letter words doesn't help.

It is a lot easier to be an ornery cuss in an Internet forum than in real life. My guess is that most forum users understand that and are not anywhere near as offended as they would be if someone said it to them face to face.

There is also the cop bashing issue. Its clear that one of the bugaboos of the forum owner is the so called cop bashing. Best thing to do is just ban topics about cops entirely. There is no real need for them in the first place.  I suspect the forum owner somehow thinks that being nice to cops will somehow help the cause of RTKBA. IMO, this is not so. As best I can tell, despite the overwhelming support for police that has been shown by those of us who support the RTKBA, very little of it has been reflected in police support for us. We have always had a fair amount of support from cops in general, but that is no real surprise. Cops are just fellow citizens that tend to think the way their fellow citizens do, so it is unsurprising that some would support us, and others would oppose us. Personally, I think it is a huge mistake to attach the RTKBA to any discussion of police. The RTKBA does not, nor has it ever had anything to do with police. They are government employees who are given powers by government, among them are the power to carry firearms. But that situation has absolutely nothing to do with the RTKBA that all citizens inherently have, and we ought not to mix the two together.



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Re: Um, if any THR mods read this, could you tell me why I was banned?
« Reply #74 on: August 05, 2007, 08:48:56 AM »
Maybe Oleg just thinks that good guys who happen to be cops and risk their lives doing good work shouldn't be smeared and slandered.  Maybe he's just opposed to the poor logic of over-generalization.  Maybe he just doesn't want the general public to think that gun owners are anarchist criminals.  Maybe he doesn't want good gun guys to be turned off of his site, just because they are cops. 

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