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Main Forums => The Roundtable => Topic started by: seeker_two on August 27, 2009, 04:39:04 PM
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxqz_X2EsVA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Evandapurvis%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=35 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fxqz_X2EsVA&eurl=http%3A%2F%2Fwww%2Evandapurvis%2Ecom%2F&feature=player_embedded#t=35)
http://www.590klbj.com/JeffWard/Blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10048506 (http://www.590klbj.com/JeffWard/Blogentry.aspx?BlogEntryID=10048506)
...and, while the deputies are in hot water, the waitress has something to hop about....
http://twinpeaker.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/vanda-purvis-round-rock-gun-photo-waitress-to-pose-in-playboy/ (http://twinpeaker.wordpress.com/2009/08/27/vanda-purvis-round-rock-gun-photo-waitress-to-pose-in-playboy/)
=| ...this world confuzzles me sometimes.... =|
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I never understood why this was a firing offense. Police officers do a thousand things that should get them fired or jailed and get off with a week of paid leave, this guy takes a picture of a waitress and gets fired. I really don't understand the offense here, but maybe my understanding of the situation is incomplete.
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I never understood why this was a firing offense. Police officers do a thousand things that should get them fired or jailed and get off with a week of paid leave, this guy takes a picture of a waitress and gets fired. I really don't understand the offense here, but maybe my understanding of the situation is incomplete.
It involves sexuality AND guns. They had to be destroyed.
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At first I thought that... but ultimately I think it boils down to a non-LEO being handed a LEO issued weapon in public.
Had this happened at the gun range, at the station, in the home of one of the officers or at the woman's home, nothing would have come of it.
Same thing would have probably happened if a LEO handed an issue weapon to his 13 year old son, 35 year old wife or 68 year old uncle's neighbor's ex room-mate, in public.
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They got caught being unprofessional (they're not paid to photograph police bunnies) and unsafe (letting someone handle their duty weapon). I agree that other officers nation wide have done much worse and received less punishment. If we wanted hormonally imbalanced teenagers to be in law enforcement that's who would be hired not adults.
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I bet that had the photograph not reached the media and embarassed the department, nothing would have happened.
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At first I thought that... but ultimately I think it boils down to a non-LEO being handed a LEO issued weapon in public.
not entirely. using your official LE vehicle and you official LE rifle for a photo shoot of a girl in a short skirt and a.... well i hesitate to call that a top, purely for poops and giggles, is not and i repeat IS NOT apprpriate behavior. it doesn't have anything to do with the 'OMG ITS A GUN" factor. its has to do with they are deputies not 13 year old boys and should have a better grasp on proffesionalism.
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I know that law enforcement officers around here routinely do things more serious than this. If I know this, so does the brass.
I concur that this would have gone nowhere if the photos hadn't gone public.
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its has to do with they are deputies not 13 year old boys and should have a better grasp on proffesionalism.
Golly, are YOU ever naive and idealistic. I've encountered an awful lot of police officers during my sojourn on this desolate rock called Earth that would make a 13-year old boy seem positively mature in comparison.
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Surely the issue at hand here is the beers these chaps had consumed whilst in possession of all that stuff? Getting some scantily-clad blonde to pose with the gun and car in public view is bad enough, but doing it while everyone is lagered up and taking photos of it in the car park is very unprofessional at best, IMHO?
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As others here said, I think if the photos had not gone public, this wouldn't have been an issue. But the department was disgraced, so they had to do something. I don't think anyone should have been fired over this, but rather reprimanded or given some time off or some other such thing.
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Forget the cops....I'm in love with that girl!
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I think that the LEO's in question should definitely suffer consequences for this type of action--esp. since it occurred in a public place. Maybe a week's suspension w/o pay or cleaning the drunk tank after their shift for a month...but not termination. That just leaves your sheriff's department three men short.
...at least one good thing came out of this....that poor little waitress won't be exploited for her looks anymore.....
:laugh: :laugh: :laugh:
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not entirely. using your official LE vehicle and you official LE rifle for a photo shoot of a girl in a short skirt and a.... well i hesitate to call that a top, purely for poops and giggles, is not and i repeat IS NOT apprpriate behavior.
I'd rather police officers have beautiful, scantily clad women pose with their duty weapons than some of the unconstitutional behavior they commonly get away with.
Using Tasers on senior citizens offends me far more than a pretty woman does. In fact, I have a hard time being offended by a pretty woman at all.
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I'd rather police officers have beautiful, scantily clad women pose with their duty weapons than some of the unconstitutional behavior they commonly get away with.
Using Tasers on senior citizens offends me far more than a pretty woman does. In fact, I have a hard time being offended by a pretty woman at all.
Amazingly, I agree with Nitrogen.
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Well, he did after all, hand her his AR-15 ASSUALT rifle! :O
There's a rifle vs gun joke in here somewhere but I'm going to leave it alone. :angel:
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Rule #1: don't embarrass your boss. That's usually a firing offense.
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Forget the cops....I'm in love with that girl!
Apparently so was he. :)
I am not seeing this as a firing offense either. Taking a warrant and breaking into the wrong house is a firing offense. Not this.
Of course, if I took a girl into the chemical plant I work at and took scantily clad photos up on top of the cold box 100 feet in the air, I might be fired also. :)
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If I took pictures of strange women, scantily clad, in my "workplace", I'd certainly get fired!
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Golly, are YOU ever naive and idealistic. I've encountered an awful lot of police officers during my sojourn on this desolate rock called Earth that would make a 13-year old boy seem positively mature in comparison.
You get the civil servants you accept. I have friends that are currently in law enforcement and friends that no longer are. The ones that are no longer officers didn't act like professionals in public whether on or off duty. The ones that are still in LE act like professionals in public on and off duty. Go figure. Of course I live in a more rural county and maybe our expectations is a little different.
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Getting drunk and playing with guns (and embarrassing the dept etc) should definitely be a firing offense.
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I'd rather police officers have beautiful, scantily clad women pose with their duty weapons than some of the unconstitutional behavior they commonly get away with.
Using Tasers on senior citizens offends me far more than a pretty woman does. In fact, I have a hard time being offended by a pretty woman at all.
I'm tossing in with Nitrogen. So they took a picture of a nice looking lady in her work uniform with a rifle. ... And? She scratch the paint job on the car or something? As long as they were polite, sober and not acting rudely... So what? Heck, I provided a Stinger surface-to-air missile launcher and an M82A1 for a couple pretty ladies to have their photo taken with. Gods only know what case of the vapors that would cause for some folks.
So taking photos of a pretty lady with a duty weapon is termination offense, for being unprofessional. But being overly enthusiastic about say, asset seizure is not? Some folks have odd priorities.
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If I took pictures of strange women, scantily clad, in my "workplace", I'd certainly get fired!
Up until a couple of years ago, that was part of my job description. ;)
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If I took pictures of strange women, scantily clad, in my "workplace", I'd certainly get fired!
Don't you work at a home office? :D
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Up until a couple of years ago, that was part of my job description.
X-ray tech?
DD
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Getting drunk and playing with guns (and embarrassing the dept etc) should definitely be a firing offense.
Yup.
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... As long as they were polite, sober and not acting rudely... So what?
They weren't sober. That's the problem, IMO. Handling weapons while drunk is no good.
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If I took pictures of strange women, scantily clad, in my "workplace", I'd certainly get fired!
No kidding....you even get mean looks when you take pictures of them in tiny little matador suits.... :laugh:
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So taking photos of a pretty lady with a duty weapon is termination offense, for being unprofessional. But being overly enthusiastic about say, asset seizure is not? Some folks have odd priorities.
I'm just curious who said that? Did somebody say that cops should be fired for naughty photo-shoots, but not be fired for civil rights violations, or did you (and other holier-than-thou guardians of our civil rights) just pull that out of thin air?
I concur that this would have gone nowhere if the photos hadn't gone public.
So if you act unprofessionally, with an assault rifle no less, and it goes public, you will be in more trouble than if you had been more discrete. I'm not sure why some people feel the need to point that out. Seems pretty obvious.
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What's an "assault weapon"?
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They weren't sober. That's the problem, IMO. Handling weapons while drunk is no good.
Whoopsy, missed that part. Yea. Drunken fun with an AR ain't a good idea. If they were on duty, then yep, toss the book.
I'm just curious who said that? Did somebody say that cops should be fired for naughty photo-shoots, but not be fired for civil rights violations, or did you (and other holier-than-thou guardians of our civil rights) just pull that out of thin air?
No one here said it. I've just read it in the local, regional and national papers often enough. Admittedly, I missed the part in the article that said the officers were drunk, but I've seen plenty of cops get a pass on civil right violations (unless the tape couldn't be conveniently erased) but get hammered like a friggin nail for quasi 'morality' stuff. Neither is right.
What's an "assault weapon"?
Anything 'evil' looking. An $80 SKS is an assault rifle if the stock is 1) black, 2) tactical, 3) modded to take an AK mag or 4) a gun control law is going through Congress.
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If I took pictures of strange women, scantily clad, in my "workplace", I'd certainly get fired!
nope bobbitized
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X-ray tech?
DD
No, advertising photographer. Amongst other things, I shot the girlie posters for Snap-On. The girls held wrenches, though, not AR's.
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What's an "assault weapon"?
[Steve Martin]Well ex-CU-U-U-U-USE ME! [/Steve Martin]
You know what I meant.
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Oh, I do. I just think the use of the term was disingenuous. Giving a person a duty AR to hold in a picture is not in any way worse than giving them a duty revolver.
I am not, as you know, a great fan of police officers, but in this case I will have to side with them. They should have gotten... oh, I don't know, a verbal reprimand.
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Giving a person a duty AR to hold in a picture is not in any way worse than giving them a duty revolver.
Your obtuseness in refusing to accept the fact of public perception is most annoying. You can educate the stupid out of people; but until you do, it is a fact to be dealt with.
Folks are touchier about military weaponry than about pistols.
That being said, even if she'd been holding a side-arm, it would still be a problem.
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If I took pictures of strange women, scantily clad, in my "workplace", I'd certainly get fired!
I'd bet that you'd hope to only get fired by Sugar Momma.
Nominated for quote of the year is the statement made by Representative Dick Armey, who when asked if he were in the President's place (after the Monica Lewinsky scandal), would he resign, responded:
"If I were in the President's place I would not get a chance to resign. I would be lying in a pool of my own blood hearing Mrs. Armey, standing over me, saying, 'How do I reload this dang thing?'
=D =D :O :O
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Anyone heard from Lawdog recently ??
:police: :police: :police: :police:
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Any officer handing his firearm to another person in a non-professional manner should be canned. It's not like he was teaching her how to shoot at a range. This was on par with what should happen at a bachelor party, not uniformed officers on a government vehicle.
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Anyone heard from Lawdog recently ??
:police: :police: :police: :police:
Wouldn't he have posted the pics on his blog?
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Your obtuseness in refusing to accept the fact of public perception is most annoying. You can educate the stupid out of people; but until you do, it is a fact to be dealt with.
Au contraire, mon cher souffre-douleur.
It is my whole argument that they were fired to appeal to public perception, though their offense was actually minor in nature.
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Au contraire, mon cher souffre-douleur.
It is my whole argument that they were fired to appeal to public perception, though their offense was actually minor in nature.
For one thing, their offense wasn't minor. For another, public perception is an important part of police work. It doesn't do to have the general public (including both the law-abiding and the criminal elements) perceive the police as incompetent and ineffective buffoons.
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This would not have been a problem had they invited the girl out to a range and taken the pics there.
I am also reasonably sure that were I to invite a random girl to work and sit her in front of my company-issued computer I would be fired.
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Au contraire, mon cher souffre-douleur.
It is my whole argument that they were fired to appeal to public perception, though their offense was actually minor in nature.
The deputies admitted of having about three to five beers each that night.
Drinking and handing duty weapons to civilians isn't really considered to be minor in nature. But thank you for playing.
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But but but.... there was sex involved, it must just be those damn American prudes over reacting!
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Drinking and handing duty weapons to civilians isn't really considered to be minor in nature. But thank you for playing.
If you think drinking and handing duty weapons (not GIVING them away permanently, that'd be prison time-worthy) to 'civilians' is 'major' enough to fire people, I disagree.
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If you think drinking and handing duty weapons (not GIVING them away permanently, that'd be prison time-worthy) to 'civilians' is 'major' enough to fire people, I disagree.
Conduct unbecoming. Acting unprofessional for a little piece of tail. I'd have probably lopped some heads off, too.
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But but but.... there was sex involved, it must just be those damn American prudes over reacting!
There was ALCOHOL! And GUNS! And OH GOD A WOMAN!
I'd that many people overreact when these things are involved. =D =D
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Alright. I'm gonna wade into this one now.... If the officers were on duty at the time the photo was taken (and presumably while they were drinking) then absolutely. Fired. Heck, the company I work for, we're not allowed to drink within 8 hours of the start of our shift. One of those silly little things where if we're dealing with people's lives, we're not supposed to be impaired by alcohol or mind altering substances. I would expect the same standard for police officers.
If they were off-duty at the time, they did show a little bit lot of poor judgement (alcohol, duty weapons, scantily clad waitress, etc), but unless the dept has specific rules regarding off-duty behavior, then in my opinion they shouldn't have been fired.
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I note from the original picture that the AR still had a magazine in it. I cannot tell from the picture if the magazine is loaded and/or if there was a round in the chamber. I am reasonably certain I would not hand my duty weapon over to a stranger with a loaded magazine or a round in the chamber.
PS edited to add: if I look real hard at the original photo, I think I can convince myself that the selector switch is on 'safe'. Good.
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MB:
Over here, employment isn't a right; it's a privilege. And to do things that make your employer look like a bumbling redneck bafoon? Great way to get the axe. Taking pictures of a cute waitress with your issue weapon the back of the squad car after having a few beers shows poor judgement. We're not talking about private pictures on a private vehicle here.
Personally, were I the Sherrif, I'd probably have charged them with misuse of county property or some such other charge.
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Over here, employment isn't a right; it's a privilege.
Have I argued otherwise?
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If they are off duty, why would they still be using county property?
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If they are off duty, why would they still be using county property?
I believe some departments let their officers take their duty weapons and vehicles home.
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I believe some departments let their officers take their duty weapons and vehicles home.
You'd think "don't get drunk and let non-cops play with your guns" would be a pre-req for that sort of program.
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Have I argued otherwise?
Seems like it. You seem to be arguing that doing something wantonly stupid on the job shouldn't jeopardize your continued employment.
You'd think "don't get drunk and let non-cops play with your guns" would be a pre-req for that sort of program.
It may not have been a pre-requirement, but it certainly prove to be a "continue-requirement".
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Have I argued otherwise?
Pretty much. You're saying they shouldn't have been fired (and, only one was fired) for getting drunk and letting a non cop play with their guns, on their squad car.
:rolleyes:
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Conduct unbecoming. Acting unprofessional for a little piece of tail. I'd have probably lopped some heads off, too.
Excuse me....my "pot-kettle" detector is ringing.... :laugh:
Back now....should the LEO's involved have received some type of punishment for this? Absolutely yes. But why should it be a firing offense?
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Is there any profession in which getting drunk and misusing company property, then causing massive embarassment for your organization qon't get you fired? Sheriff's are elected, so this can actually hurt his chances of re-election. Make your boss worried about keeping his job, and you get fired. Seems pretty damn simple to me.