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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #25 on: January 20, 2011, 06:57:09 PM »
the man most responible for creating one of the greatest individual liberty experiments in human history

really?  thats a bit of a reach. i spent years around folks who dedicated their lives to researching washington and even they would snort at that.  remarkable man?  yes.  super hero?  no
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #26 on: January 20, 2011, 07:22:06 PM »
the man most responible for creating one of the greatest individual liberty experiments in human history

really?  thats a bit of a reach. i spent years around folks who dedicated their lives to researching washington and even they would snort at that.  remarkable man?  yes.  super hero?  no

 ;/  You should have stopped with "bit of a reach," and left off the snort and superhero talk. Washington was vital to American resistance, and it is not a stretch to say that the revolution may have failed without him. And that noble ideals about freedom and "all men are created equal" may have been relegated to the dust bin of history.

So, no, you can't honor MLK when you're covering George Washington. That is fail. That is fake. It was just a socialism rally.
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #27 on: January 20, 2011, 07:35:10 PM »
It was just a socialism rally.

the socialists are allowed to rally.  part of the things that we fought for back then.

http://www.nytimes.com/1992/11/18/movies/review-television-unearthing-the-foibles-of-young-washington.html

george had family connections that were a big help to him
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #28 on: January 20, 2011, 07:36:28 PM »
It was just a socialism rally.

the socialists are allowed to rally. 

Your point?
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #29 on: January 20, 2011, 07:43:27 PM »
So, no, you can't honor MLK when you're covering George Washington. That is fail. That is fake. It was just a socialism rally.

seemed to imply that being a socialist rally was a  disqualifier.  their rally  that can and did do just as they wished. your rite to get riled.  oddly i suspect they are not on the net tonite whining about the folks riled
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #30 on: January 20, 2011, 08:03:25 PM »
Your point still eludes me. I'm not saying they can't do their thing, and I'm not whining. I'm just commenting.
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #31 on: January 20, 2011, 08:06:36 PM »
Washington's family connections would seem to have been somewhat irrelevant as he was facing enemy fire, which he is documented to have done repeatedly, or risking his life and reputation in an enterprise many thought impossible. Cite me a historian who will deny that Washington was pivotal at multiple points throughout the revolution.

I suppose we can also ignore the historical impact of Athenian democracy because Greeks were slave owners.

I have no beef with a rally honoring MLK for his role in the civil rights movement. I do have one when people rationalize willfully concealing a public monument to the founder of my country.

ETA: I expressed my opinion. I understood that was permissible here within the terms of use. If that is "whining" in your eyes, so be it. Saying so doesn't particularly advance your argument.
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #32 on: January 20, 2011, 08:49:21 PM »
Your point still eludes me. I'm not saying they can't do their thing, and I'm not whining. I'm just commenting.

CSD has no point, so don't worry yourself.



George Washington did enough to make him a great man, one of the greatest by any reasonable measure, a man who changed the course of history.

Thing is, he qualifies as great not only for what he did, but for what he did NOT do.

1. Did not become a military dictator after the war.
He had the only army left on CONUS.  That army had some pretty riled up folks, due to the inadequacies of civilian government.  GW was also immensely popular.  Instead, he talked his righteously angry men down.  A lesser man would have seized the power of all that.

2. Did not become a monarch, despite it being in the cards and offered.
Some folks are offered a crown when it is often wise to refuse, as other contenders may end up removing both crown and head.  GW had no such contender.  He was the only choice.  And he refused.

3. Refused to serve a 3rd (or 4th, 5th...nth) term as POTUS.
GW could have been president for life and rode the office to the grave.  Instead, he set the precedent of two terms & out (until that rat diddler FDR came along).  

How many other men, offered such power on a platter, have refused?  Repeatedly?



GW was both a greater man than MLK, he was also a better man than MLK, given all accounts.

Those buffoons at that rally display their ignorance and foolishness for all to see when, instead of embracing GW, they wall him off.  Thank the good Lord for free speech, as it lets ignoramuses tell us all of their degraded state.




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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #33 on: January 20, 2011, 08:49:34 PM »
Google Stanley Levinson and see what The Atlantic has to say about him and MLK.
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #34 on: January 20, 2011, 09:03:24 PM »
its not google but a serious reading of scholarly research on george washington is not quite like school.   had the opportunity when i worked here.
http://www.kenmore.org/

along with the chance to discuss washington the man as opposed to the legend with folks who spent decades focused on the minutae of his life and that of his family
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #35 on: January 21, 2011, 03:46:42 PM »
So your argument is that George Washington had flaws? You can't refute the specific points that have been made about him? You can only retort that he did some bad things?


Roo_ster, have you heard of the Newburgh conspiracy, and Washington's role in scotching it? Fascinating stuff.
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #36 on: January 21, 2011, 04:47:19 PM »
no  my agrument is that their rally  they didn't touch george just erected a freestanding screen to hide him.  is fine with me.  then the washington as god stuff started and i gigglesnorted.  we had access to a whole gw library and were encouraged to read it.  when folks did there was what we called the "disillusioned look" that new folks got when they read
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #37 on: January 21, 2011, 04:51:29 PM »
C&SD, it may surprise you, but some of us all quite aware of Washington's flaws and believe the view of Washinton the hero is justified.
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #38 on: January 21, 2011, 05:31:20 PM »
no  my agrument is that their rally  they didn't touch george just erected a freestanding screen to hide him.  is fine with me.  then the washington as god stuff started and i gigglesnorted.  we had access to a whole gw library and were encouraged to read it.  when folks did there was what we called the "disillusioned look" that new folks got when they read

Oh, so I was correct.

"Washington as god." Yeah. Any recognition of a man's achievements is deification. Got it.
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #39 on: January 21, 2011, 05:52:32 PM »
C&SD, it may surprise you, but some of us all quite aware of Washington's flaws and believe the view of Washinton the hero is justified.

What MB wrote.

I also think MLK was a great man, despite some serious flaws.  Not as great as GW, but that is no insult. 

Am I deifying MLK, too, or does MLK get a pass for some reason?
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #40 on: January 21, 2011, 05:56:00 PM »
i'm more a malcom x fan
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Re: It's MLK Day - Hide George!
« Reply #41 on: January 21, 2011, 06:06:28 PM »
Great post, roo_ster.

All of you Washington fans are racists, though. Sorry, but it always has to be said. ;)