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Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« on: November 26, 2007, 04:32:00 PM »
Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy at Sheet Metal Factory

Monday , November 26, 2007
By Catherine Donaldson-Evans

After a sheet metal plant in Connecticut ordered its employees to speak only English on the job because of safety concerns, five Spanish-speaking workers decided to take the company to court.

The employees, who are legal immigrants, say the rule amounts to discrimination and actually makes the workplace more hazardous.

"I can think of no good reason for them to institute this policy," said Steven Jacobs, the lawyer for the workers who are suing GC Industries in Deep River, Conn. "It's offensive to people who speak Spanish and is potentially dangerous. It inhibits them from communicating in their native tongue in situations that could put people at risk."

According to the lawsuit, the plant's "Common Language Policy" was suddenly posted in fliers on the factory bulletin board on March 15, 2006.

The notice stated that "there be one language spoken during working time at all plants and facilities of GCI, and that language is English." It specified that the policy would be enforced when "any employee is 'on the clock,'" and said violations could lead to warnings and dismissal.

Court documents show that the announcement, which was also posted in Spanish, was signed by company president Thomas Arbella.

But Andres Moran, who speaks fluent English, said he and his four co-plaintiffs needed to communicate in Spanish in order to do their jobs.

"Not everybody over there is fluent in English," said Moran, 22. "How would I be able to talk to them? I wouldn't be able to communicate with them. That was my argument. ... I kept on speaking Spanish to whoever understood my language."

The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission (EEOC) has discouraged such blanket English-only mandates at work, unless they are justified as a business necessity.

"A rule requiring employees to speak only English at all times on the job may violate Title VII, unless an employer shows it is necessary for conducting business," the EEOC says on its Web site. "If an employer believes the English-only rule is critical for business purposes, employees have to be told when they must speak English and the consequences for violating the rule."

A company must also specify why the use of another language hurts or interferes with productivity and efficiency, according to the EEOC.

Moran said that although the rest of the GCI employees "kind of shut their mouth and didn't speak at all," he and the other four continued to use Spanish with their coworkers who weren't well-versed in English.

The five plaintiffs received a second warning to stop speaking Spanish while at work  or face dismissal. Executives told the workers that they could institute any policy they liked because GCI is a private company.

"I felt like I was a slave, basically," said Moran. "I felt discriminated against, violated. I didn't know what to do."

Moran was later transferred from being a packer  which involves packaging sheets of metal  to the more strenuous and less desirable job of hanger, which requires workers to hang heavy sections of metal on racks on the assembly line.

Despite the fact that it was harder work, he said, he was paid the same $9 an hour.

When he persisted in speaking Spanish and asking for his old job back, Moran was laid off after about nine months with the company, he said.

"Richard [Gordon, GCI general manager] took me outside and said, 'We don't need you working anymore. We're not getting as much production,'" Moran remembered. "The next week, they hired somebody else."

A woman answering the phone at GCI declined to give her name or comment on the legal battle.

The five workers filed their discrimination lawsuit against GCI last week, and are seeking compensatory and punitive damages in the amount of $100,000 per employee, according to Jacobs. The civil suit could ultimately go before a jury.

Jacobs said he also filed a discrimination complaint on behalf of the men with the EEOC and the Connecticut Commission on Human Rights in late spring of 2006.

The plaintiffs contend that GCI hasn't demonstrated how speaking Spanish has had a negative impact on business. To the contrary, they argue, the common-language rule could actually hurt workflow, since so many employees have limited knowledge of English. Most of the GCI employees are of Hispanic origin, according to Jacobs.

"The company claims that the reason for the rule was to enhance the safety of the workplace," he said. "I find that excuse hard to accept when 75 to 80 percent of the workforce speaks Spanish."

He and his clients remain bewildered about what triggered the change in policy.

"I still don't know why they did it," Moran said. "Nobody complained. Nobody cared. ... They're still trying to tell people not to speak Spanish."

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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #1 on: November 26, 2007, 04:48:05 PM »
bank in virginia tried this lost in court

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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #2 on: November 26, 2007, 06:47:39 PM »
If the five workers aren't unionized, fire them without cause.

It won't stop the court case though.
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« Reply #3 on: November 27, 2007, 01:08:15 AM »
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The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission sued the Salvation Army this month in U.S. District Court in Boston saying a Framingham, Mass., thrift store violated the civil rights of two female Hispanic immigrants. The lawsuit is the second the EEOC has filed against the Salvation Army involving its English-only rule.

They sued the freaking SALVATION ARMY.  angry

You know, the people who would show up if they were caught in a disaster, put a blanket around them and a hot drink in their hands?

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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #4 on: November 27, 2007, 01:53:48 AM »
Maned - I work for a charity, we aren't exempt from breaking discrimination or other laws and we aren't exempt from court cases or consequences.

I can't find any references to the Salvation Army in the original post anyway.
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« Reply #5 on: November 27, 2007, 02:23:59 AM »
I can think of a very simple reason, justifiable by business:

You don't get better at english(or any other language) unless you practice.  One of the best methods for learning a language is immersion.

The safety argument makes sense - when the SHTF, you'll tend to speak in the language you're used to, and I assume not everybody in the shop speaks spanish.

Unfortunately spanish speaking immigrants are handicapping themselves because they're not learning english - most previous immigration waves dedicated themselves to learning it.  And we've catered to them, offering classes in spanish, documentation in spanish, spanish radio and TV, etc...

Though when I think about it, this also happened in the various 'chinatowns'.

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« Reply #6 on: November 27, 2007, 04:58:08 AM »
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Though when I think about it, this also happened in the various 'chinatowns'.
And didn't help there either, and only declined when immigration from China declined.
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« Reply #7 on: November 27, 2007, 05:10:06 AM »
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Though when I think about it, this also happened in the various 'chinatowns'.
And didn't help there either, and only declined when immigration from China declined.

Chinatowns also weren't as insular, and in fact depended on income from the surrounding cities. I've read the history of Chinatowns, and the restaurants that created the "American Chinese" food. In the earlier part of the 20th century, in many cities, the whitest of white Americans would "go down to Chinatown" for some chop suey and tea from a tea shop. The restaurant owners at least tried to speak English, even if a bit broken!

This is not the same as many Spanish-only areas. There's parts of Miami where there is no attempt made to speak English, where restaurant owners and staff don't speak English at all, and outright view English-only speakers with sullen hostility, making you feel like you don't belong in the area at all. Same with stores. They don't want your business. I know, I lived there.


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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #8 on: November 27, 2007, 05:15:50 AM »
"most previous immigration waves dedicated themselves to learning it."

Actually... No.

As today, some immigrants did want to learn the language quickly so that they would fit in in their new country.

Others, however, had no intention of doing so and moved into ethnic enclaves, which gave rise to areas such as Chinatown, Little Italy, Polakville, Hunkytown, Russiatown, etc., where chances were good that they would never have to learn a word of English. A coworker's Great Grandmother immigrated from Italy as a child just before World War I. She never learned more than a few phrases of English.

My Grandfather was born in 1902 or 1904 (can't remember) in a fairly isolated, rural area of Central Pennsylvania. The entire village had, about 100 years before, picked up and moved enmasse from Germany to the United States. My Grandfather spoke German in the home and the local school. Yes, he knew English, but his Grandfather, son of original immigrants, never did learn English.

What killed the German language in that village was World War I and the wave of anti-German sentiment that swept the nation at that time.
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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #9 on: November 27, 2007, 06:23:15 AM »
If they can prove that industrial safety is their legitimate concern, the company should win in court. Can you imagine if English wasn't the standard language for international air traffic control? I'm sure the commercial pilots here can attest that dealing with accents is bad enough, let alone multiple languages.
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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #10 on: November 27, 2007, 07:05:50 AM »
On the floor it makes sense for one language to be used, for safety reasons.  If they try to enforce the rule in the breakroom, then the argument falls apart.
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« Reply #11 on: November 27, 2007, 07:23:46 AM »
if it failed to hold up in a va court i don'y give it long odds in new england

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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #12 on: November 27, 2007, 07:25:40 AM »
if it failed to hold up in a va court i don'y give it long odds in new england

Depends. Connecticut is becoming extremely liberal, unfortunately, at least in parts.


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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #13 on: November 27, 2007, 07:33:37 AM »
Anything I said about that situation would probably lead to my immediate and irrevocable dismissal from this board as my opinion is neither nice nor high road.

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« Reply #14 on: November 27, 2007, 07:44:14 AM »
What killed the German language in that village was World War I and the wave of anti-German sentiment that swept the nation at that time.
And I am personally grateful for that. 

I doubt I would have done as well in school, employment, and life if my folks (and maybe even myself)  had grown up speaking German, as my grandfolks did.

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« Reply #15 on: November 27, 2007, 09:01:02 AM »
Are they also going to ban all words that Ameriglish has borrowed from other languages...? rolleyes
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« Reply #16 on: November 27, 2007, 01:31:13 PM »
I could see it as a legitimate saftey concern, especially in a hazardous environment like a sheet metal plant.  I sure as heck wouldn't understand a guy screaming at me in spanish, "Move out of the way, theres a piece of sheet metal about to fall on you!", I would just think I pissed him off or something.

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« Reply #17 on: November 27, 2007, 01:39:29 PM »
My maternal grandmother and grandfather came here from Lithuania.  Grammaw spoke and read several languages that were prevalent in the general area they came from.; Vilnius.   All three of her children were taught English only.  Grammaw said they were Americans, so they should speak like Americans.

Sort of shows the difference between the immigrants of the last century vs. those who come here now.  Many of them do not even want to assimilate.  If you can't or won't speak English, how can you participate in our political realm,  or expect to better yourself job wise?  Hanging on to one's indigenous language as your only or primary language when you immigrate condemns one to the lower classes.
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« Reply #18 on: November 28, 2007, 05:08:17 AM »
I had an interesting situation last night along these same lines...  Went for a haircut a couple of days ago, girl doing the cutting was obviously not a native english speaker, but you could tell she had actually worked at it, learned the nuances of the language well enough that I couldn't tell where she was from based on accent, and could actually carry on a pleasant conversation during the haircut.  Haircut got done, paid my money, headed home.  Was really happy w/ how the haircut turned out....

Wasn't until the next morning that I noticed that there was a patch on the back of my head (about 2" by 2") that was longer than the rest by about 1/2" to 3/4"...  No biggie, head back in to the same place last night to get it fixed.  Was greeted at the counter by another non-native speaker.  I could easily tell that she was from one of the slavic countries, just not which one.  No problem.  I explain to her the problem with the area on the back of my head that is the problem, she steers me towards the chair, again, no problem.  So I'm trying to explain to her exactly what I want done and she kinda laughs...  I'm thinking "ok, that's odd, but ok".  I point out the exact area, and try very carefully to explain what I want done, and she again laughs and says "Ok"...  She grabs the comb and scissors, then starts measuring AT THE FRONT of my head.  I quickly point out that that's not the area where the problem is, she says, "Yeah, I know," and before I can even say another word proceeds to cut anyways.

Well, at that point in time I knew I was screwed.  Sat through while she cut the rest of the hair *much* shorter than what I'd wanted.  So then after she's done, she makes the mistake of asking what I thought.... I patiently explained to her that she hadn't done what I'd wanted, and done what I hadn't wanted....  So she then proceeds to grab the shears and start cutting more!!!    angry

So then she asks again what I thought.  And I decided that I was try to politely explain what the problem was.  And all she was capable of saying to my complaint was (in a *very* heavy accent), "You say hair too long, I fix!"  So I go around the merry go round again, explaining that yes, ONE AREA was too long, and that was ALL that I wanted her to cut.  Finally the person in charge that night came over to the chair and asked me to explain what the problem was.  So I went into detail about how I'd come in only to get one area evened out, and that she'd taken upon herself to take from 1/2 to 3/4" from all over instead of just evening out the one area that I'd asked her to take care of.  Person in charge offers free haircut, blah blah blah. 

I get out of the chair, and then I'm trying to politely explain to her that I don't really *want* a free haircut, I want the person who is cutting my hair to actually *listen* to what I'm saying.  And then it dawned on me that it wasn't a matter of listening, so much as it was a matter of comprehending the English language.  And as politely as I could, pointed out the fact that perhaps English comprehension was the problem.  Yes, this was just a haircut.  Yes, it'll grow back.  But damn it, is it too much to ask for people who are cutting my hair to actually SPEAK ENGLISH WELL ENOUGH TO UNDERSTAND WHAT I'M ASKING THEM TO DO?

And you know, I know english is a messed up, difficult language to learn.  But I'm an immigrant too.  My family moved here when I was 11 from Brazil.  And I don't have even a trace of a foreign accent in my English.
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Re: Spanish-Speaking Workers Challenge English-Only Policy
« Reply #19 on: November 28, 2007, 05:20:22 AM »
And you know, I know english is a messed up, difficult language to learn.  But I'm an immigrant too.  My family moved here when I was 11 from Brazil.  And I don't have even a trace of a foreign accent in my English.

Nashua has a pretty sizable Brazilian community, they own some really good restaurants, neat shops and such. Seems to be a very old-world culture, people dressing up for dinner and all...and I never hear Portuguese in public, just English. Very nice people.

I get the opposite vibe from the Mexican community in general, people who seem to resent if you don't understand Spanish.

Not sure why there's such a difference.


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« Reply #20 on: November 28, 2007, 05:48:03 AM »
Maned, one thing is that the Brazilian culture is VERY open (or at least was).  They usually welcome foreigners with open arms, and when they say "make yourself at home" they really do mean it.  That's the way that I was raised, and it was the culture when my family emigrated.
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« Reply #21 on: November 28, 2007, 06:18:16 AM »
I don't mind when visitors don't know English.  I don't necessairialy mind when foreign students dont really know English.  It does bother me, though, when one immigrates and refuses to learn the prevelant language of the country.

I visited Iceland for a week.  I felt bad not being able to converse in anything more than hello/goodbye, even thoough the population didn't mind speaking English at all.  I'm headed to the Czech Republic next semester, and while I won't know anything as soon as I get there, and probably won't be fluent by the time I leave, I'm doing as much of my talking in Czech as possible, as soon as possible.

If I were moving to a country permenantly for work, you can bet I would have a good grasp of the language before I even went.
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« Reply #22 on: November 28, 2007, 06:48:38 AM »
Yes, I know that we had enclaves of foreign language speakers throughout our history.  Yes, many 1st generation immigrants never learned a really useful amount of english.

But today we have 3rd generation citizens that don't know english, and I have a problem with that.

I know from my experience in Germany that learning a new language is hard.

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« Reply #23 on: November 28, 2007, 07:31:57 AM »
Well this shows how employers hire immigrants both legal and not legal to perform tasks at a cheaper rate so they can make more money. Where I work we have immigrants legal and maybe not legal working there. But you know they are trying to learn the language. They ask questions on names of parts on a machine. They try and converse to better do their job with other workers.Some are not so tolerant as others. I can see where a employer would like for all their employees to speak one language. But also if they are talking about something not job related i.e. what are you doing after work lets go grab a bite. then it does not affect their job or performance. Could be some folks are just a bit paranoid when they can't quite understand what these folks are talking about. Wonder how the immigrants feel when they sit alone and others talk with words they don't understand. I bet they are spurred to learn this language quicker. Too bad we aren't spurred likewise to help and learn theirs.

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« Reply #24 on: November 28, 2007, 07:46:01 AM »
Well this shows how employers hire immigrants both legal and not legal to perform tasks at a cheaper rate so they can make more money. Where I work we have immigrants legal and maybe not legal working there. But you know they are trying to learn the language. They ask questions on names of parts on a machine. They try and converse to better do their job with other workers.Some are not so tolerant as others. I can see where a employer would like for all their employees to speak one language. But also if they are talking about something not job related i.e. what are you doing after work lets go grab a bite. then it does not affect their job or performance. Could be some folks are just a bit paranoid when they can't quite understand what these folks are talking about. Wonder how the immigrants feel when they sit alone and others talk with words they don't understand. I bet they are spurred to learn this language quicker. Too bad we aren't spurred likewise to help and learn theirs.

Bluerock, I'm sorry, but I have to disagree with you on this issue.  It's not too bad that we "aren't spurred likewise to help and learn theirs". Frankly, my parents at least made sure we all spoke english before we moved to the US.  Other Brazilians we know have also either worked to learn before they moved here, or learned as quickly as they could after moving here.  I had no expectation that America would help me and learn my language, rather I had to learn to speak English and speak it well enough to be understood.
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