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Title: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Ben on July 03, 2017, 09:03:34 PM
Well, this kid has a rough road ahead for himself, herself, or itself...

http://twitchy.com/brettt-3136/2017/07/03/parents-celebrate-huge-step-forward-in-fight-to-keep-babys-gender-off-id-allow-child-to-discover-it/
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 03, 2017, 11:35:54 PM
This is social justice warrioring on steroids. Notice all the markers:

Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Blakenzy on July 03, 2017, 11:57:38 PM
It rubs the lotion on it's skin?  =|

Referring to a child as "they" seems like a good way to screw "them" up.

This nonsense has all the hallmarks of a mental disorder. Replacing clear cut reality with imagination, what is scary is the law seems to follow suit by forcing people to accept the imagination of a few. NO, just because you think you are of the opposite gender doesn't make you so... and forcefully creating ambiguity in the development of a child's self image is not good at all.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Firethorn on July 04, 2017, 12:03:24 AM
Well, I for one hope that the kid, like I did a few times, tells the parents off and that "I'm a boy/girl!" and settles the issue before too long.

No, I didn't ever have to tell my parents my gender, but I did express my desire/dislike for something a few times.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: bedlamite on July 04, 2017, 12:16:16 AM
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Right now they’re just a baby.

So she thinks it's plural.  :facepalm:
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Boomhauer on July 04, 2017, 12:28:47 AM
When said kid stabs the parents in their sleep one night I feel that it should be a free pass


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Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: MillCreek on July 04, 2017, 01:10:12 AM
When said kid stabs the parents in their sleep one night I feel that it should be a free pass


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Plus eleventy.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: freakazoid on July 04, 2017, 07:58:56 AM
So she thinks it's plural.  :facepalm:

"They" seems to be a common "identity" for some reason. It's like they really have no idea how words work, or maybe they actually have multiple personality disorder. :lol:
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: lee n. field on July 04, 2017, 09:18:12 AM
When said kid stabs the parents in their sleep one night I feel that it should be a free pass


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I would not be surprised to see a rash of parricides in coming decades.  (And suicides, alas).

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the parents

pic that accompanied the article I saw on the book of faces looked feminine, but appeared to have a short chin bristle type beard.
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Post by: lupinus on July 04, 2017, 09:29:21 AM
Someone needs to watch Sleepaway Camp, cause this *expletive deleted*it didn't end well for those folks.

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Post by: Ned Hamford on July 04, 2017, 10:07:49 AM
Someone needs to watch Sleepaway Camp, cause this *expletive deleted*it didn't end well for those folks.

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That's what I thought.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: lee n. field on July 04, 2017, 11:46:43 AM
What do you know.  Parent has a website (http://koridoty.com).

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I’m Kori. I’m a community educator living in Sinixt Territory in occupied British Columbia, Canada. I am a non-binary genderqueer trans person with more than a decade of community facilitation experience. I have specialized in sexual health, harm reduction, community organizing, technical knowledge exchange and radical approaches to wellness.

Surprise!


Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Ben on July 04, 2017, 11:48:13 AM
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I’m Kori. I’m a community educator indoctrinator

Fixed.

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I have specialized in sexual health, harm reduction, community organizing, technical knowledge exchange and radical approaches to wellness using innocent children as my political props.

Also fixed.
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Post by: lupinus on July 04, 2017, 11:50:47 AM
Yep. Someone's about to *expletive deleted*ck up their spawn and create a future special fruitcake.

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Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 04, 2017, 01:32:04 PM
What do you know.  Parent has a website (http://http://koridoty.com).

Surprise!


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I wonder if "it" (the parental unit) had to take "its" web site down.

My, my, my ...

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I’m Kori. I’m a community educator living in Sinixt Territory in occupied British Columbia, Canada. I am a non-binary genderqueer trans person with more than a decade of community facilitation experience. I have specialized in sexual health, harm reduction, community organizing, technical knowledge exchange and radical approaches to wellness.

I'm sure Kori doesn't see any irony in being a "binary genderqueer trans person" [whatever that is] and claiming to specialize in sexual health.

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Post by: RevDisk on July 04, 2017, 02:21:36 PM
Yep. Someone's about to *expletive deleted*ck up their spawn and create a future special fruitcake.

One issue with the modern world is that a lot of crazy people find other people who share the same kind of crazy. Instead of negative reinforcement, they get validation. As the liberty minded person, I believe a person can have any type of crazy notion they like as long as all parties are consenting adult of legal age. If you want to believe your gender is mayonnaise and you sexually identify as an Apache attack helicopter, that's fine.

Forcing your beliefs on other people is where it gets much more grey. I'm leery of the jihad to force everyone else to believe the same fruitcake stuff. Tolerance is not enough for a lot of folks, of all different stripes. Acceptance is not enough. Validation is what they want. Not "Fine, if you want to have your gender listed as mayonnaise, I don't care" but rather "Yes, mayonnaise is a perfectly valid gender choice, and you are so brave for embracing mayonnaise as your gender. Death to any infidels who deny your true gender!"

I've seen plenty of adults who screw up their children by forcing warped ideologies on them. And not just the special fruitcakes. Plenty of wacko religions have been doing so since time immortal. For the same reason. They believe their ideology is correct, and it is their duty to indoctrinate their kid instead of allowing them to evaluate such things on their own merit. It's not going away anytime soon.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: MillCreek on July 04, 2017, 04:18:57 PM
"Occupied British Columbia"?  I wonder if this person is part of a First Nations tribe in Canada and doesn't like high SPF people.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 04, 2017, 04:49:05 PM
"Occupied British Columbia"?  I wonder if this person is part of a First Nations tribe in Canada and doesn't like high SPF people.

That was my thought, too, until I found a photo of "it" on-line. "It" appears to be a high SPF sort of ... entity. (Not sure if it's acceptable to refer to it as a "person," so I hope "entity" is socially acceptable.)
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: lee n. field on July 04, 2017, 07:07:01 PM
I wonder if "it" (the parental unit) had to take "its" web site down.

My, my, my ...

I'm sure Kori doesn't see any irony in being a "binary genderqueer trans person" [whatever that is] and claiming to specialize in sexual health.



fixed the url in my original post.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: lee n. field on July 04, 2017, 07:10:09 PM
"Occupied British Columbia"?  I wonder if this person is part of a First Nations tribe in Canada and doesn't like high SPF people.

Looks like a paleface to me.

Yep, this is it:

(https://www.blazingcatfur.ca/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/Kori-Doty.jpg)
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 04, 2017, 07:58:01 PM
"They" seems to be a common "identity" for some reason. It's like they really have no idea how words work, or maybe they actually have multiple personality disorder. :lol:

These people (notice how skillfully I avoided the use of "they") want a word that doesn't carry a gender association, yet for a single person these same people studiously avoid using the simple, accepted, gender neutral pronoun indicative of a single entity: "it."

The time has come to mount the resistance. We need to shame the it-phobes of the world. Demand equal rights for the its!
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: MillCreek on July 04, 2017, 09:25:59 PM
^^^So is that a biological male?  Although I applaud the use of ear protection for the baby, and I can only assume they are at the range.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: lee n. field on July 04, 2017, 09:42:10 PM
^^^So is that a biological male?  Although I applaud the use of ear protection for the baby, and I can only assume they are at the range.

Yes, the offspring appears to be a son.  To my eyes.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: BlueStarLizzard on July 04, 2017, 10:00:46 PM
Yes, the offspring appears to be a son.  To my eyes.

At that age, it could go either way. That's why they make those cute little headbands for girls. Emily had some real adorable ones.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: MillCreek on July 04, 2017, 10:53:22 PM
Yes, the offspring appears to be a son.  To my eyes.

I actually meant the adult.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: GigaBuist on July 04, 2017, 11:54:00 PM
I'm basically about as friendly as you can get to the LGBTQ circle but even I have no idea what "non-binary genderqueer trans person" means without really thinking about it and even then I'm kind of guessing.

Even if the parent is trans it's silly for them to insist on a gender neutral ID.  They should be fully aware that we're basically 99.99% likely to identify our gender with our natural sex.  If they're a statistically fluke make that an issue when it becomes apparent to them if it ever does.  It probably won't.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Hawkmoon on July 05, 2017, 01:07:58 AM
I actually meant the adult.

Yes ... the one wearing the hearing protection..
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: makattak on July 05, 2017, 09:24:43 AM
At that age, it could go either way. That's why they make those cute little headbands for girls. Emily had some real adorable ones.

Exactly. I know some parents get offended when you call their little girl a boy (or vice versa), but babies have no features that differentiate the sexes (outside of their diapers, that is.)

It's puberty that makes the obvious outward physical changes. Until then, it's clothes and hairstyle for outward differentiation.

HOWEVER, (back to the original post), trying to claim that they are, therefore, sexless, is not only foolish, it is harmful to the child.

But hey, what are kids but the means by which parents can play out all their own issues on them?
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 05, 2017, 09:51:14 AM
These people (notice how skillfully I avoided the use of "they") want a word that doesn't carry a gender association, yet for a single person these same people studiously avoid using the simple, accepted, gender neutral pronoun indicative of a single entity: "it."

The time has come to mount the resistance. We need to shame the it-phobes of the world. Demand equal rights for the its!

I can think of a whole slew of gender neutral titles for them.

dipshit
dumbass
moron
idiot
*expletive deleted*tard
twatwaffle
ahole
*expletive deleted*it-for-brains

I coud go on all day...
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: makattak on July 05, 2017, 10:51:08 AM
I can think of a whole slew of gender neutral titles for them.

dipshit
dumbass
moron
idiot
*expletive deleted*tard
twatwaffle
*expletive deleted*hole
*expletive deleted*it-for-brains

I coud go on all day...


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLA28umt9iw&t=1m55s
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: lee n. field on July 05, 2017, 01:16:57 PM
I can think of a whole slew of gender neutral titles for them.

dipshit
dumbass
moron
idiot
*expletive deleted*tard
twatwaffle
*expletive deleted*hole
*expletive deleted*it-for-brains

I coud go on all day...


I think "that" is probably a good pronoun.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: Firethorn on July 05, 2017, 02:06:09 PM
I was thinking about this, and remembered something from earlier renaissance times.

Basically, back in the day, all babies were kept in dresses for the first period of their life.  Easier cleanup and such.

Putting the boys in britches was an important time for them.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: makattak on July 05, 2017, 02:51:57 PM
I was thinking about this, and remembered something from earlier renaissance times.

Basically, back in the day, all babies were kept in dresses for the first period of their life.  Easier cleanup and such.

Putting the boys in britches was an important time for them.

Even further "back in the day" everyone wore "dresses." Britches themselves were an important time.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: RevDisk on July 05, 2017, 04:57:27 PM
I was thinking about this, and remembered something from earlier renaissance times.

Basically, back in the day, all babies were kept in dresses for the first period of their life.  Easier cleanup and such.

Putting the boys in britches was an important time for them.

Romans conquered the world while not wearing pants. Still doesn't mean that the person in the photo wouldn't have been considered a very strange person back in that time period as well.

Again, I support a person's decision to be weird. A person has a right to be weird without government interference. People do not and should not have a right to make the government enforce their particular brand of weird on others. Doesn't matter if you have one weird person or a million weird people. Logic should stand.
Title: Re: Canadian Parents Get "Genderless" ID for Their Baby
Post by: RoadKingLarry on July 05, 2017, 05:47:11 PM
Romans conquered the world while not wearing pants. Still doesn't mean that the person in the photo wouldn't have been considered a very strange person back in that time period as well.

Again, I support a person's decision to be weird. A person has a right to be weird without government interference. People do not and should not have a right to make the government enforce their particular brand of weird on others. Doesn't matter if you have one weird person or a million weird people. Logic should stand.

Nor should government subsidize their particular flavor of mental illness and force the taxpayer to fund it.