Any Guesses on the 19 Executive Actions? What we should be most worried about?

[Fitz]

Valid concerns, but statism?

[AJ Dual]

With that particular one, I would be most worried that the plans would be full of PC and/or just plain ineffective strategies.  And since implemeting "guidelines" from the government is often tied to funding, everyone could be using substandard plans.  Moreover, I would have OPSEC cocerns, as a prescribed standardized plan/training for all public schools and first reponders could potentially make it easier for the really bad guys to stage an attack.  

From a Belslan style super massacre, yes, I agree.

However, from the disgruntled/crazy spree shooter POV, just the deterrent effect that all the kids will be locked up, and more "resource officers" etc. might actually work to a degree.

However, simply eliminating GFSZ's and allowing anyone with a valid CCW, (and making it impossible for the schools to prohibit it for employees or parents by policy) would probably work better, witness how many theaters the Aurora shooter passed up to find the posted one.

[red headed stranger]

6. "Publish a letter from ATF to federally licensed gun dealers providing guidance on how to run background checks for private sellers."
Definitely legal, as stated. Writing a newsletter, or handout.

I'd be interested to see where this is going.  Are they going to try to "encourage" 4473 forms for private sales, or is this just a piece of the "close the gunshow loophole" puzzle.  

[T.O.M.]

With that particular one, I would be most worried that the plans would be full of PC and/or just plain ineffective strategies.  And since implemeting "guidelines" from the government is often tied to funding, everyone could be using substandard plans.  Moreover, I would have OPSEC cocerns, as a prescribed standardized plan/training for all public schools and first reponders could potentially make it easier for the really bad guys to stage an attack.  

Really good point on OPSEC.  Don't want the bad guys to know the response and plan for it...

[lee n. field]

So basically, a lot of fluff with a couple things that can be fought in the normal political way of things?

Phew.

or arguably doesn't need to be.

[T.O.M.]

I know we see it as fluff piece with no real substance...anyone seeing a similar response from the media?

[red headed stranger]

Valid concerns, but statism?

I believe it is probably a relatively benign statism.  However, if the guidelines end up being something that is specifically really bad, it would be less benign.  

From a Belslan style super massacre, yes, I agree.

However, from the disgruntled/crazy spree shooter POV, just the deterrent effect that all the kids will be locked up, and more "resource officers" etc. might actually work to a degree.

However, simply eliminating GFSZ's and allowing anyone with a valid CCW, (and making it impossible for the schools to prohibit it for employees or parents by policy) would probably work better, witness how many theaters the Aurora shooter passed up to find the posted one.

Agreed. I think we will be seing some movement at the state level to deal with the GFSZ issue.  Since states have some leeway in how they deal with the the GFSZ, I won't be surprised if we see a couple states loosen their restrictions.  

[BlueStarLizzard]

or arguably doesn't need to be.

I would say that the numorous reference to health care and phsyc evaluation, and any legeslation stemming from them, need to be watched closely.

[lee n. field]

I would say that the numorous reference to health care and phsyc evaluation, and any legeslation stemming from them, need to be watched closely.

Absolutely. 

[Harold Tuttle]

[Blakenzy]

I would be very careful about what information I volunteered in a health care setting from now on. There is a lot of nonspecific wording relating to healthcare services in there that I cannot quite make out the meaning of... it can't be good for privacy or freedom.

I am surprised that there was no mention of "assault weapons" or magazines in the text, because in the speech he made quite a show of those topics. Maybe I should re-read the list...

[makattak]

You know, I was going to try to change the quotes from Pulp Fiction about "You sending the wolf?" to "You sending Plugs?"... but there is absolutely no way to clean up the rest of that quote.

Soooo.... yeah, "You sending Plugs!?"

[Tallpine]

Gotta say, a few of the points, I wonder why he needs to order them now, and why they haven't already been done...

I'm not saying that I agree with his approach, but isn't Obama admitting that, given his long term stated view on guns, he has basically not been doing his job for the past four years 

Forget the guns.  Let's blame His Highness for the Massacre of the Children     

[Boomhauer]

I think this proves him a Paper Tiger at least with EOs. Battle aint over yet but he didnt do nearly as much damage as we expected

[HankB]

. . .  14. "Issue a presidential memorandum directing the Centers for Disease Control to research the causes and prevention of gun violence." Legal, but stupid.

Issuing a memorandum is probably legal, but the CDC acting on it may not be. IIRC, the CDC's anti-gun "study" was forbidden and explicitly defunded by Congress some years ago; if that's the case (my memory may be incomplete as to details) then they'd be in violation of the law if they put any taxpayer-funded resources to work on this.

[Angel Eyes]

9. "Issue a presidential Memorandum to require federal law enforcement to trace guns recovered in criminal investigations."

Especially when they're traced back to Fast & Furious.

[Ben]

I think this proves him a Paper Tiger at least with EOs. Battle aint over yet but he didnt do nearly as much damage as we expected

I think a few of the EOs (especially guns as health issues) could cause trouble down the road depending how they are used or abused, but mostly I think these are either innocuous or not much different than what gun owners have been saying for years - uphold the laws already on the books.

I'm not sure if the average antis see these as "paper tigers" or, not knowing much about gun laws, think this is a huge win for them. I am hoping for the latter and plan on, when getting schooled by my liberal coworkers and acquaintances,  saying, "Yup, dammit - you guys really stuck it to us with these. Damn severe, hope you're happy".

[red headed stranger]

I'm not sure if the average antis see these as "paper tigers" or, not knowing much about gun laws, think this is a huge win for them. I am hoping for the latter and plan on, when getting schooled by my liberal coworkers and acquaintances,  saying, "Yup, dammit - you guys really stuck it to us with these. Damn severe, hope you're happy".

I was thinking similarly.  Out there on the internet (which I know should be taken with more than a grain of salt) lots of of the antis are whooping it up and saying things like "ha ha! we've got the NRA on the ropes. Look at thier new ad! It's obvious that they are scared and desperate!"   

A lot of the Obama faithful think this was a huge win.  I'm glad to let them think that.  I will keep pressure on my reps in any way that I can, and hope that the NRA and similar organizations are working quietly behind the scenes to stymie any further legislation.  At this juncture, I don't really care about a PR win, a legislative one will suffice for now. 

[Boomhauer]

I was thinking similarly.  Out there on the internet (which I know should be taken with more than a grain of salt) lots of of the antis are whooping it up and saying things like "ha ha! we've got the NRA on the ropes. Look at thier new ad! It's obvious that they are scared and desperate!"   rolleyes

How abouts we let them think that. Oh the noes! EOs that are laws we already comply with! Teh horror!


Now mind you I'm not a favor of restrictions on guns at all, but hey, at least many of these these are laws we already have vs. what we thought was coming from him.

[Balog]

Not what I was expecting. I'm definitely in the "gun control as misdirection" camp now. Obama could've followed in the footsteps of Bush the First and really screwed us by Eo'ing import restrictions. The fact he didn't makes me think he's all hat no cattle on this and just putting on a show.

[RevDisk]

The fact he didn't makes me think he's all hat no cattle on this and just putting on a show.

I can appreciate that.

[280plus]

What an idiot. 

Well, if it makes the antis think they won something, screw it.

[RocketMan]

I expected much worse.  Glad he failed to meet my expectations.

[Tallpine]

not much different than what gun owners have been saying for years - uphold the laws already on the books.

Speak for yourself, Kemo Sabe 

[red headed stranger]

Not what I was expecting. I'm definitely in the "gun control as misdirection" camp now. Obama could've followed in the footsteps of Bush the First and really screwed us by Eo'ing import restrictions. The fact he didn't makes me think he's all hat no cattle on this and just putting on a show.

I wonder if he backed off on import restrictions because doing so might have started a trade war.