Wash out of Military Enlistment, no guns for you.

[Zardozimo Oprah Bannedalas]

Bogie, I'm pretty sure MEPS level washouts were specifically mentioned.  It is incredibly easy to wash out at MEPS; they are working pretty hard to limit liability these days.

"You can't do a duckwalk, no gun for you!"

[Jamisjockey]

Col Badger is an idiot, with a nominal grasp on the English language to boot.

[MechAg94]

If they want to restrict gun ownership for a particular reason, then state the reasons up front.  Don't tie it to requirements of some of other relatively unrelated organization.  In general, I think that just allows the politicians to dodge the issue and let the military play politics with gun control.

[GigaBuist]

Being too crazy to join the military is a pretty low threshold of crazy, and apparently getting lower all the time. 

I wouldn't put much stock in somebody being called too coo-koo for the military.

Richard Fenyman was turned away from the Army after his draft number got called near the end of WWII.  They thought he was nuts.

Good thing that guy never got his hands on anything dangerous, eh? :)

[Bogie]

So, in a situation where someone is too terminally weird for the military (or fakes being terminally weird...), it's just fine for them to go out and arm up on their own?
 
I'm not talkin' about most of the inhabitants of the Group W bench...
 
I mean, where do you draw the line?
 
Some guy loses it in basic, assaults a DI, whatever, and gets the boot - should he be treated differently than someone who gets a conviction in civilian life?

[Bogie]

Thinking too - what if you get told to go get a psych eval, or you're not gonna go back to school... Or tell you what, the guys at HR are feelin' really nervous about since you shaved your eyebrows in the cafeteria, so go get yourself a checkup from the neck up, and come back after you get your balance and alignment fixed...
 
Washing out of basic for a physical reason - I have no prob with that... But if someone gets selected for exit because the military's shrinks think that he/she is too damn weird, well...

[MechAg94]

You are only too crazy if you are adjudicated mentally incompetent in a court.  I really don't want to make it any easier to declare someone crazy. 

[sanglant]

i just want a .9mm handgun, talk about some cheap reloading.

or. could it be, the ultimate high velocity handgun firing a 2.5 grain HP at 5000+fps!

[Jamisjockey]

You are only too crazy if you are adjudicated mentally incompetent in a court.  I really don't want to make it any easier to declare someone crazy. 

Hell, I'd like to see stricter controls placed on that adjucation, too.  Like an immediate appeals process. 

[MechAg94]

Hell, I'd like to see stricter controls placed on that adjucation, too.  Like an immediate appeals process. 

Yeah, just because no one else knows your best friend Harvey doesn't mean you are crazy.   

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Hell, I'd like to see stricter controls placed on that adjucation, too.  Like an immediate appeals process. 

maybe its different some places but i've found the protections pretty good in va.  its quite hard to get someone "certified" and there is a process for appeal and review

[dm1333]

maybe its different some places but i've found the protections pretty good in va.  its quite hard to get someone "certified" and there is a process for appeal and review

 

So your appeal went well??? 

[tyme]

There exist procedures for dealing with a person, not just military washouts but anyone, who is such a danger to herself or others that she should not be allowed to own a gun.  It's called involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

[sanglant]

i never liked the thought of locking someone up because they "might" hurt someone. buy then i don't like the thought of them hurting someone either. so. once again, 2 to COM, 1 to the head. preferably before they manage to get a shot fired, etc..

[Northwoods]

Thinking too - what if you get told to go get a psych eval, or you're not gonna go back to school... Or tell you what, the guys at HR are feelin' really nervous about since you shaved your eyebrows in the cafeteria, so go get yourself a checkup from the neck up, and come back after you get your balance and alignment fixed...

Think about that for a second.

OK.  

Now think about someone like your ex-spouse/SO being the one in HR/Admissions when they were pissed off about you and about ready to end the marriage/relationship.  

Now think about that person being in a position to demand that you get a psych eval.   Do you REALLY want a failure to comply or failure to have a hard-core libtard head shrinker give you a thumbs-up to go back to work/school to mean that you've lost 2A rights for LIFE?

There exist procedures for dealing with a person, not just military washouts but anyone, who is such a danger to herself or others that she should not be allowed to own a gun.  It's called involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

This.  And only this should cause one to lose 2A rights over your mental health state.

[Northwoods]

Further to my last post.  My sister is a flaming lib and a professor in the Psych department at U Washington.  She is, according to my wife, absolutly convinced that I have Aspergers.  Sis has never said anything to me about it, but was trying to convince my wife that there was something "wrong" with me.  I really don't think that's correct (or at least not that).  But she's the "expert".

Were it possible I have little doubt that she try to find some way to get me forced into a psych eval if not some sort of treatment.  And refusal would be little different that having HR tell me to do the same thing.  Why should I stand to lose my 2A rights on the say so of one person like that?

I fully agree that something should have been done to get Laughner's mental illness documented and treated.  And that such probably should be a 2A disqualifier, at least for some period of time.  But that MUST include due process and opportunity to appeal as otherwise it is far too ripe for abuse. 

[MicroBalrog]

There exist procedures for dealing with a person, not just military washouts but anyone, who is such a danger to herself or others that she should not be allowed to own a gun.  It's called involuntary commitment to a mental institution.

This concept.

Yes, there are going to be people who don't get caught. Not unlike the criminal justice system, using a jury, fair trials, etc. means some murderers walk free.

But such is life.

[Bogie]

What's wrong with Asperger's?
 
(currently learning everything I can about precision machine shop stuff... - it's fun...)
 

[Lee]

Ummm...does Fort Hood or the UTexas tower ring any bells?  How  about Dallas and a book repository? 

I'm sure the Col. just meant that the guy had a long history of being nuts and testing positive for drugs.  That, and he's been through a lot of emotional trauma himself.  I'd give him a pass.

[Northwoods]

What's wrong with Asperger's?
 
(currently learning everything I can about precision machine shop stuff... - it's fun...)
 

Short answer: Nothing, insofar as guns and 2A rights should be concerned.

Long answer: It's part of the Autism Spectrum of disorders.  Usually characterized, in part, by the person having impared ability to relate to and understand other people, especially being able to recognize differences in body language, tone of voice, and other non-verbal cues.

In terms of guns and the ability to be responsible with them, and not going crazy like the guy in Tucson, there's absolutely no connection to Aspergers.  But there's plenty of people like my sister that would gladly use any tool possible to restrict access to guns to as many people as possible regardless of whether it is an appropriate tool or not. 

That I'm pretty sure I don't have it makes little differnece to her.  What I would admit to having though is Nerdbergers (aka The Knack).

[KD5NRH]

Long answer: It's part of the Autism Spectrum of disorders.  Usually characterized, in part, by the person having impared ability to relate to and understand other people, especially being able to recognize differences in body language, tone of voice, and other non-verbal cues.

What do they call it when you pick up on all those cues just fine, but don't give a damn because so few people can pick up on your not-at-all-subtle cues that they should STFU and go away?

[kgbsquirrel]

What do they call it when you pick up on all those cues just fine, but don't give a damn because so few people can pick up on your not-at-all-subtle cues that they should STFU and go away?

Kentucky conservative? 

[Tallpine]

What do they call it when you pick up on all those cues just fine, but don't give a damn because so few people can pick up on your not-at-all-subtle cues that they should STFU and go away?

RCS: Rooster Cogburn Syndrome 

[Leatherneck]

I, for one, won't fault the Colonel: he did after all go to the sound of the guns. He may have disagreeable ideas about gun rights, but I sense he's not much of a Gunny.

TC