Fresh from a closed thread on The High Road

[Paddy]

Fine.  I'll answer, using simple terms everyone will understand.  Has anyone else here noticed that certain powerful USGov figures (W, for one) are intent on staying buddy-buddy with Mexico, and very reluctant to get tough on illegal immigration, despite massive public outcry?  Does that help explain why the USGov would prefer to keep this low-key?

Until there's a real downhome firefight between the Mexicans and some Texas ranchers, with many dead.  Then you're gonna see gubmint demonize the Tejanos, throw 'em under the bus and go Waco on 'em.

We need regime change in the U.S., bigtime. 

[De Selby]

Wait a minute-

The best answer I've seen so far is that this is covered up so that the US gov won't offend the Mexican gov?  They're coddling them so as to not upset the powerful Mexican officials who clearly are calling the shots in Washington???

That's quite a bit beyond believable.  It's the Mexican leadership who are jumping to accomodate American business interests, not the other way around.

This, fistful:

Has anyone else here noticed that certain powerful USGov figures (W, for one) are intent on staying buddy-buddy with Mexico, and very reluctant to get tough on illegal immigration, despite massive public outcry? 

Has more to do with the American constituents who benefit from illegal immigration, than it does with the Mexican government.  If anything, muscling the Mexican gov't into not having these sorts of incidents benefits those who do not want to stop illegal immigration. 

There is illegal immigration because some Americans want it, not because the US is beholden to the whims of the Mexican government.

The only stories involving military-type weapons I've seen involve drug smuggling, which is an entirely separate issue. 

[longeyes]

What do you think the US government's motivation is for covering up assaults by Mexican troops?

It's bad for global business to let the American people know we are being gamed by a narco-terrorist state.  It would bum the American consumer out, and we mustn't have that.

Why no A-10s?  Come on, people, they're saving those for the American loyalists who have the chutzpah to challenge the grand agenda down the road.

[Paddy]

It's the Mexican leadership who are jumping to accomodate American business interests, not the other way around.

By sending us millions of their hard working citizens to do the work Americans just won't do?

[De Selby]

It's the Mexican leadership who are jumping to accomodate American business interests, not the other way around.

By sending us millions of their hard working citizens to do the work Americans just won't do?

Yes, actually.  It's not too tough to imagine how fairly powerful constituent groups benefit from an increased supply of labor. 

[Perd Hapley]

This, fistful:

Has anyone else here noticed that certain powerful USGov figures (W, for one) are intent on staying buddy-buddy with Mexico, and very reluctant to get tough on illegal immigration, despite massive public outcry? 

Has more to do with the American constituents who benefit from illegal immigration, than it does with the Mexican government.  There is illegal immigration because some Americans want it, not because the US is beholden to the whims of the Mexican government.

Yeah, probably.  I never said that Mexico controls DC.   

The only stories involving military-type weapons I've seen involve drug smuggling, which is an entirely separate issue. 

From what I'm told, the Mexican military ARE the drug smugglers.  But that's just what I've heard. 

[280plus]

Screw it, let's just nuke Mexico. They don't have the bomb, what could they do? 

[Hawkmoon]

Maybe Worldnetdaily is selling a hyped up story, and the head of Homeland security is telling the truth when he says these reports are "overblown."  That's a possibility too, and would explain why the A-10's weren't sent in.

Yes, that's a possibility. It's also a possiblity that pigs may one day learn to fly.

In reality, the Mexican military is regularly crossing into the United States in support of drug and illegal immigrant runners. That's what's happening in real life. Deal with it. My Jeeper friends in southern AZ no longer go onto the desert south of Tucson solo. Too much chance of an accidental encounter with Mexican soldados. My cousin-in-law sold her apartment in Scottsdale and moved farther north.

[charby]

Screw it, let's just nuke Mexico. They don't have the bomb, what could they do? 

I concur.... that is the TR method

[yesitsloaded]

I was of the understanding that Mexico is supplying labor to the big businesses that run this country. Cutting off that labor means some people might have to get off of welfare and actually earn their food. And if they have to work, they might want to vote for less taxes, which means they might all do something crazy like vote for Ron Paul en mass. And we just can't have that now can we

[Manedwolf]

I was of the understanding that Mexico is supplying labor to the big businesses that run this country. Cutting off that labor means some people might have to get off of welfare and actually earn their food. And if they have to work, they might want to vote for less taxes, which means they might all do something crazy like vote for Ron Paul en mass. And we just can't have that now can we

With you right up to the last part.

Off welfare, yes. Less taxes, yes. Paul the "anti-zionist agenda" frootloop..um...no.

That's like 2+2=4, 4+2=fish

Does Not Match.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

where are all the pics of these incursions?  come on  somebody gets shoved by a cop we get video at 6  how do these guys escape showing a ll more proof

[ilbob]

where are all the pics of these incursions?  come on  somebody gets shoved by a cop we get video at 6  how do these guys escape showing a ll more proof

you would think with all the cops there that at least someone would have had some kind of camera.

[jnojr]

What do you think the US government's motivation is for covering up assaults by Mexican troops?

Because, as future members of the North American Union, they're on the same side.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

heck even the fish and game guy have nite vision and cams   thesefolks on the border are very tricky to avoid being on cam

[longeyes]

They just come here to ethnically cleanse.

If you don't believe it, read the L.A. Times on what Mexican gangs are doing to blacks in L.A. 'hoods.

[De Selby]

So what would the Mexican government withhold or use against the American gov if it were to crack down and not be "buddy buddy"?

What leverage do they have that would give ample reason for the US to cover-up Mexican government abuses?

[280plus]

Screw it, let's just nuke Mexico. They don't have the bomb, what could they do? 

I concur.... that is the TR method

Well, I'll bet if we just laid them strategically along the border and made a precise burn line of nuclear wasteland from one end to the other, it might deter them a bit. And well, you know, if TJ for example was to get caught in a little accidental overburn, uh, oops! 

Just kidding Mexico, juuuust kidding... 

[Perd Hapley]

So what would the Mexican government withhold or use against the American gov if it were to crack down and not be "buddy buddy"?  What leverage do they have that would give ample reason for the US to cover-up Mexican government abuses? 

You're assuming that our government wants to "crack down" in the first place.  I didn't say that Mexico was threatening us with anything.  Try again. 

[longeyes]

So what would the Mexican government withhold or use against the American gov if it were to crack down and not be "buddy buddy"?
What leverage do they have that would give ample reason for the US to cover-up Mexican government abuses?

For starters, our side's cut of the drug profits.  How much is stashed in accounts in NY and Chicago and Miami banks?  The right people were paid off long ago, and that spoor goes all the way to the highest circles.  It wouldn't be the first time American fortunes and American politicos and American banks profited from the drug trade.  Ask the Chinese.

We are at war with Mexico.  That is to say, the American people are, not the American elites.  The elites are quite okay with everything that's going on.  What sane nation would willingly permit an invasion of foreign thugs who conduct ethnic cleansing on its soil?  When you no longer have responsible citizens and a representative government you get insanity, and that's what we've got right here in the US of A.

[De Selby]

So what would the Mexican government withhold or use against the American gov if it were to crack down and not be "buddy buddy"?  What leverage do they have that would give ample reason for the US to cover-up Mexican government abuses? 

You're assuming that our government wants to "crack down" in the first place.  I didn't say that Mexico was threatening us with anything.  Try again. 

You said that our government wants to stay "buddy buddy" with the Mexican government, which is why they would cover this up.  And I'm questioning what the Mexican government would do if the US didn't remain "buddy buddy".

If Mexico can do nothing subtantial in retaliation, what does the US gain from covering up these kinds of incidents involving Mexican military attacks on the US?

[Perd Hapley]

I never said they are worried about reprisal from Mexico.  But it is obvious they don't want any more attention paid to the border than is extant. 

[Art Eatman]

shootinstudent, percentagewise, the two main sources of money for the Mexican GDP is from the sale of oil and the money sent home by Mexicans working in the U.S.  That's a publicly reported number.

The overall workingman's situation in Mexico is such that without their people up here, the place would blow up in a new revolution that would send even more people north as refugees.  It was bad enough in 1910, when the entire population down there was 17 million.  Mexico City, alone, is now more than that.  (Estimated at 17 million when I was there in 1978.)

(An 18-year-old wetback kid from Mexico City who showed up at my place in 1985  looking for work told me that yeah, plenty of work, back home, but a day's wages wouldn't buy a day's food.)

Between Del Rio and Laredo, Texas, some narcotrafficantes bought ranches.  Offered double the prevailing price for land, to be paid "en plombo o oro"--in gold or lead.  Alternatively, they'd bring dope across the Rio by raft and load it into trucks.  They'd then drive across a ranch to the highway.  A rancher was commonly told to stay home that night.  Knowing that the smugglers had M16s and night-vision equipment...Some variants of that are still going on.

Incidents at that crossing up toward El Paso are quite common.

Mexican army generals, in cahoots with state governors and or city mayors, have "areas of interest" for marijuana farms.  If you fly the border in the morning at around 10,000 to 12,000 feet when the air is cool and clear, you can use binoculars and see some of the irrigated fields and airstrips in the middle of nowhere with a dozen parked planes.  Look on an El Paso Sectional Chart for the (IIRC) Culbertson County VOR near Van Horn.  Follow the 192-degree radial into Mexico.  See the nice airstrip?  Yuppers...

Generals are involved so their soldiers can escort the shipments northward.

Narcotrafficantes did not corrupt Mexico.  Narcotrafficantes are cash cows, whom the establishment milks for money.  This does not mean there are no anti-drug, honest folks in the Mexican establishment.  It merely means they're a minority.

Believe me, WND ain't blowing smoke.

Art

[Art Eatman]

Oh:  If you ever go down to Presidio, Texas, it's worth the trip to go to a non-tourist Mexican town, Ojinaga, Chihuahua.  Go at noon.  Go straight from the bridge for about a mile and stop at the Millenium Motel/Restaurant/Cabaret.

One of the better restaurants in town.  Belongs to the local narcotrafficante.  He's a lieutenant of the Main Man in Juarez.  He's spending some of his own money helping in a cleanup/paintup/fixup program around town.

, Art

[De Selby]

shootinstudent, percentagewise, the two main sources of money for the Mexican GDP is from the sale of oil and the money sent home by Mexicans working in the U.S.  That's a publicly reported number.

Yep, I agree. That explains why Mexico would bend over backwards not to offend the United States.

It does not, however, explain why the US would bend over backwards to maintain good relations with the Mexican government.

If the Mexican government has no effective response to US pressure, what exactly is the US to gain from covering up incidents involving Mexican government troops?

And if there's no US interest in covering up such incidents, why would the US do it?