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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #75 on: September 20, 2011, 11:17:42 AM »
 If he was a Demoncat then, then of course he endorsed Al. 
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #76 on: September 20, 2011, 11:20:31 AM »
A Republican president (and Congress? Can't recall) gave us the TSA which molests children and sexually assaults adults every single day.

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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #77 on: September 20, 2011, 03:04:34 PM »
If he was a Demoncat then, then of course he endorsed Al. 


 :O ;/ [barf]
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #78 on: September 20, 2011, 05:52:25 PM »

 :O ;/ [barf]

Al Gore in 1988 would not likely get Al Gore of 2000's or Al Gore of 2011's endorsement and Gore88 would likely reciprocate.

In the Dem field at the time, which included these jokers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_Party_%28United_States%29_presidential_primaries,_1988
Gore was the conservative Democrat.

The Dem candidate who beat Al Gore:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BRPZQ3UEN_Q&feature=related

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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #79 on: September 20, 2011, 09:34:58 PM »
I read a great article (when I get back from a parent meeting at my kids' school I'll see if I can track it down) that did a really good job of explaining why RP was a Donk up until the late 80's or early 90's.  Basically TX was so dominated by the Donks that any politician who actually wanted to be elected had to be a Dem back then, regardless of actual political ideology.  And a Dem NEVER endorsed a non-Dem back then.  Once Reps were electable he made the change. 
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #80 on: September 20, 2011, 11:39:03 PM »
FTR, most our non-urban Dems are relatively sane.  It was Gov Richardson, a Dem, who signed the CHL bill.

Perry has his warts, no doubt, but this is weak tea.  How about his position on illegal aliens & the border?  The TTC?  Gov't school funding formulae?  Those are Perry's real soft spots. 

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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #81 on: September 21, 2011, 11:12:32 AM »
I thought Governor Bush signed the Texas CHL law. 

Gov Anne Richards is one of the main reasons we got a Republican Gov in Bush.  People didn't like her much.  Then later Bill Clinton's antics turned all the state and federal positions into Republican positions.  Democrats candidates since then have gone downhill from Clinton.

However, even now for local stuff, my home town is still mostly Democrat.
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #82 on: September 21, 2011, 01:05:37 PM »
I thought Governor Bush signed the Texas CHL law. 

Gov Anne Richards is one of the main reasons we got a Republican Gov in Bush.  People didn't like her much.  Then later Bill Clinton's antics turned all the state and federal positions into Republican positions.  Democrats candidates since then have gone downhill from Clinton.

However, even now for local stuff, my home town is still mostly Democrat.

Well, I'll be dipped in apple butter!  You are right.
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #83 on: September 22, 2011, 10:36:14 PM »
Well, I'll be dipped in apple butter!  You are right.
IIRC, the biggest single reason Ann Richards lost is because she opposed allowing Texans to have a referendum on CHL . . .

In any case, I do believe Perry has lost my vote for POTUS . . . he just adamantly defended giving in-state tuition to ILLEGAL ALIENS at Texas universities.  :mad:
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #84 on: September 23, 2011, 12:02:18 AM »
GAH!

And here's the article supporting my conclusion:

http://abclocal.go.com/ktrk/story?section=news/in_focus&id=8354519

Look, Mr. Perry, allow me to quote another politician:

"...I am concerned about the continuing and seemingly inexorable transfer of authority from parents to the state. Not every human problem deserves a law."

Now, as I've said before, Perry is an acceptable candidate. He's not my first choice, and stuff like this only illustrates his negatives for me. (But he is the best of those running right now.)



And here's the immigration side of that.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/rick-perry-gets-into-immigration-scuffle-with-mitt-romney-and-rick-santorum-at-foxgoogle-debate/

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To that argument, Perry replied passionately that “you don’t have a heart” if you don’t feel for the children of illegal immigrants.

Compassionate conservatism.  :facepalm:

Still better than a "moderate" like Romney, but I don't want a leader thinking the role of government is compassion.

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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #85 on: September 23, 2011, 09:59:51 AM »
I guess that is the rub with me.  If it is Perry vs Romney, I'll pick Perry any day.  We'll have to see if any of the other candidates make a showing in the primaries.  Some of them are worth my attention.
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #86 on: September 25, 2011, 12:03:27 AM »
Hey, no Perry-poking from CSD for a while.  Roughly as long as Perry has been taking it in the teeth for Perry's support of taxpayer subsidized tuition at state schools and Perry's lack of seriousness on border security.

Perhaps CSD thinks Perry is Growing In Office, before he even wins?  Perhaps CSD has a Strange, New Respect for Perry?

Frankly, I enjoy seeing Perry taking it in the face on this issue.  He deserves every single smack, especially after his "have no heart" comment.  Maybe Perry will learn something from it (sounds like, "from Mitt").

It looks like the front runners are:
1. A big fat liberal northeastern RINO who claims to be born again hard conservative...who wuvs Social Security
2. A southwestern mostly conservative Republican who describes SS honestly, but is just plain awful on illegals & the border

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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #87 on: September 25, 2011, 01:16:43 AM »
In any case, I do believe Perry has lost my vote for POTUS . . . he just adamantly defended giving in-state tuition to ILLEGAL ALIENS at Texas universities.  :mad:

He's actually just putting them at the base rate for being smart enough to want to stay.  Out-of-state rates are there to penalize the Americans too stupid to actually move to Texas.

Frankly, I never got the "I must go to an out of state college that's not world-famous in my field" mentality.  I mean, going to MIT for engineering or Harvard for law is one thing, but to just pick a school that's maybe in the top 20 for your field sounds more like hiding from mommy and daddy.

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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #88 on: September 25, 2011, 01:18:39 AM »
The Aggie/non-lawyer deal is just icing on the cake.

So where do you rank inspiring a special edition Ruger and owning a custom LaRue Tactical OBR?

Can you tell he's ex-AF?


(EDIT TO ADD: Besides, that degree in animal science might give him an edge in dealing with Congress.)
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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #89 on: September 25, 2011, 07:32:42 AM »
He's actually just putting them at the base rate for being smart enough to want to stay.  Out-of-state rates are there to penalize the Americans too stupid to actually move to Texas.

Frankly, I never got the "I must go to an out of state college that's not world-famous in my field" mentality.  I mean, going to MIT for engineering or Harvard for law is one thing, but to just pick a school that's maybe in the top 20 for your field sounds more like hiding from mommy and daddy.

A&M is a mouse's whisker below MIT in nuclear, and is extremely good in other areas.  UT has their choice programs as well.  I've met more aggies I'd hire than MIT folk anyway.  Both schools are in the top 10 or 20 in a wide variety of fields, and worth going out of state for.

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Re: stick a fork in him
« Reply #90 on: September 25, 2011, 10:14:28 AM »
Hey, no Perry-poking from CSD for a while.  Roughly as long as Perry has been taking it in the teeth for Perry's support of taxpayer subsidized tuition at state schools and Perry's lack of seriousness on border security.

Perhaps CSD thinks Perry is Growing In Office, before he even wins?  Perhaps CSD has a Strange, New Respect for Perry?

Frankly, I enjoy seeing Perry taking it in the face on this issue.  He deserves every single smack, especially after his "have no heart" comment.  Maybe Perry will learn something from it (sounds like, "from Mitt").

It looks like the front runners are:
1. A big fat liberal northeastern RINO who claims to be born again hard conservative...who wuvs Social Security
2. A southwestern mostly conservative Republican who describes SS honestly, but is just plain awful on illegals & the border




nah just trying to be nice since texans are sensitive >:D
plus i am trying to digest ron paul becoming more and more palatable to me, and thats not easy
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