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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2013, 02:03:45 PM »
I stood on the SOUTH side of the Potomac 3 years ago with Mike Vanderboegh and a few other notables with a rifle in hand and shouted obscenities across the river at the Capitol and the White House. It wasn't terribly smart then, but I was young, and adventurous. That was when we thought Hussein was a one-termer and the issue du jour was mostly Obamacare. In the current environment , legal issues aside, marching across the river would be considered inciting a rebellion and dealt with as such. Probably not as ruthlessly as the Bonus Army, but very efficiently and with little mercy.

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #51 on: May 07, 2013, 09:19:34 AM »
Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #52 on: May 07, 2013, 04:03:39 PM »
in the history i learned dc cops killed first 2.


and number 4 was a kid died of enteritis

I guess you could call it that. 

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After the cavalry charged, the infantry, with fixed bayonets and adamsite gas, an arsenical vomiting agent, entered the camps, evicting veterans, families, and camp followers. The veterans fled across the Anacostia River to their largest camp and President Hoover ordered the assault stopped. However Gen. MacArthur, feeling the Bonus March was an attempt to overthrow the U.S. government, ignored the President and ordered a new attack. Fifty-five veterans were injured and 135 arrested.[11] A veteran's wife miscarried. When 12-week-old Bernard Myers died in the hospital after being caught in the tear gas attack, a government investigation reported he died of enteritis, while a hospital spokesman said the tear gas "didn't do it any good."
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #53 on: May 07, 2013, 04:35:03 PM »
Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.

This, in spades. The little tinfoil-hat conspiracy theorist at the back of my mind is saying that this would be *JUST* what "they" want.

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #55 on: May 08, 2013, 06:30:08 AM »
http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/ANC_Visitors_Rules.pdf

Most of what is proposed violates these.

http://www.arlingtoncemetery.mil/docs/Carrying_or_Possession_of_Fireams.pdf

And this says firearms in the cemetary are a big no-no.

http://www.nps.gov/nr/travel/wash/dc69.htm

The bridge is owned/operated by NPS, which follows state law in regards to firearms.  But the bridge passes from Virginia to DC at roughly the mid-point of the span.

Just do not see how he can even get to the bridge via ANC without incurring the ire of MPs who will have no sympathy for his "cause" as it will be seen as high disrespect towards the permanent residents of ANC.  If he figures out how to get his crowd to the bridge via the GW Parkway he will be good to go until he gets mid-span.  Then all depends on whether or not Big Sister sees the event as armed insurrection/rebellion/incitement to riot.  Of course there will then be the DCPD response, but my guess is they will be pushed to the back of the bus, so to speak, when forces limne up to stop the march at the DC line.

Kokesh says he will turn back as soon as he encounters opposition.  That may happen as soon as he steps off on the GW Parkway towards the bridge, as there is a "no pedestrians" rule that I'm willing to bet NPS will enforce.

I agree with his complaint but see no way this will be anything but utter fail by a bufoon, and go down in history (if it ever gets there) as just one more example of idiocy.

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #56 on: May 08, 2013, 11:12:32 AM »
I don't think that this is the rude bridge that he is looking for  =|
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #57 on: May 08, 2013, 12:42:47 PM »
Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.

No need. A crowd of a thousand like that is perfectly capable of providing their own incident, be it an AD/ND, one nut deciding to get bold and pop a round off at a "fed", etc.

Lets put it this way...if you're deciding to pick up a rifle and follow a shady nutty guy into DC you aint all that bright in the first place. In fact, you're likely to be "that guy" who stands around the guncounter rambling about revolution, conspiracies, and espousing firearm myths...
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #58 on: May 08, 2013, 01:01:07 PM »
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And this says firearms in the cemetary are a big no-no.

Sounds like a zombie conspiracy to me.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #59 on: May 09, 2013, 08:09:39 PM »
Not a smart idea, and not one I'd participate in, but I hope it succeeds. It would put the bedwetters in hysterics, which would be great fun to watch.

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #60 on: May 09, 2013, 08:29:34 PM »
I don't think that this is the rude bridge that he is looking for  =|

I see what you did there.


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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #61 on: May 09, 2013, 09:20:33 PM »
Just seems like an opportunity for Holder to send in a couple BATFEces scumbags as agents provocateuer to incite a violent incident.

It's rare for me to put on too much tin foil, but I must also say that my gut says this is too perfect the opportunity for them to pass up....
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #62 on: May 09, 2013, 09:45:36 PM »
I don't think any agent provocateuring would end up well for them in the long run. Could set off a chain of events that they won't like, at least I hope it would. [ar15]
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #63 on: May 09, 2013, 10:30:01 PM »
A better idea would be to start an "Open Arms" march in some small midwestern/western city.

Then move around the country finally moving up to some bigger metropoli.


I would organize it myself except I hate crowds  :P
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #64 on: May 10, 2013, 01:25:20 AM »
Granted, I don't know what the laws in MD are, but they could probably march/enter from the East side of Capitol Hill.

Although I suppose nobody would notice a bunch of non-LEO's with firearms there. And might kind of belie the point they're trying to make.

On the bright side, the DCPD responds to a bunch of people with guns on the east side, they could all just scatter, and pretend to sell crack and they'd blend right in.
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Re: Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #65 on: May 10, 2013, 03:39:24 AM »
entering from the east kokesh would not blend in.

he reminds me of lt keifer in the caine mutiny

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #66 on: May 12, 2013, 05:27:03 PM »
Aside from it being Kokesh, and thus presumptively stupid and poorly thought out, you never promote an event, particularly an innovative and legally/logistically shaky event, with numbers you can't guarantee. Even if he got 800 the press would quite properly call it a failure.

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #67 on: May 12, 2013, 05:34:28 PM »
But the bridge passes from Virginia to DC at roughly the mid-point of the span.

Not that it really matters to the actual point, but the DC/VA boundary is the waterline on the Virginia side, NOT the mid-span point.  (The river was ceded to MD in the VA constitution, and when DC was created, the river became DC jurisdiction, including bridges).

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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #69 on: May 13, 2013, 03:38:04 PM »
a real prince   
http://www.drsharonschuetz.com/the-man-behind-the-open-carry-march/

I don't know Kokesh.  I don't have any reason to like or dislike him from personal experience, or affiliating with any event he has ever attended to my knowledge.

But it's very easy to lip-service slander a libertarian or anarchist or minarchist by saying they've associated with marxists or communists or whatever.

Take Ernie Hancock, for example.  Dude doesn't vote at all, because he thinks we're past the recovery point.  He's all about educating the following generation.  Shaping the mindset of the next generation.  Him, Mark Victor, Ed Vallejo, John Laurie, Alma Sommers, a few other folks here in AZ do some big pushes to put the "freedom before order" message out there.

He's had Cindy Sheehan into his home and studio and as a radio guest several times.  Does that make him a raving marxist like Sheehan?  Is Sheehan even a raving marxist, or is she painted into a corner herself?

We search for the right venue for our message, and move on from groups when the message they have doesn't resonate for us.  I used to hang out with the Minutemen and did patrols with them.  A few more years of thoughtful examination on the issue tells me that the State and its excesses are the root of the problem, not the Mexicans.  Quite a few other former "Minutemen" also came away with the same perspective, and found other groups to associate with. 

I won't condemn the guy for getting the pulse of an activist group and walking away once he decides it's not for him.  And if he peels a few folks away from those same groups, who are also looking for something that fits their perspective better... who can fault that? 

Rather than waiting for someone else to start the group that fits his needs, Kokesh is out there and being who he needs to be to represent himself and like minded folks.

But, hey:  this is just stoopid AZRedhawk44 typing this, so it's wrong by default, right? ;)
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #70 on: May 13, 2013, 04:58:41 PM »
Not a smart idea, and not one I'd participate in, but I hope it succeeds. It would put the bedwetters in hysterics, which would be great fun to watch.

Not me. I hope it fizzles out without even a pop.

I'd prefer to keep my guns legally should a time come when such activity does have just cause.

This kind of BS behavior only gives the left more material and actual reason to legislate against us.
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #71 on: May 13, 2013, 07:36:47 PM »
a real prince   
http://www.drsharonschuetz.com/the-man-behind-the-open-carry-march/

I want to read that piece, but she starts off by saying that the rifles will be slung, then claims that the march involves "brandishing" weapons.  :facepalm:
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Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #72 on: May 14, 2013, 08:57:49 AM »
I don't know Kokesh.  I don't have any reason to like or dislike him from personal experience, or affiliating with any event he has ever attended to my knowledge.

But it's very easy to lip-service slander a libertarian or anarchist or minarchist by saying they've associated with marxists or communists or whatever.

Take Ernie Hancock, for example.  Dude doesn't vote at all, because he thinks we're past the recovery point.  He's all about educating the following generation.  Shaping the mindset of the next generation.  Him, Mark Victor, Ed Vallejo, John Laurie, Alma Sommers, a few other folks here in AZ do some big pushes to put the "freedom before order" message out there.

He's had Cindy Sheehan into his home and studio and as a radio guest several times.  Does that make him a raving marxist like Sheehan?  Is Sheehan even a raving marxist, or is she painted into a corner herself?

We search for the right venue for our message, and move on from groups when the message they have doesn't resonate for us.  I used to hang out with the Minutemen and did patrols with them.  A few more years of thoughtful examination on the issue tells me that the State and its excesses are the root of the problem, not the Mexicans.  Quite a few other former "Minutemen" also came away with the same perspective, and found other groups to associate with. 

I won't condemn the guy for getting the pulse of an activist group and walking away once he decides it's not for him.  And if he peels a few folks away from those same groups, who are also looking for something that fits their perspective better... who can fault that? 

Rather than waiting for someone else to start the group that fits his needs, Kokesh is out there and being who he needs to be to represent himself and like minded folks.

But, hey:  this is just stoopid AZRedhawk44 typing this, so it's wrong by default, right? ;)


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Re: Re: Adam Kokesh planning loaded rifle protest march into DC
« Reply #73 on: May 14, 2013, 09:14:37 AM »
kokesh fanbois? hes like david duke for republicans. or jason christ for "the movement". slightly above jt ready and that lady who did the home invasion homicides while heading up the anti mexican group

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