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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #150 on: July 29, 2009, 04:08:53 AM »
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Whoa now.  You're describing the Founding Fathers.   Let's not romanticize the educated OR the uneducated.  That isn't the real issue here.

Exactly. Who can vote is not the real issue.

In today's culture, the wealthy and educated are in general in favor of the current status-quo, because they benefit from it.

In the Roman Republic, though the poor technically could vote, a variety of limitations existed that de-facto set the system largely in favor of the wealthy [you had to be physically present in the city of Rome to vote – so they could pile in wealthy Roman citizens from all over, but only those poor who actually lived in Rome voted; the wealthy had something like 12 tribas, whereas the poor had 4, and so forth]. Yet none of this prevented the Roman Republic from failing.

Most importantly, the purpose of government is not solely to secure property. It is to secure the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Property is but a part of these.

But that is a moral stance, and it is of course impractical.

On a more practical reason, we need to remember that the socialists strive, politically, by creating groups of self-identification. The proletariat is not inherently anti-capitalist. It is when the proletariat (or the lumpen-proletariat) is persuaded that it should self-identify as a class, and that its interests are contrary to those of the capitalists, that it becomes anti-capitalist.

A very socialist professor of mine once remarked that the "problem" (I naturally view it as an advantage) of American culture is that workers in America don't identify themselves as 'proletariat' but as potential capitalists. As such – he claimed – they are less willing than Europeans to tolerate anti-capitalist measures, because they believe they might end up as capitalists tomorrow. You may remember Joe Wurzelbacher's [sp?] question for Obama as an example of this phenomenon.

And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how we should act if we are to defeat socialism. If we believe that certain classes of people, or races of people, or groups of people, are inherently anti-capitalist or anti-freedom, and forfeiting these groups to the socialist foe, we let the socialist win.

Instead of vacillating about how poor people [or minorities] should not vote, the proper thing to do is come up with ways to remind poor people that overregulation harms them by driving up prices on goods and closing off entry into the market (and dozens of other ways). [There is an excellent book out there by Thomas Sowell, for instance, describing how market regulation harms poor Afrcan-Americans].

The various social groups are not cast in stone, nor are they property of a given political entity.

A 17-year-old young man can be a socialist, or he can be a libertarian.

A worker can see himself as an oppressed proletarian or as a potential capitalist.

The work is not to prevent him from voting, the work is to persuade him that our version of self-identification is one that fits him best.

If Democrats were capable of persuading certain social groups that they were their "natural" constituency, we can do it right back.
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« Reply #151 on: July 29, 2009, 06:59:42 AM »
That would be sales tax and allow you to vote for state (or maybe city) issues.

Not federal.

Tie federal voting to federal income tax.  Make it actually do something in our favor for once.  No tax return with an amount paid value > 0 in the correct form 1040 box?  No federal vote for you this year.  No House of Reps, no Senate, no President.

Also tie it to eligibility for federal office.

Okay.  Make that a gallon of gas.  There, you've just paid federal taxes.
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #152 on: July 29, 2009, 08:54:41 AM »
Exactly. Who can vote is not the real issue.

In today's culture, the wealthy and educated are in general in favor of the current status-quo, because they benefit from it.

In the Roman Republic, though the poor technically could vote, a variety of limitations existed that de-facto set the system largely in favor of the wealthy [you had to be physically present in the city of Rome to vote – so they could pile in wealthy Roman citizens from all over, but only those poor who actually lived in Rome voted; the wealthy had something like 12 tribas, whereas the poor had 4, and so forth]. Yet none of this prevented the Roman Republic from failing.

Most importantly, the purpose of government is not solely to secure property. It is to secure the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Property is but a part of these.

But that is a moral stance, and it is of course impractical.

On a more practical reason, we need to remember that the socialists strive, politically, by creating groups of self-identification. The proletariat is not inherently anti-capitalist. It is when the proletariat (or the lumpen-proletariat) is persuaded that it should self-identify as a class, and that its interests are contrary to those of the capitalists, that it becomes anti-capitalist.

A very socialist professor of mine once remarked that the "problem" (I naturally view it as an advantage) of American culture is that workers in America don't identify themselves as 'proletariat' but as potential capitalists. As such – he claimed – they are less willing than Europeans to tolerate anti-capitalist measures, because they believe they might end up as capitalists tomorrow. You may remember Joe Wurzelbacher's [sp?] question for Obama as an example of this phenomenon.

I agree with ALL of your post, thought I shan't quote it all.

Let's address the resulting problem.

How do we convince the poor and the lower middle class that the Democrats are the party of economic enslavement and the Republicans are (or at least should be) the party of opportunity?

It's been done before...some guy named Reagan ran on that, maybe you've heard of him.

Bush ran on it, but didn't do much.

Then there was McCain, who was pushing cap & trade for the longest time before the issue was allowed to die quietly and slide off his platform.

That brings us to the next question...who is the candidate most likely to run on a strong economic liberty platform in 2012? Palin? Doubt it (though I do like the woman). Huckabee? No. Romney? Possibly, but I need more straight talk from him and less politicking. Ron Paul? NO!! HE'S UNELECTABLE!! HE'S PARANOID AND BELIEVE IN THE NWO AND BLACK HELICOPTERS AND HE WANTS TO AUDIT THE FED!!!1111 TOOOO RADICAL!!!!!11

He's also probably the biggest proponent of Liberty in Congress. 2012: Ron Paul, Warts and All...
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #153 on: July 29, 2009, 10:12:44 AM »
Look. I love Ron PAul as much as the other guy but it is quite clear he's too old, and his campaign staff too inept, to run successfully in 2012. Now, if we only had a younger Ron Paul, I'd go for it.

Or say, some Ron-Pauloid candidates planning to run for the 2010 Congessional elections...
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #154 on: July 29, 2009, 11:20:24 AM »
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And this, ladies and gentlemen, is how we should act if we are to defeat socialism. If we believe that certain classes of people, or races of people, or groups of people, are inherently anti-capitalist or anti-freedom, and forfeiting these groups to the socialist foe, we let the socialist win.

Instead of vacillating about how poor people [or minorities] should not vote, the proper thing to do is come up with ways to remind poor people that overregulation harms them by driving up prices on goods and closing off entry into the market (and dozens of other ways). [There is an excellent book out there by Thomas Sowell, for instance, describing how market regulation harms poor Afrcan-Americans].

Your clever strategem will work equally "well" with the monarchists.  Good luck.  I don't, personally, have five lifetimes to wait for another possible Enlightenment to strike once we settle into a greenly comfortable but heavily policed feudalism.  I think you have way too much faith in ordinary human nature; people love liberty, yes, but it wasn't really "the people" who developed the idea and promoted it and fought for it on the field of battle.

Reaganism is a wonderful thing, but it wil have a hard time today competing with Obamaism and Oprahism.  Not only is the culture changed, the population and especially the voting population are too.  Perhaps you haven't noticed who swings elections these days?

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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #155 on: July 29, 2009, 11:28:14 AM »
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A 17-year-old young man can be a socialist, or he can be a libertarian.

A worker can see himself as an oppressed proletarian or as a potential capitalist.

The work is not to prevent him from voting, the work is to persuade him that our version of self-identification is one that fits him best.

If Democrats were capable of persuading certain social groups that they were their "natural" constituency, we can do it right back.

While Tom Sowell is one of my favorite guys he has not discovered the answer to 96 per cent of black voters, with their own self-interest supposedly at stake, voting for BHO mainly because he was black.  For many people voting has litle or nothing to do with a rational assessment of their situation, whether political, social, economic, or moral.  "The man in the street" surveys should have made that abundantly clear already.

The 17-year-old young man you posit doesn't have to be a libertarian or a socialist.  He can be what he usually has been in the past: a tribalist.  And a gangster capitalist.

 
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Now He's Allegedly Committing Fraud
« Reply #156 on: July 29, 2009, 03:36:55 PM »
BHO allegedly uses Soc.Sec.# 042-68-xxxx of CT man born in 1890; WHY? Uses DOZENS!


We have previously posted this information but it is below the radar of all of the mainstream news media. Obama has allegedly been fraudulently using Social Security Numbers of deceased persons as his own as well scores of addresses throughout the U.S. He has allegedly used dozens of Social Security Numbers and Obama's Aunt Zeituni, illegally living in Boston, allegedly may have used one of Obama's numbers. His most frequently used Soc.Sec.# is 042-68-xxxx, originally issued to a Connecticut man born in 1890! Why? Social Security FRAUD is an issue that everyone can understand. We challenge the Mainstream Media to investigate this, and if the allegations are true, Obama should be IMPEACHED and indicted for Social Security FRAUD, identity theft, lying on official forms, etc. Thanks to mainstream media's studious non-interest in Obama's background, he is the most under-investigated President in U.S. history. Barry, We Hardly Knew Ye!

Here is a letter from Neil Sankey, a registered Calif. Private Eye and former Scotland Yard Dectective, to attorney Orly Taitz regarding research he did into the numerous Social Security numbers allegedly used by Barack Obama. His most frequently used Soc. Sec. number is 042-68-xxxx, (the first three digits ("042") indicate that it is a number issued to residents of Connecticut, a State in which Obama apparently was never a resident. The man to whom the number was originally issued was born in 1890. (See first entry below). Interestingly, none of these numbers was purportedly issued to a person residing in Hawaii. A compilation of the complete data has been filed as an Exhibit to the lawsuit filed by Major Stefan Cook v. Obama alleging Obama's Constitutional ineligibility to serve as President. Here is a link from Orly Taitz' website. Scroll down the page: http://www.orlytaitzesq.com/blog1/?tag=taitz . This raises lots of additional issues such as his use of aliases, such as Barry Soetoro, and the different variations of his name (below) which apparently he somehow failed to mention to the State Bar of Illinois as one of his other names.


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I'm at a loss as to what to think or say about this. This seems unimaginable!!!
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #157 on: July 29, 2009, 03:53:09 PM »
Interesting... from Thor's link:


Name - OBAMA, BARACK H
Gender - Male
Street Address - 5429 S HARPER AVE APT 1N
City, State, Zip - CHICAGO IL 60615-5548
Probable Current Address - No
Telephone -
Telephone Accountholder -
Social Security - 042-68-xxxx
Age - 47
Date of Birth - Aug 04, 1961
Deceased - No
Date Record Verified - Oct 86



Name - OBAMA, BARACK
Street Address - 713 HART SENATE
City, State, Zip - WASHINGTON DC 20510-0001
Probable Current Address - No
Telephone -
Telephone Accountholder -
Social Security - 282-80-xxxx
Age -
Date of Birth -
Deceased - No
Date Record Verified - Apr 08 - Nov 08

(this one COULD be a totally different Barack Obama, but c'mon...)
Name - OBAMA, BARACK
Street Address - 10131 53RD ST E
City, State, Zip - CHICAGO IL 60615
Probable Current Address - No
Telephone - 773-363-1996 - CST
Telephone Accountholder -
Social Security - 364-03-xxxx
Age -
Date of Birth -
Deceased - No
Date Record Verified - Mar 03 - Jul 03


(Dear Aunt Zaituni's place)
Name - OBAMA, BARACK HUSSEIN
Gender - Male
Street Address - 365 BROADWAY APT B1
City, State, Zip - SOMERVILLE MA 02145-2440
Probable Current Address - No
Telephone -
Telephone Accountholder -
Social Security - 042-68-xxxx
Age - 119
Date of Birth - 1890
Deceased - No
Date Record Verified -
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« Reply #158 on: July 29, 2009, 03:56:51 PM »
Name - OBAMA, BARACK
Street Address - 10131/2 53RD ST E
City, State, Zip - CHICAGO IL 60615
Probable Current Address - No
Telephone - 773-363-1996 - CST
Telephone Accountholder -
Social Security - 364-03-xxxx
Age -
Date of Birth -
Deceased - No
Date Record Verified - Mar 03 - Jul 03
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Name - OBAMA, BARACK
Gender - Male
Street Address - 5046 S GREENWOOD AVE
City, State, Zip - CHICAGO IL 60615-2806
Probable Current Address - Yes
Telephone -
Telephone Accountholder -
Social Security - 042-68-xxxx
Age -
Date of Birth -
Deceased - No
Date Record Verified - Jun 05 - Nov 05


More than 1 Barack Obama in the same zip code?

This is fun data, if at all true... =D
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« Reply #159 on: July 29, 2009, 04:05:18 PM »
I can't imagine that there could be more than a handful of Barack Obamas in the US. I know a few recently born children have been named after him, especially since the election. It'd be interesting to know all of their ages/ dates of birth.
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Now He's Allegedly Committing Fraud
« Reply #160 on: July 29, 2009, 04:05:51 PM »
I'm at a loss as to what to think or say about this. This seems unimaginable!!!
Much as I detest Obama, much as I would like to see him nailed for something like this . . . I'd be VERY reluctant to accept this as fact unless there was a LOT of confirmation.

(Now, if I were the kind who wears tinfoil hats, I'd say it could even be a phony story deliberately floated by some college Obamunist majoring in general studies who's trying to sucker in people who don't worship The One, hoping they'll run with the story and be discredited when it's proven false. Phony stories of underhanded shennanigans can "innoculate" against REAL stuff that may come out later.)

There's PLENTY of legitimate material to criticize BHO over - let's not get into questionable stuff.

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At least one address on AZRedhawk44's post ("Street Address - 10131 53RD ST E") looks unusual for Chicago; typically, it would be written "10131 E 53RD ST" . . . I don't have a map with me, but the number 10131 seems awfully high, too . . . I'd expect something numbered that high east to be out in Lake Michigan somewhere.

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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Now He's Allegedly Committing Fraud
« Reply #161 on: July 29, 2009, 04:26:14 PM »


At least one address on AZRedhawk44's post ("Street Address - 10131 53RD ST E") looks unusual for Chicago; typically, it would be written "10131 E 53RD ST" . . . I don't have a map with me, but the number 10131 seems awfully high, too . . . I'd expect something numbered that high east to be out in Lake Michigan somewhere.



Yep.  10131 does not exist.  1031 appears to be about 1 mile from the waterfront to the east.

The Greenwood address is valid, and only a couple blocks away from 1031.  I wonder if 10131 is a typo?  I also see a mention to 10131/2, so it could be 1013 1/2 (1013 and a half, 1013.5) as in a small tiny little sublet apartment).

Another theory running around is these addresses were used to launder campaign contributions.  Remember the anonymous $199 credit card contributions?

1013 E. 53rd St. is Ellis Currency Exchange.  They could have a back room office with an address of 1013 1/2.
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #162 on: July 29, 2009, 04:41:09 PM »
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At least one address on AZRedhawk44's post ("Street Address - 10131 53RD ST E") looks unusual for Chicago; typically, it would be written "10131 E 53RD ST" . . . I don't have a map with me, but the number 10131 seems awfully high, too . . . I'd expect something numbered that high east to be out in Lake Michigan somewhere.

Hank, if you are looking for Barack's old condo, before he bought the house where he is now, he was in Chicago off 54th Street.  It would be a four digit South East View Park address (Chicago 60615).
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #163 on: July 29, 2009, 04:56:09 PM »
ROTF
And you guys called the truthers crazy . . .  at least they had circumstantial evidence.
Forget about the birth certificate , We will not rest until Obama show's the entire country his social security card!
All based on internet postings that anyone could have typed. . . .

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« Reply #164 on: July 29, 2009, 05:41:48 PM »
ROTF
And you guys called the truthers crazy . . .  at least they had circumstantial evidence.
Forget about the birth certificate , We will not rest until Obama show's the entire country his social security card!
All based on internet postings that anyone could have typed. . . .

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« Reply #167 on: July 30, 2009, 08:26:17 AM »
Comment #1 on the blog site for the win....
Can we say the note is a fake, but the story is true?  :laugh:
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #168 on: July 30, 2009, 11:13:25 AM »
I'd be interested in knowing just how many "Barack Obamas" are here in the US. Sure the note could be a con-job. There's enough anti- Obama sentiment out there. I'd also like to know the ages/dates of birth of these different Obamas. It just doesn't seem like all that common of a name. However, like the birth certificate issue, this will never come to a head.
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« Reply #169 on: July 30, 2009, 11:16:12 AM »
I'd be interested in knowing just how many "Barack Obamas" are here in the US. Sure the note could be a con-job. There's enough anti- Obama sentiment out there. I'd also like to know the ages/dates of birth of these different Obamas. It just doesn't seem like all that common of a name. However, like the birth certificate issue, this will never come to a head.

Is it a conspiracy against the American people by all the Barack Obamas in the US? =D

I think we need Barack Obama detention camps.  Just until we're sure.
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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #170 on: July 30, 2009, 12:27:47 PM »
Obama: not a name but a brand.

Or is it a genotype?
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« Reply #171 on: July 30, 2009, 12:53:48 PM »
more like an infection :O as in did that obama you caught from that ho clear up yet haha :angel:

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Re: MORE on Obama's Birth Certificate; Case to be Heard on Merits
« Reply #172 on: July 30, 2009, 02:08:56 PM »
I did a people search on whitepages.com and it only turned up TWO "Barack Obamas"   Barack Obama and eight Barack, Barrack, Borack or Brack Obamas and then a total of 41 "Obamas" Obama I will admit that there were some blatantly fraudulent entries (3 or 4, maybe more) This was a nationwide search. No entries for "Soetoro".
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« Reply #174 on: July 30, 2009, 02:44:35 PM »
Presented without comment:

http://howmanyofme.com/people/Barack_Obama/

Don't know what DB's they're pulling from but seems like they should show more if there were a bunch of fraudulent SS entries.

Unless of course certain DB's have been "cleaned up." This is Soros we're dealing with after all.
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