Smelly Hippies, Commies, and Anarchists Stinking Up Denver

[AZRedhawk44]

That isn't the point of wearing them, for the most part.

The other point was to hide identity so that they can do things like throw cobblestones at police, ATM's and store windows and not be identified by eyewitnesses or video cameras.  Very honorable.

And that is what you people don't seem to get. No, they are NOT on our side. They are NOT socialists/communists! Do you people think that anybody who doesn't believe in a laissez-faire economy a socialist/communist?

Yes.  Next question?

Yeah, we'll be there.

Good.  As long as you practice your freedom of speech, you're welcome to be there.  Pick up a rock with the intent to do anonymous harm with your face covered, and I can't say I'll weep much if you get beaten down by a cop or otherwise stopped from your intended action.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

throw enough rocks and some cops are gonna learn to hit folks in the temple with rubber bullets. martys to the revolution aborning

[freakazoid]

The other point was to hide identity so that they can do things like throw cobblestones at police, ATM's and store windows and not be identified by eyewitnesses or video cameras.  Very honorable

lolz, The point is to act in solidarity, sort of like the reason armies wear uniforms. And it keeps you from being singled out. And there is no point in trying to argue the reason for the destruction. Were just way to far apart in ideaologies in that area to even have a meaningful debate.

Yes.

Then that means that there are a lot of socialists/communists on this site.   

[The Annoyed Man]

lolz, The point is to act in solidarity, sort of like the reason armies wear uniforms. And it keeps you from being singled out. And there is no point in trying to argue the reason for the destruction. Were just way to far apart in ideaologies in that area to even have a meaningful debate.

Solidarity in assaulting people, throwing molotovs, looting stores. And yes, it keeps you from being singled out on surveillance tapes shot from stores that were looted, or from being singled out as the one who threw that molotov against that store on the corner. But, I figure it's ok if it's for The Struggle!®

[Balog]

So freak, who and what do you consider "real" communists? And how do you reconcile communism and anarchism? In your words.

[Perd Hapley]

And there is no point in trying to argue the reason for the destruction. Were just way to far apart in ideaologies in that area to even have a meaningful debate. 

And too far apart in our knowledge of how to spell common words. 


Really guys, what's the point in trying to have an adult conversation with someone who has to start every reply with "lol" ?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

well they are funny

[roo_ster]

If these people had any balls whatsoever they would go and protest the Republican convention

Yeah, we'll be there.

Do your buddies a favor and hit Sam's or Costco for the jumbo pack of Irish Spring.  Tell 'em the new thing is to show your solidarity with Irish anarchists, many of whom work in the IS plant by day, but are terrifically anarchic by night.

And there is no point in trying to argue the reason for the destruction.

I dunno.  I am interested in the reasoning behind destroying someone else's property while in a large group and seeking to shirk the consequences after having done so.

[Headless Thompson Gunner]

What's the point of the protests/riots?  What are the rioters hoping to accomplish?  And why do they want to accomplish it?

[xavier fremboe]

Quote from: freakazoid
And there is no point in trying to argue the reason for the destruction.

I dunno.  I am interested in the reasoning behind destroying someone else's property while in a large group and seeking to shirk the consequences after having done so.

Precisely.  Anonymous rickrolling the Scientologists is a protest, and actually gains support for their cause through humor.  How is random destruction:
1) Acceptable in any sort of (rational) belief system and
2) Different from the results of a NCAA championship celebration gone wrong?

Or to put it another way, if I'm walking through your neighborhood in force with a bunch of friends and we torched your car, would you be honor-bound to dissuade the police for looking for suspects because there's no reason for the destruction and we were acting in solidarity?  Or would be be a bunch of ahole vandals who should be forced to replace your car and serve some time?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

how about choice 3? shoot someone who destroys property. i think arson qualifies as a threat to others lives.

i can tell you what the driving force behind the detruction in the late 60's and early 70's was. useless young men with hormones raging trying to impress folks they professed contempt for. while some at least pretend to ave a concern for the issue dujour most are there for the excitement and action. much like the death and destruction in northern ireland hid behind a cause in reallity many of the players are just thugs or thuggabes hiding behind a political veneer.about 15 mins after the cops got turned loose with the old 3 orders to disperse then fire there would be a real shortage of heros.
someday the heroes are gonna piss of the wrong group and its gonna leave a mark.  anyone remember the hard hats in new york mopping the streets with the hippies that one time?  my perfect storm would be the heros crossing the hells angles  or maybe ms 13. that would be video i'd wanna see on you tube.

and this from a guy who was a hippy back in the late 60's.   

[xavier fremboe]

how about choice 3? shoot someone who destroys property. i think arson qualifies as a threat to others lives.

I was going to put that as a choice, but I just didn't think you could shoot a vandal-of-conscience.   What was the rule in '68?  Shoot arsonist to kill, shoot looters to wound and detain?

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

funny thing about that.  Once word got  out they were gonna shoot folks remembered their manners.Sometimes i really wish i was rich.  Hire a couple chapters of angels and pay a scalp bounty. Not let em kill the heroes  maybe just take their clothes.the cops could just grab the naked ones. Naked takes the fight outa em  unless they are tweakers or green beans.
In 68 the dc cops just started kicking butts i was so young they left me alone.I went down with an older group of heros   just for the action  and one of the organizing heros gave me a bag of marbles to dump in front of the mounted cops.  I like horses so i dumped em and just kinda tagged along for grins and chuckles. was scary  but good for me. i saw some cops deliver artful beatings.

[Scout26]

C&S D Please try it.....

Your posts are almost unreadable ......

[MicroBalrog]

I will merely assume ignorance on your part and move on. 

This is not the thread for it, but allow me to point you to Morrison's old 'Oxford History of the American People'. There's controversy that existed since the very Founding days regarding the quality of Washington's command (there were multiple attempts by different forces in the Continental Congress to have him removed), and there are historians who believe the main reason for the eventual victory in the war were the various militia formations and the French/Dutch support.

Yes.  Not particularly relevant to any of the topics in this thread, though.

I was criticising the old 'soldier, not the community organizer' saw.

[Perd Hapley]

there are historians who believe the main reason for the eventual victory in the war were the various militia formations and the French/Dutch support.

So soldiers WERE important to the revolution.  Bringing up a minority view point that Washington was anything less than a brilliant general is quite beside the point.

And if you think the militia was more effective than the Continental Army, you haven't read the books that I have.  The militia tended to flee from battle more often than Washington's troops.

[MicroBalrog]

Of COURSE people who fought in the revolution were important.

But the cliche statement ignores all the 'community organizers' and 'protestors' that were important in the creation of the American form of government as it is known today.

[Perd Hapley]

And that point is taken, at least on my end. 

But "Washington's role was comparatively minor"?  That's just a goofy thing to say.  Washington was huge, and if you're going to keep bringing up contemporary attitudes toward Washington, they thought he was even huger back then.  He's one reason we have our current Constitution, you know. 

[De Selby]

And that point is taken, at least on my end. 

But "Washington's role was comparatively minor"?  That's just a goofy thing to say.  Washington was huge, and if you're going to keep bringing up contemporary attitudes toward Washington, they thought he was even huger back then.  He's one reason we have our current Constitution, you know. 

It's not so goofy-there is a very good argument to be made that most of Washington's cash-value significance was as a storybook figure to help consolidate post-war political structures.  In that regard he was certainly without equal-he was a character that could be placed into the various stories the political parties wanted to tell.

But in terms of brilliantly defeating the British army or managing the continental army, that is definitely not a "goofy" thing to say.

And more in line with what Micro is saying here (I have to agree), the army was extremely dangerous to the early republic.  There was a large group of bitter vets who wanted to do away with any pre-revolution property rights and distribute all the assets of the new state amongst those who fought for it-their ideas showed (as did many enlightenment era societies) the seeds of Marx's communism.

Likewise, there were a number of plots to seize the reigns of the new state via military coup.  We're extremely lucky that they didn't succeed.

An army that is popularly supported can defend a free country from outside attack by forces who may or may not make the country less free, but it cannot "defend freedom" into existence where there is none.

[Werewolf]

MicroBalrog:

Soldiers did not create our freedoms in the US but they are definitely the guarantors of them...

[Kaylee]

If you have to wear a mask to do your job, you need to consider another line of work.
(And yes, I'd say that to *both* sides)

But to liken this mess to "Solidarity" is an insult to those who really did DIE for their beliefs in REAL totalitarian regimes.

but it seems to me that this thread has a really strange vibe to it, as if people were going after the hippies for being protestors, rather than being communist protestors

Prolly because most "protesting" has become asinine in the last forty years. Less and less about any recognizable principle and more about the whole narcissistic drama of being "a rebel." Cheap heroism indeed.  At least the Viet Nam era kids (whatever you think of their politics) burning their draft cards were actually *risking* something for their principles. Even if I disagree, I can respect the young man willing to go to prison instead of service if he's that adamantly against a war**.

But these folks? For all the screaming about "fascist" this and "evil empire" that, they know in their hearts they won't see worse than a CS pellet or maybe a "disorderly conduct" type charge if they totally make asses of themselves by closing off roads and suchlike*. When they step up and actually volunteer to scream "fascist" at real totalitarians that really do disappear people for acting up, I'll take 'em seriously.

Or if that's too much, get cleaned up and go do productive work that really does improve how other people live their lives. Fix a car. Make a dinner. Write a piece of software. Nurse some old folks, or wipe baby butts.

Not as romantic perhaps... but then, the real good-doing in this world is usually a heck of a lot less interesting than making a spectacle of yourself.







* Kaylee's quick test for how to tell if your "demonstration" is being broken up for political reasons or because you're being a thoughtless ass to your neighbors: if your signs said the opposite of what they do, would the cops still be pulling your butt off the street so traffic can keep moving? Most always in this country, the answer to that question is "yes."

** That said, given what I've heard from those who were there, such a young man would be decidedly in the minority.. the "rabblerousing is a fun way to pick up chicks" being the more common motivation.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

Even if I disagree, I can respect the young man willing to go to prison instead of service if he's that adamantly against a war**.


i wonder how many back then actually went to prison.

[xavier fremboe]

Kaylee:  Post more often, please.   

[French G.]

Kaylee:  Post more often, please.   

Agreed.

If you have to wear a mask to do your job, you need to consider another line of work.
(And yes, I'd say that to *both* sides)

I like the part where one of the Fox news guys had pictures of Pelosi, Reid, Dick Cheney and a couple of other well known political people. They had protesters on camera that couldn't identify any of them despite clues. Sad. Protesting their freedom to live in a country where apparently the don't have to actually have a job or anything.

My solution still seems valid to me. Paintballs filled with soap in those nifty guns Denver PD has and backed up by a water cannon. A few PAVA balls can be interspersed to make them scrub vigorously.

[freakazoid]

So freak, who and what do you consider "real" communists? And how do you reconcile communism and anarchism? In your words.

Communism pretty much = anarchism. Anarchy is really a direct method to reach communism, there isn't much of a transitional period as with the other ideologies. There is nothing to reconcile. Communism is a classless stateless society.

And too far apart in our knowledge of how to spell common words. 

Oh noes, I misspelled "ideologies" and "we're". I have neeever scene that done here before,  And I count 2 misspelled words.

Really guys, what's the point in trying to have an adult conversation with someone who has to start every reply with "lol" ?

Really? EVERY reply with "lol"? Do you care to prove that? http://www.armedpolitesociety.com/index.php?action=search2;params=YWR2YW5jZWR8J3wxfCJ8dXNlcnNwZWN8J3wqZnJlYWthem9pZHwifGJyZHwnfDEsNXwifHNob3dfY29tcGxldGV8J3x8InxzdWJqZWN0X29ubHl8J3x8Inxzb3J0X2RpcnwnfGRlc2N8Inxzb3J0fCd8cmVsZXZhbmNlfCJ8c2VhcmNofCd8bG9s;start=30 This came up with only 40 times that I had used "lol" Before this post I have posted a total of 287 times. 287 - 40 = 247 times that I haven't used "lol. Not only that but those were not all used at the beginning of a reply. Do you not even know why I had used "lolz"? It was because I found his ignorance on it funny. Nice try though at trying to discredit my posts because of a few spelling errors and word choices, 

Do your buddies a favor and hit Sam's or Costco for the jumbo pack of Irish Spring.  Tell 'em the new thing is to show your solidarity with Irish anarchists, many of whom work in the IS plant by day, but are terrifically anarchic by night.

I am now unable to go, I was hopeing to be able to carpool up with another person to keep the price of gas down but now he is unable to go.

I dunno.  I am interested in the reasoning behind destroying someone else's property while in a large group and seeking to shirk the consequences after having done so.

The thing is that there are a few other things that have to be understood before this can even begin to be touched. But I do invite you to revleft.com and look around for your answers.

Or to put it another way, if I'm walking through your neighborhood in force with a bunch of friends and we torched your car, would you be honor-bound to dissuade the police for looking for suspects because there's no reason for the destruction and we were acting in solidarity?  Or would be be a bunch of ahole vandals who should be forced to replace your car and serve some time?

No where near the same.

Once word got  out they were gonna shoot folks remembered their manners.Sometimes i really wish i was rich.

I count 3 errors, added an extra space, forgot a comma, and left out a space. Should I now completely disregard your post, after all there where only 2 in mine.

But to liken this mess to "Solidarity" is an insult to those who really did DIE for their beliefs in REAL totalitarian regimes.

I think you misunderstood my point.

At least the Viet Nam era kids (whatever you think of their politics) burning their draft cards were actually *risking* something for their principles. Even if I disagree, I can respect the young man willing to go to prison instead of service if he's that adamantly against a war**.

Have you not heard or scene what happens to the protesters now?

But these folks? For all the screaming about "fascist" this and "evil empire" that, they know in their hearts they won't see worse than a CS pellet or maybe a "disorderly conduct" type charge if they totally make asses of themselves by closing off roads and suchlike*. When they step up and actually volunteer to scream "fascist" at real totalitarians that really do disappear people for acting up, I'll take 'em seriously.

So because it isn't as bad as real totalitarian places that all of a sudden means that it still isn't bad? If that is the case then perhaps the blacks really shouldn't of minded all the different types of racism towards them, after all it wasn't like what had happened to the Jews.

Or if that's too much, get cleaned up and go do productive work that really does improve how other people live their lives. Fix a car. Make a dinner. Write a piece of software. Nurse some old folks, or wipe baby butts.

You talk as if people don't do these things either.

I like the part where one of the Fox news guys had pictures of Pelosi, Reid, Dick Cheney and a couple of other well known political people. They had protesters on camera that couldn't identify any of them despite clues. Sad. Protesting their freedom to live in a country where apparently the don't have to actually have a job or anything.

Something tells me that they were selective on who they televised.