Fired for working in the adult film industry in the past

[Ron]

Too many folks:


*on guns*  Guns are my right! If i'm not hurting anyone, what guns I own and the manner in which i carry them is none of anyone's business!

*on sex* OMG That person did something with their body that is not in my approved list of body-thingies. I absolutely support discriminating against that person as a result.


Saw this in a thread on strippers a while back. Got real irritated with the implications of that thread, considering my wife was once a stripper.

You're not going to discriminate against some folks from having influence over your children? (assuming you folks decide to have children)

What if you have a daughter and she wants to go to Vacation Bible School at the local fundie church with a friend? You going to hand her over to the local Bible bangers for a week?

[Fitz]

You're not going to discriminate against some folks from having influence over your children? (assuming you folks decide to have children)

What if you have a daughter and she wants to go to Vacation Bible School at the local fundie church with a friend? You going to hand her over to the local Bible bangers for a week?

Absolutely. I don't see what that has to do with this thread?

If i've done my job right, my child will be able to make intelligent choices. Hiding the world from children does not keep them safe from it.

How many of these silly, sex negative people will scream about a teacher who did some porn, then take their tyke to go see the latest ultra violent superhero movie?

Our society has demonized beyond belief anything related to sex.

Would you support the lefties firing a teacher because he was an NRA member?

[Ron]

Fair enough.

My suspicion is more than a few here would come up with a reason for their child not to be allowed to attend VBS.

Would you support the lefties firing a teacher because he was an NRA member?

Like JJ I believe in at will employment. So as much as it sucks. That is also why I say get government out of running the schools, we need to balkanize the system not promote this stupid institutional group think of multiculturalism.

[Jamisjockey]

My concerns would revolve around what is being taught in that classroom right now. 
If we're going to drag the person's past into the arguement, why not thier religious beliefs? No muslim teachers? No hindu teachers?  No Democrat or Repbulican teachers?

[Fitz]

My concerns would revolve around what is being taught in that classroom right now. 
If we're going to drag the person's past into the arguement, why not thier religious beliefs? No muslim teachers? No hindu teachers?  No Democrat or Repbulican teachers?

This.

Was she a good teacher?

If no, fire her.

If yes, keep her. Simple as that. There are teachers that have all kinds of crap in their past. I've got all kinds of crap in my past. Current performance is what counts. I'd rather have a porn star teaching my kid than some of the mouthbreathing, collectivist brainwashers we currently have.

[AZRedhawk44]

The only real question that needs answering here, is...

where's the video, and is she hawt?  


I'm with Fitz and Jamis on this one.  It wasn't illegal.  Get over it.  But, with at-will employment, no job is 100% secure (as is proper).  If her ability to control a classroom or preserve respect from students is compromised, she's no longer an effective teacher.  Firing just for doing teh nekkids = bad.  Firing because teh nekkids makes you ineffective in education = ok.

[Monkeyleg]

I've been wrestling with this topic since it was first posted. I can see both points of view.

When I watch porn, I see some very nice-looking young women, and see their faces very clearly. I often wonder if they've considered what will happen down the road if a neighbor or relative or employer sees them in these porn movies, and what effect that may have on relationships with neighbors, family or employers. It's certainly something that should be thought through. God knows I'm still paying today for dumb decisions I made decades ago.

Having said that, if there's no moral clause in her contract, and the administration can't show that she's actually a distraction, then I don't know that they have a case. Much would depend upon the age of her students. If she's teaching 8 year-olds, her past isn't going to be as much of an issue as it would if she's teaching teens.

[zxcvbob]

The alleged distraction makes it harder to do her job.  That is the consequence of her action, but that should be all.  If she can still control her classroom and teach the students, that's all that matters.  If not, then fire her for poor performance. 
AFAIK, teachers are not at will employees, they have a contract.

[Fitz]

The alleged distraction makes it harder to do her job.  That is the consequence of her action, but that should be all.  If she can still control her classroom and teach the students, that's all that matters.  If not, then fire her for poor performance. 
AFAIK, teachers are not at will employees, they have a contract.

This.

It was a distraction because folks other than her MADE it that way. I see no evidence she couldn't control her classroom

[Tallpine]

I often wonder if they've considered what will happen down the road if a neighbor or relative or employer sees them in these porn movies, and what effect that may have on relationships with neighbors, family or employers.

There's a double standard in that possibilty 

(not necessarily from you, ML - you're just stating the obvious)

[makattak]

It was a distraction because folks other than her MADE it that way. I see no evidence she couldn't control her classroom

She provided the distraction. Unfortunately, there's no escaping one's past now that the internet is forever.

And those who found the distraction, according to the article, were the STUDENTS. I note everyone who is screaming about the libertarian sacrament of consequence-free sex positivism keeps claiming it was busybodies that were looking for ways to take her down and alerted the students to it.

As is generally the case in these situations (and those of you who attended public school should remember this) it was well-known by the students before the adults (parents and supervisors) were aware of it. Because that doesn't fit the libertarian boogeyman of FUNDIES TRYING TO IMPOSE CHRISTIAN SHARIA, you are ignoring the article.

Next, "You don't see evidence should couldn't control her classroom?" Strange, I also don't see any evidence she could. This is a news article, not a transcript of a court case. As noted before, I will believe those who are closest to the situation are best able to make informed decisions.

LASTLY, as has been pointed out many times, forgiveness doesn't remove consequences. You engage in an activity that will make teenage boys unable to think of you as anything but a sex object? I'm sorry, but I don't think you should be in a position of authority over children.

And yes, what teenage boys do IS important here because that's who she is dealing with.

But, of course, we need to ignore human nature so long as sex in involved. Because liberatarians are CERTAIN the only reason people treat sex any differently from any other activity is because they are pushing Jesus on people and have "hang-ups" about sex.

I'm not sure about the libertarians, but I'll publicly dance with my wife or play soccer or any number of other things. Not too keen about sex in public though. I guess I just have "hang-ups" about it. You libertarians, of course, have no such compunctions, though, right?

If, however, you do, why do YOU treat sex differently than playing volleyball?

[RevDisk]

When I watch porn, I see some very nice-looking young women, and see their faces very clearly. I often wonder if they've considered what will happen down the road if a neighbor or relative or employer sees them in these porn movies, and what effect that may have on relationships with neighbors, family or employers. It's certainly something that should be thought through. God knows I'm still paying today for dumb decisions I made decades ago.

I've been in the position where I've seen coworkers in ah...  performances. Folks, if possible, please sterilize your phone before giving it to IT to fix or replace. I don't care, as much as I am allowed not to care. It can be awkward personally, but I'm paid to be a professional. I give no indication of anything I've seen. No comments, no expressions and I certainly keep my personal opinions to myself if it is not part of my job.

Other thing I wonder. If it was a male teacher, would he be equally treated? If it was not straight sex, could the person sue for discrimination based on sexual orientation? Again, I'm a little lost on why the lady was fired if she was engaging in legal activity and her contract had no moral turpitude clause. I'm gathering this is a Harper Valley PTA thing (and the lady messed up by not having decent blackmail material like in the song), but there are legit points about distraction in the classroom. Not sure why they didn't offer to switch her to teaching younger kids. I don't imagine ANYONE could argue it's a distraction for K-6 ?

Because that doesn't fit the libertarian boogeyman of FUNDIES TRYING TO IMPOSE CHRISTIAN SHARIA, you are ignoring the article.

*blink* Uhm. This may or may not be offtopic, but I don't know if it counts as a "boogeyman" if it actually exists. My school board caused a ruckus by declaring that single parent and homosexual agendas "will never be tolerated or accepted in this school." Evolution, macro and micro, was quasi banned. There was some discussion on declaring that dinosaurs were atheist propaganda, but in fairness it didn't pass. I swear to the Gods, I am not making this up. I can provide links via PM if you're doubting.

The article is stating that she was fired for omitting a former job on her resume. I'm personally unsure if porn is W2 or Form 1099 work. Does one normally list 1099 work on a school resume?

[Perd Hapley]

Does anyone else notice which side is being calm about this, and which has resorted to name-calling and stereotypes? Prudes, Victorians, sex-negative, screaming about porn, etc?

And to earn such treatment, you don't even have to suggest that she should be fired. Just saying that it might be appropriate is enough.

[Fitz]

Oh come on... namecalling? 

[roo_ster]

That's awful Christian of you.
Whatever happened to forgiveness?  Jesus made friends with a prostitute for crying outloud.

The real issue here is at will employment.  Either you believe in the libertarian value of it or not.  I for one, do.  You do not have the right to a job.  Is this a BS reason to fire her?  I think so.  But the Roosters of the world will never let you forget your past if they don't agree with it.

Edit:  looks like I found a hole in the language filter

Pete: The Preacher said it absolved us.
Ulysses Everett McGill: For him, not for the law. I'm surprised at you, Pete, I gave you credit for more brains than Delmar.
Delmar O'Donnell: But they was witnesses that seen us redeemed.
Ulysses Everett McGill: That's not the issue Delmar. Even if that did put you square with the Lord, the State of Mississippi's a little more hard-nosed.

"Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid."
----John Wayne

This is a poor choice for Sex Positive Postergirl, what with her being a chowder head.  All she did was the sex-positive equivalent of "Hold my beer and watch this!" and then proceeded to do something profoundly ill-advised on video.  It may not be illegal to launch bottle rockets from one's buttocks, dive head-first into a ripe porta-potty, or number of other stupid human tricks; but it is also not illegal for folks to consider it disqualifying, employment-wise.

The best thing about such free & uninhibited self-expression is what is also best about free speech: it allows fools to self-label.

Oh come on... namecalling? 

Hey, its not just for politicians anymore at APS!  Of course, enforcement is spotty at best and awfully dependent on if the enforcer's ox is being gored.

Does anyone else notice which side is being calm about this, and which has resorted to name-calling and stereotypes? Prudes, Victorians, sex-negative, screaming about porn, etc?

And to earn such treatment, you don't even have to suggest that she should be fired. Just saying that it might be appropriate is enough.

"Shut up!" he explained.

[Fitz]

"Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid."
----John Wayne

This is a poor choice for Sex Positive Postergirl, what with her being a chowder head.  All she did was the sex-positive equivalent of "Hold my beer and watch this!" and then proceeded to do something profoundly ill-advised on video.  It may not be illegal to launch bottle rockets from one's buttocks, dive head-first into a ripe porta-potty, or number of other stupid human tricks; but it is also not illegal for folks to consider it disqualifying, employment-wise.

The best thing about such free & uninhibited self-expression is what is also best about free speech: it allows fools to self-label.



Hey, its not just for politicians anymore at APS!  Of course, enforcement is spotty at best and awfully dependent on if the enforcer's ox is being gored.


"Shut up!" he explained.

Sex is profoundly ill advised?

She had sex on video. She didn't do anything different than anyone else does. She just was on film doing it.

Sure, it's something most people don't videotape. Yes, it's kinda stupid. Big deal.



Were someone to make videos of them shooting machine guns, and then parents raise hell / teacher get fired over it, I'm sure many of the same folks here talking about this "chowderhead" would be up in arms.

 Also, no one is calling names, that i've seen. Which was the point of my comment to fistful

[Jamisjockey]

"Life is hard. It's even harder when you're stupid."
----John Wayne

This is a poor choice for Sex Positive Postergirl, what with her being a chowder head.  All she did was the sex-positive equivalent of "Hold my beer and watch this!" and then proceeded to do something profoundly ill-advised on video.  It may not be illegal to launch bottle rockets from one's buttocks, dive head-first into a ripe porta-potty, or number of other stupid human tricks; but it is also not illegal for folks to consider it disqualifying, employment-wise.

The best thing about such free & uninhibited self-expression is what is also best about free speech: it allows fools to self-label.



Hey, its not just for politicians anymore at APS!  Of course, enforcement is spotty at best and awfully dependent on if the enforcer's ox is being gored.


"Shut up!" he explained.

So no room in roosterville for forgiveness, eh?

You've never done something stupid I presume.

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

The word for the day is consequences.

[Fitz]

The word for the day is consequences.

As you should know, being a father, the positive effect of consequences diminish quickly with age.

Yes. they are the consequences of her actions. I submit they are stupid consequences

[cassandra and sara's daddy]

As you should know, being a father, the positive effect of consequences diminish quickly with age.

Yes. they are the consequences of her actions. I submit they are stupid consequences

if as some have fantasized busybodies had hunted her down yea. But since cruel.reality is that kids found the vids and brought it to schools attention she hada go. Folks pretending it wouldn't matter at a high school level are not in touch with reality.    If shes a good teacher and i suspect she is its a shame. And its her own darn.fault

[Tallpine]

teenage boys unable to think of you as anything but a sex object

Better fire all the women teachers under 50 

[roo_ster]

So no room in roosterville for forgiveness, eh?

You've never done something stupid I presume.

It quote Shepherd Book, "Coming from you...that means almost nothing."

Plus, you lack an understanding of the concept of forgiveness.  Let me make one point about it simple: I can not forgive her, as she did me no wrong.  So kindly quit asking folks who do understand the concept to forgive her.

Most of the stupid things I have done (in magnitude and quantity) were done on the orders of Uncle Sam.  The others hardly rate and I surely didn't sign a waiver allowing folks to market video of the event(s) far & wide.

The word for the day is consequences.

Yep, some folks wish there weren't any.

[Jamisjockey]

:rolleyes:

[BlueStarLizzard]

Why?

Because it shows she is a nitwit with awful judgment.  She did not have to be a puritan to see the likely difficulties in the future, she just needed an IQ above room temp.

Funny thing, "this victorian esque culture of prudishness" is one of the best indicators of success in America.  Even for left-liberals on the coasts.  They make make noise about tahl-erance and acceptance, but that is for show.  Look at the way they act and live their lives.   They exhibit discipline and self-control, (to include not flashing their posterior on video for the edification of posterity).  They live where others act similarly.  OTOH, lack of self discipline, impulse control, and planning for the future is a good way to end up trash: white, black, or brown trash. 

Trash is as trash does.  And in this instance, the trash got kicked to the curb.  Maybe she'll learn something.  Better yet, maybe other folks will learn something from her example.

So, porn stars are trash? No impulse control (that's actually REALLY REALLY funny if you think about is... Especially for the male porn stars) can't plan for the future, and lack of self disipline (also really funny)

I'm not sure I follow. She needed money (presumably to pay for stuff like school, housing, food) so she took a job that involved a skill set (and yes, there is a skill set involved, which you may or may not be aware of. If it's a no, I really pity you) that she had.

And again, would you feel diffrently if she was just a straight actress (no sex) but still "flashed her posterior for the world to see."?

[cosine]

This one's done.