What did the President know and when did he know it?

[Sergeant Bob]

I heard heard over the weekend someone say there was an AC130 gun ship in the area ready to go in for support, but was not allowed.  I don't know who said it or how accurate that is.

I heard the same.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Also, I think it would nearly always be wise to err on the side of overreaction when dealing with many of these majority Muslim nations.  The leadership of these nations seem to respect strength more than being nice. 


this^^^  a thousand times!

caligula is quoted as saying "if they are going to hate you add a lil fear to it"

it would make folks more likely to inform on terrorists and less likely to harbor them

[longeyes]

Do you think the people who don't know about Benghazi are the same people that watch debates?

Also, your comment assumes that I am defending Romney's strategy. That would be incorrect.

I wasn't assuming that.  But Romney doesn't need a foreign policy "record" to criticize the events of Benghazi any more than you or I do.  That said Obama's foreign policy experience is, to me, a catalogue of negatives with the one exception of Osama Bin Laden and that one was, well, odd and, for some, suspect.  Obama's "smart diplomacy," carried on under the skirts of Hillary, Susan Rice, and Samantha Power, has proven to be smart only if you are rooting hard for the Muslim Bro'hood and a Pan-Islamic Caliphate.  Perhaps Romney is wise to emphasize by omission, but even if that is politically correct it is morally bankrupt.  "Politics" is what got us here; it won't get us out of here, not even Romney's politics.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/10/has_general_ham_been_fired.html

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/28/general-losing-his-job-over-benghazi/

http://frontpagemag.com/2012/dgreenfield/benghazigate-general-ham-no-order-to-protect-consulate-video/

[zxcvbob]

I sometimes wonder if the ambassador might have done something to piss off Obama and got Uriah'd

Other people are starting to ask the same question (without the biblical reference)
http://www.tigerdroppings.com/rant/display.aspx?p=37144547&pg=3

The word "treason" gets used way too much.  I think this might rise to the constitutional definition.  (if only someone would investigate it)

[voice="Hank Hill"]Does wanting to see Obama go down in history as the first American president to be executed make me a racist?[/voice]

[RoadKingLarry]

Well that was an interesting read. 

[MechAg94]

IMO, Obama is doing more to sink himself with inconsistent responses amid the various leaks.  Also, there really is almost no hard information aside from released emails.  Romney would need to walk a fine line.  I think he is better off letting them hang themselves for now at least. 

[Scout26]

It's not Romney's job to "get" Obama on Benghazi.  The press and Congress have the obligation to investigate and inform the American people.  The former won't do it *cough* Candi Crowley *cough*, and the latter are only beginning (but being in recess for the election makes that job hard, although REP Chaffetz and a few others are asking hard questions by the President is not answering.

We do know that:

1. American forces were not ordered to assist.
2. The NCA was getting a real-time feed of the events.
3. A cover story of protesters and a youtube video was floated out by the Administration and the President himself.
4. Abuse of power in the arrest of a person associated with the aforementioned video.
5. Refusal of the President to answer any questions about Benghazi.

[Unisaw]

Thomas Sowell has a devastating article today about the cover-up.  Without even getting into the "stand down" controversy, he makes clear his opinion that Obama is a con man who is just trying to buy time:

http://townhall.com/columnists/thomassowell/2012/10/30/cooling_out_the_voters

[kgbsquirrel]

Looks like the Washington Times is now repeating the current rumor about General Carter Ham being relieved.

http://times247.com/articles/is-a-general-losing-his-job-over-benghazi

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

and hes retiring

[kgbsquirrel]

and hes retiring

http://www.washingtontimes.com/blog/robbins-report/2012/oct/29/general-center-benghazi-gate-controversy-retiring/

Yes he's retiring. And yet he (the General) still hasn't just come out and said "no, I wasn't fired, I'm leaving on my own volition." It's always been some "source" or "insider" or "representative" from the government who has made different claims. And then there's still the issue that, according to Congressman Chaffetz in speaking with General Ham, the General stated that he was not requested to send in any force. This stands in stark conflict with SecDef Panetta's statement that Ham was part of the decision making to not send anyone into Benghazi.

Rep. Chaffetz talking about his discussion with General Ham


Oh what tangled webs we weave, when we practice to deceive.

[kgbsquirrel]

http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/bing-west-on-the-record/


Obama: "I immediately told the military to do whatever they needed to do to save our people."

Panetta: "Gen. Ham, Gen. Dempsey and myself decided not to do anything."

Dempsey: *no comment made*

Ham: "I received no instruction to send in our people."

Petreaus: "I never told our people to stand down."


When the music finally stops quite a few people are going to be without chairs. 

[RoadKingLarry]

When the music finally stops quite a few people are going to be without chairs. 

In a just world that would probably be true.

[roo_ster]

In a just world that would probably be true.

In our world, they all join Jamie Gorelick at Sallie Mae or Freddie Mac for a couple million dollars per year as a reward for their service to the country the President their party and party leader.

[HankB]

It's clear that the Obama position - aided by the media - is to delay and obfuscate at least until after the election.

Some theories that are being bandied about now . . .

1. We didn't want to send in forces as it would undermine Libyan sovereignty.

2. They hoped the Ambassador would be captured, not killed, so Obama could be a hero and exchange him for some prominent terrorist.

3. We couldn't identify enemies during the attack. (Looks like a trial balloon - all an AC130 needs to know is where OUR people are.)

4. Someone wanted the Ambassador dead.

Here's an interesting quote, coming from John McCain - it seems the gloves are coming off as the story unravels:

"The president is either engaged in a massive cover-up deceiving the American people or he is so grossly incompetent that he is not qualified to be the commander-in-chief of our armed forces,"

[makattak]

Here's an interesting quote, coming from John McCain - it seems the gloves are coming off as the story unravels:

"The president is either engaged in a massive cover-up deceiving the American people or he is so grossly incompetent that he is not qualified to be the commander-in-chief of our armed forces,"

It's a good thing we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.

[ArfinGreebly]

It's a good thing we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.

Irony cat is ironic.

[roo_ster]

It's a good thing we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.

Yeah, I might just vote for him out of pique at the GOP for not selecting Ron Paul Fred Thompson Herman Caine Michele Bachman some other dood as their candidate.

[Perd Hapley]

It's a good thing we have nothing to fear from an Obama presidency.

  I had to look that up. I do NOT remember him saying that.

[ArfinGreebly]

  I had to look that up. I do NOT remember him saying that.

No?  My wife and I yelled at the TeeVee for several minutes.  I would have thought you heard that hollering.

[TommyGunn]

Yeah, I might just vote for him out of pique at the GOP for not selecting Ron Paul Fred Thompson Herman Caine Michele Bachman some other dood as their candidate.

    That would truly be an evil thing to do.

[longeyes]

In our world, they all join Jamie Gorelick at Sallie Mae or Freddie Mac for a couple million dollars per year as a reward for their service to the country the President their party and party leader.

Unfortunately, this is more than likely...

[kgbsquirrel]

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/10/31/exclusive-us-memo-warned-libya-consulate-couldnt-withstand-coordinated-attack/#ixzz2Aw4EFeI3

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/glenn-beck-to-media-outlets-sitting-on-damning-benghazi-emails-release-them-or-be-exposed/


Consider posting some profanity to express my current mental state, but I figure you guys already know what it is in relation to this, so I'll just stick to posting links of updated info.

[kgbsquirrel]

Video of the Benghazi Attack

http://www.examiner.com/article/benghazi-video-of-consulate-attack-surfaces-on-youtube-video

It appears the footage first aired in Al Jazeera television and re-aired on Sky News. However, none of the major television networks in the United States have aired the video.