Union of North America?

[Michigander]

This guy really is a kook.  Or at least he doesn't look things up.

You can purchase these coins in bulk from DC Coin, a company that makes fantasy coins and tokens.

See: http://www.dc-coin.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=8

[roo_ster]

Conspiracy nuts & tinfoil hatters are the social equivalent of a bad, multi-fatality car wreck.

[AntiqueCollector]

spp.gov is a very real site, basically a propaganda site trying to put a NAU in "nice" terms so people will buy into it.

Other little bits of evidence: "Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver's licenses.

"It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell told WND."  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/mostpopular/14003768/detail.html

"WASHINGTON -- The Teamsters Union said it has been told by officials in the Transportation Department's Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration that the first Mexican trucks will be coming across the border on Saturday.

The union said Wednesday it would ask a federal appeals courts to block the Bush administration's plan to begin allowing Mexican trucks to carry cargo anywhere in the United States.

Teamsters leaders said they planned to seek an emergency injunction Wednesday from the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco.


And also consider other things, like the fact that the government has done as little as possible to block illegals from coming across the border."

"Coming soon to U.S.: Mexican customs office

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Posted: June 5, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



Kansas City is planning to allow the Mexican government to open a Mexican customs office in conjunction with the Kansas City SmartPort. This will be the first foreign customs facility allowed to operate on U.S. soil."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50500


NAFTA super corridor:

 http://www.nascocorridor.com/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/140606Highway.htm



These coins may not be real, but the NAU is very real! But hey, it's got to be just a silly conspiracy theory, politicians wouldn't lie or conspire to destroy our Constitution. And they certainly didn't do the same thing in Europe, did they?

[Manedwolf]

I found this "currency" amusing...

[stevelyn]

OK.  I'll bite.  Explain how GWB and the U.S. Congress are beholden to, and prepared to do the will of, the Trilateral Commission.

Who do you think got them to where they are now?

Any politician on the fast track upwards is a member of the Tri-Lats or CFR.

[The Rabbi]

spp.gov is a very real site, basically a propaganda site trying to put a NAU in "nice" terms so people will buy into it.

Other little bits of evidence: "Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver's licenses.

"It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell told WND."  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/mostpopular/14003768/detail.html

"WASHINGTON -- The Teamsters Union said it has been told by officials in the Transportation Department's Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration that the first Mexican trucks will be coming across the border on Saturday.

The union said Wednesday it would ask a federal appeals courts to block the Bush administration's plan to begin allowing Mexican trucks to carry cargo anywhere in the United States.

Teamsters leaders said they planned to seek an emergency injunction Wednesday from the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco.


And also consider other things, like the fact that the government has done as little as possible to block illegals from coming across the border."

"Coming soon to U.S.: Mexican customs office

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: June 5, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



Kansas City is planning to allow the Mexican government to open a Mexican customs office in conjunction with the Kansas City SmartPort. This will be the first foreign customs facility allowed to operate on U.S. soil."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50500


NAFTA super corridor:

 http://www.nascocorridor.com/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/140606Highway.htm



These coins may not be real, but the NAU is very real! But hey, it's got to be just a silly conspiracy theory, politicians wouldn't lie or conspire to destroy our Constitution. And they certainly didn't do the same thing in Europe, did they?

You're freakin' kidding, right?  These things constitute "proof" that there is a secret move to abolish the U.S.?
I'd like some of what you're smoking please.  And make mine a double.

[Paddy]

WND The voice of Hysteria.

No thanks.

[Tuco]

The council of Foreign Relations has been toying with the idea for many years....

Sponsored by the Council on Foreign Relations in association with the Canadian Council of Chief Executives and the Consejo Mexicano de Asuntos Internacionales.

When the leaders of Canada, Mexico, and the United States met in Texas recently they underscored the deep ties and shared principles of the three countries. The Council-sponsored Task Force applauds the announced Security and Prosperity Partnership of North America, but proposes a more ambitious vision of a new community by 2010 and specific recommendations on how to achieve it.

http://www.cfr.org/publication.html?id=8102

No, I haven't but is is on my "Must Read" list

[AntiqueCollector]

spp.gov is a very real site, basically a propaganda site trying to put a NAU in "nice" terms so people will buy into it.

Other little bits of evidence: "Marge Howell, spokeswoman for the North Carolina DMV, affirmed to WND the state was embedding a hologram of North America on the back of its new driver's licenses.

"It's a security element that eventually will be on the back of every driver's license in North America," Howell told WND."  http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=57502

http://www.nbcsandiego.com/mostpopular/14003768/detail.html

"WASHINGTON -- The Teamsters Union said it has been told by officials in the Transportation Department's Federal Motor Carrier Safety Administration that the first Mexican trucks will be coming across the border on Saturday.

The union said Wednesday it would ask a federal appeals courts to block the Bush administration's plan to begin allowing Mexican trucks to carry cargo anywhere in the United States.

Teamsters leaders said they planned to seek an emergency injunction Wednesday from the Ninth Circuit U.S. Court of Appeals in San Francisco.


And also consider other things, like the fact that the government has done as little as possible to block illegals from coming across the border."

"Coming soon to U.S.: Mexican customs office

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Posted: June 5, 2006
1:00 a.m. Eastern



Kansas City is planning to allow the Mexican government to open a Mexican customs office in conjunction with the Kansas City SmartPort. This will be the first foreign customs facility allowed to operate on U.S. soil."

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=50500


NAFTA super corridor:

 http://www.nascocorridor.com/

http://www.prisonplanet.com/articles/june2006/140606Highway.htm



These coins may not be real, but the NAU is very real! But hey, it's got to be just a silly conspiracy theory, politicians wouldn't lie or conspire to destroy our Constitution. And they certainly didn't do the same thing in Europe, did they?

You're freakin' kidding, right?  These things constitute "proof" that there is a secret move to abolish the U.S.?
I'd like some of what you're smoking please.  And make mine a double.

Can you refute any of the facts or not? If all of these facts are true it certainly suggests our leaders are trying to create the next European Union here in North America. And that's exactly what they're doing. The EU started the same way we have, with trade agreements. Ours are NAFTA and CAFTA. Things will slowly progress to being a political union like the EU has become instead of just for trade.

I don't understand why people don't think this is possible when the very same thing has been done in Europe?

[longeyes]

The move to "abolish the U.S." isn't secret.

It doesn't have to be.

The real plan is to swap out the population that cares about such old white guy nonsense as the Founding Fathers and those yucky yellowing pieces of paper called the Declaration of Independence and Constitution for newer, fresher, more bright-eyed faces.

The faces of consumers.  Because this is going to be the United States of Consumers and whoever heard of boundaries and sovereignty when it came to Buying Stuff, senor.

The Benetton United Colors school system will take care of the rest, dumbing down the ones that can't be replaced and making sure they shut up.

For the people pulling the strings it was always and will always be about money.

[The Rabbi]

Can you refute any of the facts or not? If all of these facts are true it certainly suggests our leaders are trying to create the next European Union here in North America. And that's exactly what they're doing. The EU started the same way we have, with trade agreements. Ours are NAFTA and CAFTA. Things will slowly progress to being a political union like the EU has become instead of just for trade.

I don't understand why people don't think this is possible when the very same thing has been done in Europe?

If every fact quoted was true it still doesn't amount to a hill of beans, except for the tin foil hat crowd, who would see Bush's bathroom habits as proof.

Oh, and please note that Ronald Reagan proposed a N.American union in his speech announcing his candidacy in 1978.  But I guess he was anti-American too.

[AntiqueCollector]

Can you refute any of the facts or not? If all of these facts are true it certainly suggests our leaders are trying to create the next European Union here in North America. And that's exactly what they're doing. The EU started the same way we have, with trade agreements. Ours are NAFTA and CAFTA. Things will slowly progress to being a political union like the EU has become instead of just for trade.

I don't understand why people don't think this is possible when the very same thing has been done in Europe?

If every fact quoted was true it still doesn't amount to a hill of beans, except for the tin foil hat crowd, who would see Bush's bathroom habits as proof.

Oh, and please note that Ronald Reagan proposed a N.American union in his speech announcing his candidacy in 1978.  But I guess he was anti-American too.

So, all the NAFTA and CAFTA stuff, the CFR and Trilateral Commission, spp.gov promoting this, the history of the EU, etc., all mean nothing?

And Reagan signed the 86 MG ban, and was as much a globalist traitor as Carter before him and Bush after him in my opinion.

[The Rabbi]

Could you explain to me how the history of the EU means anything to what goes on here?
Preferably without relying on innuendoes and unproven assertions.

[AntiqueCollector]

Could you explain to me how the history of the EU means anything to what goes on here?
Preferably without relying on innuendoes and unproven assertions.

Because it started like the NAU is starting. Free trade agreements, slowly moving towards political agreements. The EU went from being about free trade to being a political union. Our politicians seem intent on doing the same.

[The Rabbi]

Could you explain to me how the history of the EU means anything to what goes on here?
Preferably without relying on innuendoes and unproven assertions.

Because it started like the NAU is starting. Free trade agreements, slowly moving towards political agreements. The EU went from being about free trade to being a political union. Our politicians seem intent on doing the same.

Actually NATO started out like that too.  Lots of things started out like that.  That doesn't mean anything.
Next.

[AntiqueCollector]

Could you explain to me how the history of the EU means anything to what goes on here?
Preferably without relying on innuendoes and unproven assertions.

Because it started like the NAU is starting. Free trade agreements, slowly moving towards political agreements. The EU went from being about free trade to being a political union. Our politicians seem intent on doing the same.

Actually NATO started out like that too.  Lots of things started out like that.  That doesn't mean anything.
Next.

Red herring. There are several "unions" in the world, starting now with free trade and working towards a political union, in Africa, Asia, Europe is already about done, North and South America, etc. They're driving at a single world government. Look how even politicians want to give the UN more power, such as taxation powers and making UN rules/resolutions legally binding laws...it's like boiling a frog, do it slowly so it doesn't notice...

[The Rabbi]

"North and South America"

Please specify any plan with any broad appeal for South America. 
You are making gross leaps of logic without any evidence whatsoever.  It is tin foil hatism, not argumentation.  Next you'll be saying to "connect the dots."

[AntiqueCollector]

"North and South America"

Please specify any plan with any broad appeal for South America. 
You are making gross leaps of logic without any evidence whatsoever.  It is tin foil hatism, not argumentation.  Next you'll be saying to "connect the dots."

A reasonably decent summary of some information on the NAU: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Independent_Task_Force_on_North_America

Here is the CFR's report/plan: http://www.cfr.org/pub8102/independent_task_force_report/building_a_north_american_community.php

Let me see...some others around the world:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/African_Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asian_Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Central_Asian_Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pacific_Union

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_of_South_American_Nations

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caribbean_Community


None of this stuff is just "tin foil hat" talk, it's all very real and out there in plain sight and easily researched.

[The Rabbi]

It is a far far cry from a report/study group to a world-wide conspiracy to abolish the U.S.
But I guess nothing will convince you, since I am "one of them."

[Michigander]

I must say, as kooky as it sounds, AntiqueCollector has provided truckloads of evidence supporting his views whereas The Rabbi has not shown any of what AC has posted to be untrue.

[The Rabbi]

No, he has provided zero evidence.
What he has provided is circumstantial evidence that some people some where are considering an idea that involves more open trade relations among Canada, Mexico, and the U.S.  This was an idea also floated by that notorious anti-American Ronald Reagan.
As evidence that there is a conspiracy to dissolve the U.S. and abrogate the Constitution it hardly rises to the level of risible.

[Tuco]

What he has provided is  that some people some where are considering an idea that involves more open trade relations among Canada, Mexico, and the U.S.  This was an idea also floated by that notorious anti-American Ronald Reagan.
As evidence that there is a conspiracy to dissolve the U.S. and abrogate the Constitution it hardly rises to the level of risible.

Then ante up and provide some circumstantial evidence to refute it.  Sure, that is not a logically correct procedure, but it's much more advanced than minimization and name calling, Rabbi.

innuendoes (sic) and unproven assertions
tin foil hat crowd
some of what you're smoking please

I agree, the original post showing the "Minty stolen coin" is over the top, and the links provided quash the idea, but really, where is some honest refutation of the underlying .....

oh wait,

  A Union like that has been envisaged for probably well over 100 years.  Done the right way I dont think it's a bad idea at all.

On the first page you offer historical (anecdotal) support of the premise of a union of north american states, going so far as to  offer conditional support, and on page two, you take the other side of the table. 


Share the information that made you change your mind.
Please?

Soakers

[The Rabbi]

Some people need a refresher course in logic and evidence.

The tin-foil hat crowd seems to be maintaining there is a giant conspiracy by parties unknown (Big Corporations?  Polticians?  George Bush?  The dreaded Neo Cons?) to dismantle the U.S. and the Constitution and somehow merge this country politically and economically with Mexico and Canada.
It is impossible to refute that since that means proving a negative.  On the other hand, it is impossible to support that with the evidence cited so far.  Some of that "evidence" is simply laughable on its face.  Even 100 such citations would not amount to anything credible.

What they have shown is that there is a proposal (and has been for some time) to create an economic interest zone based on shared markets among the 3 countries.  That does not involve dissolving the union or abrogating the Constitution.
Being a traditional free-trading Republican I heartily support a proposal like that.  Anyone who understands economics should.

[Tuco]

.....dissolving the union or abrogating the Constitution.
Being a traditional free-trading Republican I heartily support a proposal like that.  Anyone who understands economics should.

You said it.

[The Rabbi]

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Wow, you can cut a quotation too to make the poster say the opposite.  Gee, what a brilliant stroke.
I see the quality of argumentation and mind set on the other side.