Geraldo weighs in

[MechAg94]

Assuming objectivity is a goal presumes facts not in evidence


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[De Selby]

There aren't many activists on this one.  Maybe you?   

There arent many?  Are you seriously saying that in a thread about Geraldo?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Are you positing geraldo as a pro cop activist?


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[De Selby]

Are you positing geraldo as a pro cop activist?


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the activists I was referring to are those who organised around the Ferguson case.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Ahhh yes ferguson. The last narrative that did not play out the way some folks had planned. 0 for 2 with trayvon
The hat trick may loom


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[De Selby]

Ahhh yes ferguson. The last narrative that did not play out the way some folks had planned. 0 for 2 with trayvon
The hat trick may loom


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The comparisons are ill considered.  This is a completely different shooting as it's entirely on video.  

It's also important to note that there is a difference between a shooting that is never charged and one that goes to a jury.  The trayvon folks were right that a charge would proceed - it did, and luckily for Zimmerman with an incompetent prosecution.

There's an actual murder charge laid now.  There's basically zero chance it will be resolved any other way than with a finding of guilty/not guilty.  There's not going to be an administrative determination of determination of law that saves the shooter.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Bit in the middle is missing. I know you want to believe it does not count. Good luck with that


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[De Selby]

Bit in the middle is missing. I know you want to believe it does not count. Good luck with that


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Those "analyses" of the video are the right's version of the patriarchal/white conspiracy types.

There should just be an app that automatically posts "officer safety!" Over and over.  It would be as much use to the defense as anything else in this case.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

These are the same folks that dug out the audio of an a an actual witness debunking hands up
Their track record is better than yours


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[De Selby]

These are the same folks that dug out the audio of an a an actual witness debunking hands up
Their track record is better than yours


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Okay, let's try stepping away from the person and consider the logic here:

Given:

1. The Ferguson shooting audio didn't match a witness account
2. George Zimmerman was acquitted of murder
3. A conservative blog commented on both
4. I predicted Zimmerman would go on trial (possibly for 2nd degree, although I called that a stretch) and be convicted

Therefore:  conservative blog's analysis of the SC video is right.

Please tell me where I have aired in that summary.  I shouldn't have to point out that no method logic could possibly draw the conclusion from the premises there.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

You erred in your pronouncements in both cases. Profoundly so. And the hat trick is in sight


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[roo_ster]

Well, supposing the fellow that got shot got and used the taser on Officer Shootemup, that makes it a mite hairier and less clear cut than I thought in the previous thread.

Coming as a result of a Gerry Rivers commentary stings a bit.

[De Selby]

You erred in your pronouncements in both cases. Profoundly so. And the hat trick is in sight


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Uh, sorry, what was my pronouncement on brown?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I stand corrected you were on sabbatical for brown


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[De Selby]

I stand corrected you were on sabbatical for brown


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I was far from on sabbatical but I was still practicing law.

[Hawkmoon]

Well, supposing the fellow that got shot got and used the taser on Officer Shootemup, that makes it a mite hairier and less clear cut than I thought in the previous thread.

Coming as a result of a Gerry Rivers commentary stings a bit.

I don't know how it changes anything. The victim was still running away and posed no threat to the officer or to anyone else in the vicinity when he was shot -- in the back.

[MechAg94]

I don't know how it changes anything. The victim was still running away and posed no threat to the officer or to anyone else in the vicinity when he was shot -- in the back.

And that is the question.  How do the events leading up to that affect the consequences of what happened after?  This may turn quite a bit on the lawyer arguments and presentation. 

I think he will likely get found guilty of something unless there is even more evidence we haven't seen.  The link CS&D posted makes me think it won't be first degree murder. 

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

I am waiting for a reduced plea. I think this kinda case generates a lot of fear

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

The comparisons are ill considered.  This is a completely different shooting as it's entirely on video.

Yeah, except it's NOT entirely on video.  The altercation took place over 2 minutes and some 200 or 300 yards, and very little of it is actually caught on video.  

I don't know how it changes anything. The victim was still running away and posed no threat to the officer or to anyone else in the vicinity when he was shot -- in the back.

Based on the frame clock on the video, the two go from struggling to breaking contact, Scott turning and sprinting while Slager draws, aims, and starts firing, all in under 2 seconds.  2 Seconds ain't a lot of time to react.  From break to the final shot fired is about 4 seconds, which still ain't a lot of time.

Do you honestly think you could react better, under stress, immediately after a fight, under those time constraints?  I'd like to think that I would, but I'm honest enough to admit I can't be sure.

Hell, I struggle to reliably draw, aim and fire in 1 second under relaxed and controlled circumstances.  Add stress, fear, fighting, adrenalin, decision making, having just sprinted 200 yards, possibly having just been tasered by my own taser...  No way I could say I'd perform any better.

Also, let's be clear about what the video shows and doesn't show.  For instance, it does not show who else might have been in the vicinity, nor who else might have been at risk.

[charby]

He found it in Al Capone's vault.

I remember that TV special.

[Scout26]

None of that matters.  Police should be trained on "Shoot, Don't Shoot"  (The old Hogan's Alley trainer).  It's fundamental police training.  Both as part of the Academy and periodic refresher.

It would be the same as if you shot the guy in your front yard that just tried to break-in to your home and he was running away.

No longer a threat.  The possibility that he might latter hurt someone is not a factor.  Can he hurt someone now?   That is the question.


(And with another officer coming around to head him off at the pass, that makes that a hard one to convince a jury.)

[Battle Monkey of Zardoz]

He's toast. And he should be. This is the way it should be. No more free passes because you are a cop. You screw up, you get charged and a jury will decide.  This will happen more often, as it should.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-reserve-deputy-73-charged-degree-manslaughter-stun/story?id=30277587

[Angel Eyes]

He's toast. And he should be. This is the way it should be. No more free passes because you are a cop. You screw up, you get charged and a jury will decide. It's will happen more often, as it should.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-reserve-deputy-73-charged-degree-manslaughter-stun/story?id=30277587

Has similarities to the Oscar Grant shooting in California (cop mistook his sidearm for a Taser): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant#Sentencing

It might be a good idea to design Tasers, stun guns, and similar devices with a look and feel distinctly different from a firearm.

[roo_ster]

He's toast. And he should be. This is the way it should be. No more free passes because you are a cop. You screw up, you get charged and a jury will decide.  This will happen more often, as it should.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/oklahoma-reserve-deputy-73-charged-degree-manslaughter-stun/story?id=30277587

I approve of LEOs getting the same treatment as non-LEO citizens.

[Perd Hapley]

Has similarities to the Oscar Grant shooting in California (cop mistook his sidearm for a Taser): http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BART_Police_shooting_of_Oscar_Grant#Sentencing

It might be a good idea to design Tasers, stun guns, and similar devices with a look and feel distinctly different from a firearm.

As far as looks, I thought they already were. In terms of feel, what else is there?