Pledge, part Deuce...

[K Frame]

Right up front folks...

This one starts going down the road of the "Less filling, tastes great" porcelain throne argument it, too, will be locked post haste.

[Finch]

Right up front folks...

This one starts going down the road of the "Less filling, tastes great" porcelain throne argument it, too, will be locked post haste.

I was kind of disappointed to see the other thread locked. While I can understand the locking of wayward threads over at THR, I thought APS was kind of an outlet. I didn't think that we necessarily had to stay on topic. As long as we are cordial with each other, what is wrong with threads straying? Honest debate will naturally stray.

[K Frame]

APS is NOT an outlet for cyclical arguments that result in the same people saying the same thing repetitively, reflexively, and with nauseating consistency, in this case essentially "My candidate is a Constitutional Savior, Your Candidate is a Constitutional Rapist!"

Arguments that cover the exact same ground as numerous previous threads, with the exact same results (which is NO results) other than venting of spleens, gnashing of teeth, beating of chests, are a waste of Oleg Volk's time and money.

Honest debate is always welcome here. Parrots squawking at each other is not.

[Bogie]

Well, I still haven't had someone tell me how four years of Barack Obama (who likely is a True Believer around gun control) is going to be better than four years of the _worst_ Republican running...
 
The only message a "protest vote" is going to send is "Gee, fellas, looks like we fragmented their voting blocks, including the gun people, pretty well, and negated their power in a national election - everyone gets the extra bonus! See you in three years!"
 

[Finch]

Well, I still haven't had someone tell me how four years of Barack Obama (who likely is a True Believer around gun control) is going to be better than four years of the _worst_ Republican running...

Because we are not just thinking about the next four years. Sure, we can look at it term by term, but that would be reckless. Sure, a NeoCon might not take your guns away...now. But how many more pieces of PATRIOT act like legislation will they sign off on? We will get Military Commissions Act part 3 under the next NeoCon president? Along your idea of voting for party instead of platform, there will never be a chance for change. We only only get the least worst. But they both get worse every year.

[Bogie]

So, it's better to have the worst?
 
And then the worst again?

And then the worst again?

[Finch]

So, it's better to have the worst?
 
And then the worst again?

And then the worst again?

No, how about working towards something that is actually good for our country? Instead of just "well, he won't screw me over as bad as she will". Either way you're still getting screwed.

[Perd Hapley]

So, it's better to have the worst?
 
And then the worst again?

And then the worst again?

No, how about working towards something that is actually good for our country?

Why don't you?  Voting for Ron Paul screws the country as much as any other option. 

[Tecumseh]

So, it's better to have the worst?
 
And then the worst again?

And then the worst again?

No, how about working towards something that is actually good for our country?

Why don't you?  Voting for Ron Paul screws the country as much as any other option. 

  How so?  If we are only concrned about gun control, as many here are it seems, then he has the most consistency as a progun person.  His voting record and the bills he introduced in Congress show him as a true believer.

[Perd Hapley]

If we are only concrned about gun control, as many here are it seems,

Many have cited gun control as their primary concern.  I don't know any who have said it is their ONLY concern. 

[Bogie]

Voting for someone with no chance of being elected sends only the message that the winning party maintained enough solidarity to triumph.

I'm not voting for someone. I'm voting against someone.
 
And a "symbolic protest" won't work to do that.
 

[seeker_two]

So, it's better to have the worst?
 
And then the worst again?

And then the worst again?

If the worst motivates change for the better.......YES.......

[Finch]

Why don't you?  Voting for Ron Paul screws the country as much as any other option. 

In your opinion. Not in mine. Ron Paul is leagues above anyone else running for president.

[Balog]

Well, I still haven't had someone tell me how four years of Barack Obama (who likely is a True Believer around gun control) is going to be better than four years of the _worst_ Republican running...
 

Well, since you specified "worst" I'll go ahead and assume McCain's gotten the nod.  He's as bad or worse than Hil-bama on almost all issues I care about. Free speech suppression, borders, socialized medicine, global warming. He talks a good game on the 2nd but his actions aren't consistent.

Which leaves national security/Iraq. In this one area, I'll grant you he is better. But do you think the Democrat machine really wants us out of Iraq right now? Sure they say they do, but 'pubbies say they want to reduce spending and look how that's turned out. They could've stopped the war at any time, but they keep funding it.

"But Balog" you say "that just shows he'd be as bad as the dem. I wanna know how he'd be worse."

As I see it, either way the country is screwed, and the party in charge during the gang bang is going down. I'd rather that be them rather than us.

[Bogie]

You know, fun thing is, you ask a lot of kids "which President was responsible for getting us involved in Viet Nam?"
 
And you almost NEVER get the right answer... You don't get Kennedy. You don't get LBJ, who _really_ ramped things up... You get Nixon, who got us out...

[Perd Hapley]

Why don't you?  Voting for Ron Paul screws the country as much as any other option. 

In your opinion. Not in mine. Ron Paul is leagues above anyone else running for president.

That's because you only think about his platform.  In the real world, you also have to think about what he will get accomplished.  Which is nothing.  Believe me, I'd love to see most of his domestic policies enacted.  But that won't happen, even if he is elected. 

[Perd Hapley]

Voting for someone with no chance of being elected sends only the message that the winning party maintained enough solidarity to triumph.

Not so.  When a Rep. or Dem. loses because of a third party candidate, the major party has to move in that candidate's direction to get those votes back, next election. 

[Tecumseh]

Voting for someone with no chance of being elected sends only the message that the winning party maintained enough solidarity to triumph.

I'm not voting for someone. I'm voting against someone.
 
And a "symbolic protest" won't work to do that.
 

  Did you tell that to the Fred " I crapped a whole can of refried beans" Thompson people.  Some people voted for him even though his name was not on the ballot.

[Bogie]

So the Republicans moved toward Perot, and the Democrats moved toward Nader?
 
I don't think so... The Dems are generally going a bit more centrist, and so are the Republicans...

[Gewehr98]

Tecumseh, what's your deal?

Did you tell that to the Fred " I crapped a whole can of refried beans" Thompson people.  Some people voted for him even though his name was not on the ballot.

Didn't your Christian Upbringing? tell you not to keep regurgitating such stuff?

Li'l Baby Jesus weeps at your Fat Fred Thompson jokes.

[Tecumseh]

Tecumseh, what's your deal?

Did you tell that to the Fred " I crapped a whole can of refried beans" Thompson people.  Some people voted for him even though his name was not on the ballot.

Didn't your Christian Upbringing? tell you not to keep regurgitating such stuff?

Li'l Baby Jesus weeps at your Fat Fred Thompson jokes.

  He weeps cause he is laughing.

No my Christian upbringing (I dont know how to make the little trademark sign) did not tell me that.  I am just using some of the nicknames I have heard amongst different people.  I saw a great cartoon with Thompson sleeping on a hammock.  I believe it is in one of hte other threads.  Hilarious!

[Bogie]

Face it. Your kung fu is no longer good here.

[Perd Hapley]

His kung fu was never that special.  But he still gets us to respond to his trolling, so he's not doing so bad. 

[Bogie]

His kung fu is more transparent than an east-side "dancer's" costume...

[Tecumseh]

His kung fu is more transparent than an east-side "dancer's" costume...

I didnt know you frequented such places.  I am not trolling by the way.