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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #50 on: May 02, 2011, 02:05:01 AM »
No, that's the old law text, now it's like AK, VT, AZ. :)

Here:

http://data.opi.mt.gov/bills/2011/billhtml/HB0271.htm



Also, no, it's perfectly legal to grant rights to state residents while not granting the same rights to visitors. ;)
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #51 on: May 02, 2011, 06:15:01 PM »
What's the news on the Governor?

Looking good for a signature?
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #52 on: May 02, 2011, 09:04:59 PM »
As far as any of us knows it will be signed.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #53 on: May 02, 2011, 09:10:10 PM »
Quote from: 41magsnub on May 02, 2011, 09:04:59 PM
As far as any of us knows it will be signed.

The sooner, the better, though  ;)
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #54 on: May 05, 2011, 09:49:39 AM »
Come on Schweitzer....
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #55 on: May 05, 2011, 10:43:18 AM »
I sent him a short sweet email urging him to sign HB 271.

I was hoping before the next time I go to town...
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #56 on: May 06, 2011, 12:22:38 AM »
Quote from: Tallpine on May 05, 2011, 10:43:18 AM
I sent him a short sweet email urging him to sign HB 271.

I was hoping before the next time I go to town...

Don't bring your guns to town son.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #57 on: May 06, 2011, 12:26:39 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Carberry on May 06, 2011, 12:22:38 AM
Don't bring your guns to town son.

Actually, I will anyway.  :P

It's just a matter of whether I can let the hem of my vest flop over the grip of my sidearm, in order not to alarm some of the townies and discourage the wrong hands in a crowd.

Amazing that so much fuss would have to be made over three inches of fabric  =(
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #58 on: May 06, 2011, 01:29:29 PM »
No kidding. :(
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #59 on: May 06, 2011, 01:36:46 PM »
The only reason 3 inches of fabric should matter is if mini-skirts or tank tops are involved.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #60 on: May 06, 2011, 02:30:12 PM »
He has until the 12th to sign or veto the bill before it goes into law without his action.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #61 on: May 06, 2011, 02:31:38 PM »
What's the date of enactment or whatever?  When does it go into effect?
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #62 on: May 06, 2011, 02:52:12 PM »
I think upon signature but I'm not 100% sure.  The bill does not specify so I believe in those circumstances it is immediate.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #63 on: May 06, 2011, 03:34:42 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Carberry on May 06, 2011, 01:36:46 PM
The only reason 3 inches of fabric should matter is if mini-skirts or tank tops are involved.

In that case, "partially concealed" takes on a whole new meaning  :lol:
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #64 on: May 06, 2011, 03:51:45 PM »
Quote from: Matthew Carberry on May 06, 2011, 02:31:38 PM
What's the date of enactment or whatever?  When does it go into effect?

Because there is no enactment date on the bill, it will simply go into effect the moment it's signed, or if our governor ignores it, on the morning of the 13th it goes into effect. I sincerely doubt it'll get vetoed, as Schweitzer is quite gun friendly. :)
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #65 on: May 09, 2011, 07:53:06 PM »
He's seems to be too busy mucking around with the budget right now to sign anything else  ;/
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #66 on: May 10, 2011, 12:32:44 AM »
Fine by me. 5/12, and it's ours. I can wait until Thursday.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #67 on: May 10, 2011, 01:24:59 AM »
Two con carry this year, maybe Wisconsin but at least they go shall and Texas might get campus carry?

Looking like a good summer so far.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #68 on: May 11, 2011, 09:37:27 AM »
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #69 on: May 11, 2011, 09:47:59 AM »
I think some of my brain cells committed suicide reading that.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #70 on: May 11, 2011, 09:53:54 AM »
Son of a....

I honestly did not expect this based on his earlier general statements. [barf]
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #71 on: May 11, 2011, 10:04:00 AM »
Nor me. His worry about reciprocity and NICS are incorrect, as well.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #72 on: May 11, 2011, 10:31:40 AM »
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Nor me. His worry about reciprocity and NICS are incorrect, as well.

This..  271 would not have affected either of those in the slightest.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #73 on: May 11, 2011, 10:33:47 AM »
...which leads me to believe he didn't read it after the revisions, before vetoing it.
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Re: Montana Carry update, straight from the horse's mouth
« Reply #74 on: May 11, 2011, 10:42:45 AM »
GOD DAMN SON OF A BITCH !   :mad:
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